FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 | SPAIN are new WORLD CHAMPIONS

[Mauro Pedrosa]

can someone explain this tournament process?

Isn’t it labeled an eliminator game but Serbia is or is not eliminated? What’s going on?

There are two group stages

When the tournament begins, teams are put in groups of 4. The first and second place make it to the following group stage (of also 4 teams)

That means Serbia might've lost today but they can still finish second and make it to the quarter-finals

[Slipkorn84]

Serbia here... Is Spain good enough for you that it should count when we win?

Spain is pretty good. That should count as a good win for you guys.

U know why it's better we lost... We now have to beat Argentina, probably USA in the semis and than win in the finals to win it all

So if we have won today, everybody would say we had the easiest path to the gold ever and similar

Keep being humble. That' s the path to get beaten by Argentina.

[stoo]

Spain is pretty good. That should count as a good win for you guys.

U know why it's better we lost... We now have to beat Argentina, probably USA in the semis and than win in the finals to win it all

So if we have won today, everybody would say we had the easiest path to the gold ever and similar

Keep being humble. That' s the path to get beaten by Argentina.

That's why I'm not

[SwatLakeCity527]

Are we pretending that this tournament will actually prove who is the best at basketball?

It's like people really believe that if they beat the US, they have the superior basketball nation.

Serbia just had a bad game, imo. Should be interesting to see the rest of the tournament.

[jinxed]

:lol:

Are we pretending that this tournament will actually prove who is the best at basketball?

It's like people really believe that if they beat the US, they have the superior basketball nation.

Serbia just had a bad game, imo. Should be interesting to see the rest of the tournament.

We all know the best American players aren't here...However, part of having a great national team is instilling a culture where your best players will have pride in playing for their country. If you can't get your very best players to show up to play..that's on you..that's part of the having the best basketball country.

Secondly, on a per capita basis, one could very well make the argument that Serbia is better than the US. If you picked a random selection of 7 million US citizens, and chose a team from that.. would they beat the Serbian team?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

We all know the best American players aren't here...However, part of having a great national team is instilling a culture where your best players will have pride in playing for their country. If you can't get your very best players to show up to play..that's on you..that's part of the having the best basketball country.

Secondly, on a per capita basis, one could very well make the argument that Serbia is better than the US. If you picked a random selection of 7 million US citizens, and chose a team from that.. would they beat the Serbian team?

Nobody really cares about per capita basis, either you are the best or you're not.

[bisme37]

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[stoo]

We all know the best American players aren't here...However, part of having a great national team is instilling a culture where your best players will have pride in playing for their country. If you can't get your very best players to show up to play..that's on you..that's part of the having the best basketball country.

Secondly, on a per capita basis, one could very well make the argument that Serbia is better than the US. If you picked a random selection of 7 million US citizens, and chose a team from that.. would they beat the Serbian team?

Nobody really cares about per capita basis, either you are the best or you're not.

That's right. And that is why there is a World Cup. So who wins is the best. Also, nobody cares about hypothetical teams that don't exist

[SwatLakeCity527]

:lol:

Are we pretending that this tournament will actually prove who is the best at basketball?

It's like people really believe that if they beat the US, they have the superior basketball nation.

Serbia just had a bad game, imo. Should be interesting to see the rest of the tournament.

We all know the best American players aren't here...However, part of having a great national team is instilling a culture where your best players will have pride in playing for their country. If you can't get your very best players to show up to play..that's on you..that's part of the having the best basketball country.

Secondly, on a per capita basis, one could very well make the argument that Serbia is better than the US. If you picked a random selection of 7 million US citizens, and chose a team from that.. would they beat the Serbian team?

First off: The best basketball country in the world IS the USA and everyone knows it.

There is nothing else to say.

[scrabbarista]

:lol:

Are we pretending that this tournament will actually prove who is the best at basketball?

It's like people really believe that if they beat the US, they have the superior basketball nation.

Serbia just had a bad game, imo. Should be interesting to see the rest of the tournament.

