The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread

[MaseInYourFace]

Patty can get buckets. Frank probably to big to be chasing him around screens. Nice to see the little scoring outburst tho

Hmmm interesting. That’s supposed to be an area of strength for Frank. It’s just one game and matchup but if long term frank can’t guard smaller quicker guards that doesn’t bode well for him because it really limits how you can use him in the nba.

Mills is a special type of player, with a non stop motor travelling all around the floor. Its hard to follow him everywhere even for the best defenders.
Nowadays, PG are taller and it fits Frank's D. Also in FIBA Mills polarizes the attention and everybody play for him! you dont have a PG with Mills' size and his type of game being a go to guy in the League.
Still worried ?

Lol there are actually way better players than Patty Mills at guard in the nba. He’s middle of the pack honestly.

[Deeeez Knicks]

The most polarizing player for our fanbase is..... our 12th man

Always has to be someone. I get it, but I also don’t get it.

To me it just seems like the obvious path forward would be to let Frank get some extended consistent minutes over the course of some time at G and see if he can get better. He is the type that needs experience. There are some improvements that Frank could easily make where he could become a productive player. Or maybe not. Nobody knows for sure. The only way to find out is to play him and wait and see. There is nothing to lose, and something to gain.

I don’t agree with the “play the best players” argument in all cases. Either way we will stink. I would prioritize developing young players who could potentially be here long term on the court, like Frank, Knox, Trier, DSJ, Mitch, etc.

[NYKnickerbocker]

Hmmm interesting. That’s supposed to be an area of strength for Frank. It’s just one game and matchup but if long term frank can’t guard smaller quicker guards that doesn’t bode well for him because it really limits how you can use him in the nba.

Mills is a special type of player, with a non stop motor travelling all around the floor. Its hard to follow him everywhere even for the best defenders.
Nowadays, PG are taller and it fits Frank's D. Also in FIBA Mills polarizes the attention and everybody play for him! you dont have a PG with Mills' size and his type of game being a go to guy in the League.
Still worried ?

Lol there are actually way better players than Patty Mills at guard in the nba. He’s middle of the pack honestly.

and we’ve seen frank frustrate and do a good job on a lot of those tougher guards in the Lg. Probably just this particular matchup wasnt good for him

[remi_222]

Mills is a special type of player, with a non stop motor travelling all around the floor. Its hard to follow him everywhere even for the best defenders.
Nowadays, PG are taller and it fits Frank's D. Also in FIBA Mills polarizes the attention and everybody play for him! you dont have a PG with Mills' size and his type of game being a go to guy in the League.
Still worried ?

Lol there are actually way better players than Patty Mills at guard in the nba. He’s middle of the pack honestly.

and we’ve seen frank frustrate and do a good job on a lot of those tougher guards in the Lg. Probably just this particular matchup wasnt good for him

Not saying he's the best, i'm saying with his size and his way of playing dribbling around everywhere very fast, and very good shooter he's among this category one of the best in the world, which is why its hard to defend on him

[god shammgod]

The most polarizing player for our fanbase is..... our 12th man

Always has to be someone. I get it, but I also don’t get it.

To me it just seems like the obvious path forward would be to let Frank get some extended consistent minutes over the course of some time at G and see if he can get better. He is the type that needs experience. There are some improvements that Frank could easily make where he could become a productive player. Or maybe not. Nobody knows for sure. The only way to find out is to play him and wait and see. There is nothing to lose, and something to gain.

I don’t agree with the “play the best players” argument in all cases. Either way we will stink. I would prioritize developing young players who could potentially be here long term on the court, like Frank, Knox, Trier, DSJ, Mitch, etc.

i agree with this. but once they got payton that was obviously not the plan. he's the 3rd pg. his minutes will be sparse again unless someone gets hurt.
and it's even worse if the play him as a wing, they have - rj, morris, knox, trier, dot, ellington, bullock, iggy. is he even 3rd string there ? i don't think so.

[remi_222]

The most polarizing player for our fanbase is..... our 12th man

Always has to be someone. I get it, but I also don’t get it.

To me it just seems like the obvious path forward would be to let Frank get some extended consistent minutes over the course of some time at G and see if he can get better. He is the type that needs experience. There are some improvements that Frank could easily make where he could become a productive player. Or maybe not. Nobody knows for sure. The only way to find out is to play him and wait and see. There is nothing to lose, and something to gain.

I don’t agree with the “play the best players” argument in all cases. Either way we will stink. I would prioritize developing young players who could potentially be here long term on the court, like Frank, Knox, Trier, DSJ, Mitch, etc.

i agree with this. but once they got payton that was obviously not the plan. he's the 3rd pg. his minutes will be sparse again unless someone gets hurt.
and it's even worse if the play him as a wing, they have - rj, morris, knox, trier, dot, ellington, bullock, iggy. is he even 3rd string there ? i don't think so.

His best angle is Defense, none of other players can be as good as him

[3toheadmelo]

Frank has a big game against USA on Wednesday. Hope he balls out

[god shammgod]

Always has to be someone. I get it, but I also don’t get it.

To me it just seems like the obvious path forward would be to let Frank get some extended consistent minutes over the course of some time at G and see if he can get better. He is the type that needs experience. There are some improvements that Frank could easily make where he could become a productive player. Or maybe not. Nobody knows for sure. The only way to find out is to play him and wait and see. There is nothing to lose, and something to gain.

