One of the weakest Hall of Fame classes ever

[Tiny ball]

I agree with this bolded statement. What you just cannot seem to understand is that the Women's committee is charged with selecting "all-time greatness" even though they never played a minute in the NBA. The International committee is charged with selecting "all-time greatness" among international players, irrespective of how they did in the NBA. If Divac is widely considered an "all-time great" in international play - not for his NBA play - then his selection would be consistent with your colloquial understanding of a Hall of Fame. If you believe Divac was not an all-time great in international play - again, not his NBA play since that is NOT what the International committee is looking at - then he would be a poor selection. Given that numerous basketball people have acknowledged him as one of the greatest international players ever, that would be more an indication of the former and not the latter.

This thread is about whether this is one of the weakest classes ever. I've already posted my opinion on that earlier in this thread. But if we can acknowledge that the International and Women's Committees have a different focus than the North American Committee, which even you seem to acknowledge even if you don't like it, then for those looking at NBA performance only this really should be about the selections of the North American Committee. Divac does not fall into that discussion since he was not selected by the North American Screening Committee.

Read the following sentence slowly so it'll soak in: I understand the HOF committee structure and their respective criteria, and I do not care.

Go back to OP's post. The topic is this year's inductees, regardless of who chose them. The problem that I and millions of fans worldwide have with this system is that there are players chosen for being exceptional performers (Jordan, Bird, Magic) and players chosen for simply being the most noteworthy turds in their respective foreign toilet (Divac).

If all of these players are going to be a part of one club (HOF), then there needs to be one committee with one gold set of standards by which to judge. Let me know and we can keep going over this.

That's a pretty funny statement considering literally half the players in the HOF are white Americans who would have no success were it not for brutal racism. You should know that, a good number of them are Celtics.

Lots of black boxers were never really world champions. Like half the world was not involved. There would be lots and lots more whites in the hall of fame if the other half of the world would have been playing basketball back in the day.

[Sabas11]

Read the following sentence slowly so it'll soak in: I understand the HOF committee structure and their respective criteria, and I do not care.

Go back to OP's post. The topic is this year's inductees, regardless of who chose them. The problem that I and millions of fans worldwide have with this system is that there are players chosen for being exceptional performers (Jordan, Bird, Magic) and players chosen for simply being the most noteworthy turds in their respective foreign toilet (Divac).

If all of these players are going to be a part of one club (HOF), then there needs to be one committee with one gold set of standards by which to judge. Let me know and we can keep going over this.

That's a pretty funny statement considering literally half the players in the HOF are white Americans who would have no success were it not for brutal racism. You should know that, a good number of them are Celtics.

Lots of black boxers were never really world champions. Like half the world was not involved. There would be lots and lots more whites in the hall of fame if the other half of the world would have been playing basketball back in the day.

Are you saying we're missing out on more Dick McGuires and their career averages of 8ppg and 38% in the HOF? Tell me more!

[Tiny ball]

That's a pretty funny statement considering literally half the players in the HOF are white Americans who would have no success were it not for brutal racism. You should know that, a good number of them are Celtics.

Lots of black boxers were never really world champions. Like half the world was not involved. There would be lots and lots more whites in the hall of fame if the other half of the world would have been playing basketball back in the day.

Are you saying we're missing out on more Dick McGuires and their career averages of 8ppg and 38% in the HOF? Tell me more!

No more Dirks McHales and Larry Birds.

[Clyde Frazier]

Oh no.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Bill Laimbeer as well. This omission is low-key one of the biggest scandals in NBA history imo.

The fact that Vlade's in the HOF and Laimbeer and Big Ben are not is a damn travesty.

It's not as big of a travesty as Sharunas Marciulionis being in the HOF over teammate Tim Hardaway. At least Vlade Divac was a good player. Marciulionis was one step above garbage in the NBA.

Again. This is the Basketball Hall of Fame not the NBA Hall of Fame. Sarunas has a very big International resume including League MVP of eurobasket. He also won a gold medal at the 88 Olympics with the Soviet team and lead Lithuania to bronze medals in 92 and 96. Not to mention he was the first Soviet Bloc player to play in the NBA... Knocking down all barriers. He 100% belongs in the BASKETBALL Hall of Fame. None of this has any bearing on Tim hardaway's career.

Marciulionis definitely was not garbage, he just had injury issues.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Paul Westphal had a very short peak, but in those four years he had 3 All NBA 1st team selections.
I think he was the only eligible 3+ times all NBA 1st teamer not in the HOF.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Is Kobe eligible for next year

I think so, I believe you have to be retired for 4 seasons.