We all know the best American players aren't here...However, part of having a great national team is instilling a culture where your best players will have pride in playing for their country. If you can't get your very best players to show up to play..that's on you..that's part of the having the best basketball country.

Secondly, on a per capita basis, one could very well make the argument that Serbia is better than the US. If you picked a random selection of 7 million US citizens, and chose a team from that.. would they beat the Serbian team?

Totally agree with the first point, instilling a culture where your players want to play for their country is 100% relevant; but the per capita thing isn't really much of a thing. It may be true, but nobody much cares.

EDIT: Even in light of the first point, though, you do have to consider FIBA versus the Olympics. As is commonly stated, Americans value the Olympics far, far more, whereas that is apparently not true among many other nations.

In summary, if a non-US teams wins this tournament, it will be a significant step towards basketball supremacy, but you definitely won't be able to say the US has been unseated. They'd (or "we'd" - I'm American) have to also lose in 2020 for that discussion to even begin, in my opinion.

[peja_the_legend]

Secondly, on a per capita basis, one could very well make the argument that Serbia is better than the US. If you picked a random selection of 7 million US citizens, and chose a team from that.. would they beat the Serbian team?

Yes.Even on a per capita basis USA wins when their 500th to 600th best players go to European leagues and dominate

[jinxed]

Secondly, on a per capita basis, one could very well make the argument that Serbia is better than the US. If you picked a random selection of 7 million US citizens, and chose a team from that.. would they beat the Serbian team?

Yes.Even on a per capita basis USA wins when their 500th to 600th best players go to European leagues and dominate

The best european players don't play in the euroleague because they are too busy dominating the NBA.

If our 500-600 best players would dominate the best european players... Given that this USA team is made up, let's say their 10-25 best players, then they should easily win this tournament right?

[jinxed]

:lol:

Are we pretending that this tournament will actually prove who is the best at basketball?

It's like people really believe that if they beat the US, they have the superior basketball nation.

Serbia just had a bad game, imo. Should be interesting to see the rest of the tournament.

We all know the best American players aren't here...However, part of having a great national team is instilling a culture where your best players will have pride in playing for their country. If you can't get your very best players to show up to play..that's on you..that's part of the having the best basketball country.

Secondly, on a per capita basis, one could very well make the argument that Serbia is better than the US. If you picked a random selection of 7 million US citizens, and chose a team from that.. would they beat the Serbian team?

Totally agree with the first point, instilling a culture where your players want to play for their country is 100% relevant; but the per capita thing isn't really much of a thing. It may be true, but nobody much cares.

EDIT: Even in light of the first point, though, you do have to consider FIBA versus the Olympics. As is commonly stated, Americans value the Olympics far, far more, whereas that is apparently not true among many other nations.

In summary, if a non-US teams wins this tournament, it will be a significant step towards basketball supremacy, but you definitely won't be able to say the US has been unseated. They'd (or "we'd" - I'm American) have to also lose in 2020 for that discussion to even begin, in my opinion.

I agree, losing in the olympics will have a much bigger impact in the US then losing in the WC. Just as 2004 was much more relevant than losing in 2002.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Secondly, on a per capita basis, one could very well make the argument that Serbia is better than the US. If you picked a random selection of 7 million US citizens, and chose a team from that.. would they beat the Serbian team?

Yes.Even on a per capita basis USA wins when their 500th to 600th best players go to European leagues and dominate

The best european players don't play in the euroleague because they are too busy dominating the NBA.

If our 500-600 best players would dominate the best european players... Given that this USA team is made up, let's say their 10-25 best players, then they should easily win this tournament right?

Weren't you just talking about who is the best based on per capita, now you're talking about the best Europeans dominating the NBA, I would hope so since the population of Europe is more than 2x that of the United States.


Still the fact is that the best player in the NBA this season was Kawhi, who dominated the European born MVP.

[peja_the_legend]

The best european players don't play in the euroleague because they are too busy dominating the NBA.