I don’t agree with the “play the best players” argument in all cases. Either way we will stink. I would prioritize developing young players who could potentially be here long term on the court, like Frank, Knox, Trier, DSJ, Mitch, etc.

i agree with this. but once they got payton that was obviously not the plan. he's the 3rd pg. his minutes will be sparse again unless someone gets hurt.
and it's even worse if the play him as a wing, they have - rj, morris, knox, trier, dot, ellington, bullock, iggy. is he even 3rd string there ? i don't think so.

His best angle is Defense, none of other players can be as good as him

i agree. but the question is, is his defense so good that it makes up for his terrible offense ?

i posted an article earlier that said when frank defends the opposition they shoot 3 percent less (that was his rookie year by the way, i don't think it was as good last year). but his efg was the worst in the entire league for the last 2 years. he also scored the least amount of points, along with another player, for someone who played over 2500 minutes. which means he probably is passing up good shots which hurts an offense almost as much as missing.

so does 3 percent less on an opponent's defense make up for the worst offensive player in the league ? it would seem not mathematically. but i still personally would have gave him the backup point guard job this year because why not ? you drafted him high, let him sink or swim. but they didn't. and there really shouldn't be any outrage over him not playing much. he really hasn't shown that he deserves it.

[Deeeez Knicks]

The most polarizing player for our fanbase is..... our 12th man

Always has to be someone. I get it, but I also don’t get it.

To me it just seems like the obvious path forward would be to let Frank get some extended consistent minutes over the course of some time at G and see if he can get better. He is the type that needs experience. There are some improvements that Frank could easily make where he could become a productive player. Or maybe not. Nobody knows for sure. The only way to find out is to play him and wait and see. There is nothing to lose, and something to gain.

I don’t agree with the “play the best players” argument in all cases. Either way we will stink. I would prioritize developing young players who could potentially be here long term on the court, like Frank, Knox, Trier, DSJ, Mitch, etc.

i agree with this. but once they got payton that was obviously not the plan. he's the 3rd pg. his minutes will be sparse again unless someone gets hurt.
and it's even worse if the play him as a wing, they have - rj, morris, knox, trier, dot, ellington, bullock, iggy. is he even 3rd string there ? i don't think so.

Yeah, it def seems like he is the odd man out and not in their plans. Its hard to see how he will get the minutes here. I don't agree with it or that we signed so many vets, but yeah it looks like Frank will probably need a change of scenery.

[Deeeez Knicks]

i agree with this. but once they got payton that was obviously not the plan. he's the 3rd pg. his minutes will be sparse again unless someone gets hurt.
and it's even worse if the play him as a wing, they have - rj, morris, knox, trier, dot, ellington, bullock, iggy. is he even 3rd string there ? i don't think so.

His best angle is Defense, none of other players can be as good as him

i agree. but the question is, is his defense so good that it makes up for his terrible offense ?

i posted an article earlier that said when frank defends the opposition they shoot 3 percent less (that was his rookie year by the way, i don't think it was as good last year). but his efg was the worst in the entire league for the last 2 years. he also scored the least amount of points, along with another player, for someone who played over 2500 minutes. which means he probably is passing up good shots which hurts an offense almost as much as missing.

so does 3 percent less on an opponent's defense make up for the worst offensive player in the league ? it would seem not mathematically. but i still personally would have gave him the backup point guard job this year because why not ? you drafted him high, let him sink or swim. but they didn't. and there really shouldn't be any outrage over him not playing much. he really hasn't shown that he deserves it.

Frank’s defense does not make up for his offense as of now, but then when we look back at the other backcourt options and they were all pretty much net negatives. Timmy/Mudiay/Burke were disasters on both ends of the floor. Fiz tried to go with some offense first lineups and we were still the worst team in the league in offensive efficiency. The offensive players were not even good on offense. When he went with more defense, the lineups did better. Still bad on offense, but at least better on defense.

The common sense thing is to try to balance out the lineups a bit when you dont have great players. Find the right balance of offense/defense and try to find lineups that fit. Not that it would make a huge difference, but its better to have some balance. With so many offensive first guards that are bad on defense Frank's positive could help.

Looking towards this year…DSJ/RJ/Trier/Payton…none are really good defenders. If we want to find better balance it makes sense to work Frank in somehow. Plus he does have more room for growth. Based on last season and our actions in the offseason Fiz will probably mostly ignore defense again.

[thebuzzardman]

I used to feel kind of bad for myself and other Knick fans, about how terrible the Knicks have been for so long. Then I spend a little time reading on this forum and I say to myself "It's exactly what I/they deserve"

[robillionaire]

The most polarizing player for our fanbase is..... our 12th man

yeah. but also he's the only one actually playing right now and we are getting thirsty to watch basketball so it's something to discuss

[god shammgod]

I used to feel kind of bad for myself and other Knick fans, about how terrible the Knicks have been for so long. Then I spend a little time reading on this forum and I say to myself "It's exactly what I/they deserve"

this is true, but also applies to everybody else who's not specifically a fan of the knicks and some of them have good teams.

[taj2133]

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[god shammgod]

this guy seems a little unhinged

[2010]

Patty can get buckets. Frank probably to big to be chasing him around screens. Nice to see the little scoring outburst tho

I'm used to it on offense but now people making excuses for Frank ON DEFENSE?

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

His size on defense has always been touted as a strength, not a weakness. Which is why almost everyone has suggested he should play PG and guard the opposing point to disrupt the other team's offense.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

This snobby abstract apologetic way of evaluating Frank is my new least favorite thing here. If dude scores two points it’s like most of us are too dumb to appreciate Frank’s greatness. Man FOH.

Especially French Pod guy.

[2010]

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Dude is mad annoying. Stop posting him.

[2010]

At this point I feel pretty confident concluding Frank is type garbino.