Next years will be an all timer with Kobe/Duncan/KG...

Who are they going to ask to introduce them in?
My guess:
- Timmeh --> Robinson
- Garnett --> Karl Malone
- Kobe --> should be Jerry West, but he might be crazy enough to ask jordon...

[ropjhk]

Years like this is when older players who weren't first ballot worthy make the HOF.

[ropjhk]

I think so, I believe you have to be retired for 4 seasons.

Next years will be an all timer with Kobe/Duncan/KG...

Who are they going to ask to introduce them in?
My guess:
- Timmeh --> Robinson
- Garnett --> Karl Malone
- Kobe --> should be Jerry West, but he might be crazy enough to ask jordon...

Probably not a good idea for Garnett to associate himself with Malone here.

Is Garnett on good terms with McHale? Seems like a decent choice for him considering their history together.

Kobe will probably get Magic to induct him, but Jordan would be a very interesting choice.

[000078ude54]

I agree with this bolded statement. What you just cannot seem to understand is that the Women's committee is charged with selecting "all-time greatness" even though they never played a minute in the NBA. The International committee is charged with selecting "all-time greatness" among international players, irrespective of how they did in the NBA. If Divac is widely considered an "all-time great" in international play - not for his NBA play - then his selection would be consistent with your colloquial understanding of a Hall of Fame. If you believe Divac was not an all-time great in international play - again, not his NBA play since that is NOT what the International committee is looking at - then he would be a poor selection. Given that numerous basketball people have acknowledged him as one of the greatest international players ever, that would be more an indication of the former and not the latter.

This thread is about whether this is one of the weakest classes ever. I've already posted my opinion on that earlier in this thread. But if we can acknowledge that the International and Women's Committees have a different focus than the North American Committee, which even you seem to acknowledge even if you don't like it, then for those looking at NBA performance only this really should be about the selections of the North American Committee. Divac does not fall into that discussion since he was not selected by the North American Screening Committee.

Read the following sentence slowly so it'll soak in: I understand the HOF committee structure and their respective criteria, and I do not care.

Go back to OP's post. The topic is this year's inductees, regardless of who chose them. The problem that I and millions of fans worldwide have with this system is that there are players chosen for being exceptional performers (Jordan, Bird, Magic) and players chosen for simply being the most noteworthy turds in their respective foreign toilet (Divac).

If all of these players are going to be a part of one club (HOF), then there needs to be one committee with one gold set of standards by which to judge. Let me know and we can keep going over this.

No need to continue this. No matter how slowly you read what I post, it is clear you do not understand. We can move on.

I've repeatedly stated that I 100% fully totally completely outstandingly understand the committee structure, and that how the committees decide is irrelevant to the thread. On your lunch break, head into the center of town and ask 5 people who look like basketball fans if Vlade Divac is a hall of fame-worthy player. All 5 will say no. And that, for the final time, is the whole sentiment of this thread. You're a great example of how RealGM has devolved into a den of inane, contrarian halfwits who only want to soothe their inferiority complexes. Good luck and take care.

[Perishable517]

I am so very glad that basketball does not make selections like baseball. It's a celebration of basketball and each year people complain about how the selections stack up to previous selections.

Well, the selections are usually the very best in their time. Basketball, you cannot, nor should not, compare eras.

[Samurai]

I've repeatedly stated that I 100% fully totally completely outstandingly understand the committee structure, and that how the committees decide is irrelevant to the thread. On your lunch break, head into the center of town and ask 5 people who look like basketball fans if Vlade Divac is a hall of fame-worthy player. All 5 will say no. And that, for the final time, is the whole sentiment of this thread. You're a great example of how RealGM has devolved into a den of inane, contrarian halfwits who only want to soothe their inferiority complexes. Good luck and take care.

Typical of the grade school posters that resort to name-calling if they cannot use facts to support an agenda. And I don't get a lunch break or recess as a retired dude! Long past the grade school days.

We can agree to disagree without the childish name-calling. I've only been inducted into one hall of fame in my life and my guess is it will be the same for you; very few ever are voted into more than one. And while I can readily admit that I think I am the worst member of my hall, I would certainly bristle at anyone else who would say the same without understanding the criteria for selection. You can and obviously do disagree with the Naismith criteria, but that criteria makes sense unless and until someone - maybe you - creates a NBA hall of fame.