If our 500-600 best players would dominate the best european players... Given that this USA team is made up, let's say their 10-25 best players, then they should easily win this tournament right?

I'm not talking about euroleague but europeans domestic leagues in general.Take for example Italian league or German or any european league actually.You'll find more americans playing in italian league than italians.And those americans are what,the 700-800th best players of the country.You argued that Serbia produces more bball players per capita but seeing all those hundrends of americans playing in proffessional leagues worldwide and being so good almost every national team naturalises one of them,i seriously question how true your claim is.

[davidfr94]

Serbia is obviously a bit overrated but using jokic as a four is just stupid.
Serbia's coach was totally outcoached today and by a large margin.
Jokic ejection was somehow a blessing in disguise because they were getting abused with him and milutinov on the floor together. First start him and start focusing on that pick and roll / pick and pop with jokic and bogdanovic.

But overall i think France is the most dangerous team. Fournier/de colo/batum/gobert is tough and has star power.
Our coach suck though.

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[TheNG]

Yes.Even on a per capita basis USA wins when their 500th to 600th best players go to European leagues and dominate

The best european players don't play in the euroleague because they are too busy dominating the NBA.

If our 500-600 best players would dominate the best european players... Given that this USA team is made up, let's say their 10-25 best players, then they should easily win this tournament right?

Weren't you just talking about who is the best based on per capita, now you're talking about the best Europeans dominating the NBA, I would hope so since the population of Europe is more than 2x that of the United States.


Still the fact is that the best player in the NBA this season was Kawhi, who dominated the European born MVP.

Imagine the mighty Virgin Islands with one "Tim Duncan" per 150,000 people, that's an amazing "per capita" talent they have...
It's like if the Chinese team had 10,000 "Tim Duncans"

[rale93lfc]

Serbia is obviously a bit overrated but using jokic as a four is just stupid.
Serbia's coach was totally outcoached today and by a large margin.
Jokic ejection was somehow a blessing in disguise because they were getting abused with him and milutinov on the floor together. First start him and start focusing on that pick and roll / pick and pop with jokic and bogdanovic.

But overall i think France is the most dangerous team. Fournier/de colo/batum/gobert is tough and has star power.
Our coach suck though.

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Agree. Spain made big 7-0 run with Boaban, Jokic and Bjelica at SF. It was ridiculus linup. Then, when Jokic got ejected we actually started playing better because Bogdan was at SF. We must use pick and roll with Bogdan and Jokic more.
Djordjevic is smart coach, I think he will see where he made mistakes. At last championships we always lost at group phase but menaged to play our best basketball in knockout stage. I see that lot of people here are happy that Serbia lost, but we are not done yet.

France got really strong team, will be really interested match tomorrow vs Australia, and whoever loses I think they have some chance vs USA in 1/4f.

[UcanUwill]

:lol:

Are we pretending that this tournament will actually prove who is the best at basketball?

It's like people really believe that if they beat the US, they have the superior basketball nation.

Serbia just had a bad game, imo. Should be interesting to see the rest of the tournament.

We all know the best American players aren't here...However, part of having a great national team is instilling a culture where your best players will have pride in playing for their country. If you can't get your very best players to show up to play..that's on you..that's part of the having the best basketball country.

Secondly, on a per capita basis, one could very well make the argument that Serbia is better than the US. If you picked a random selection of 7 million US citizens, and chose a team from that.. would they beat the Serbian team?

First off: The best basketball country in the world IS the USA and everyone knows it.

There is nothing else to say.

What a way to talk down something people love. We know Slovenia isnt best Euro team, but they are European champions and thats a fact. There will be only one world champion, the one that wins this and thats also a fact.

[limbo]

I don't think there's much difference in level between France and Australia, but it's hard to know since aside from Lithuania, both teams haven't played anyone good. Germany almost beat France when they trailed by an insane amount of points in the 1st quarter. So it should be a close game. If i'm the US i'd probably prefer France. They're tougher defensively but inconsistent on offense.