California passes law to allow student-athletes to make money off endorsements

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Re: California passes law to allow student-athletes to make money off endorsements 

Post#21 » by RCM88x » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:15 pm

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Did you read the comments section in that link? People seem to hate the idea of players making money while in college. SMH


I think people hate the idea of California taking matters into their own hands, and then Lebron and Bernie Sanders cheering them on.
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Re: California passes law to allow student-athletes to make money off endorsements 

Post#22 » by Seiklis » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:29 pm

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Did you read the comments section in that link? People seem to hate the idea of players making money while in college. SMH


I think people hate the idea of California taking matters into their own hands, and then Lebron and Bernie Sanders cheering them on.


Yup the good ole "States rights unless I disagree" approach.

Good move by California. If the law makes it to the deadline the NCAA will fold like a desk of cards to change their rules to match. It's getting to 2023 without a repeal that'll be the issue
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Post#24 » by mademan » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:35 pm

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Did you read the comments section in that link? People seem to hate the idea of players making money while in college. SMH


Every other comment is 'libtards' and 'communist'. You'd think people who believe in the free market would like this move
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Post#25 » by chitownsports4ever » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:36 pm

INKtastic wrote:The NCAA and their crazy threats.

Like they're really going to have march madness without any California teams. Especially when most of the top recruits will pick California schools.

What states are going to sit around and see all of the best recruits go to California school without passing similar laws.

It shouldn't have taken a new law to make this happen, the NCAA should have made the change years ago.



The law apparently stops schools from revoking scholarships but all that would happen would be schools self reporting the violation and the team being immediately ruled ineligible for championships while having to still keep these paid endorsers on scholarship.

So now you are a freshman who takes 10k in endorsement money is is deemed permanently ineligible by the ncaa and the school cant revoke your scholly so you can stay on campus and go to class while waiting to become draft eligible for the NFL. What will happen to the endorsement money when you cant see the field again in college ? Meanwhile you are still holding up a scholarship so if multiple players take money sou only have so many scholarships to offer and that will affect recruiting .

For basketball players I dont see the point for the top players when you now can go pro after HS and if you stay one year thats 6-8 months . I think most of the top bball players who will go to college will go for the experience and the tournament not endorsement money and as for football most of the high level recruits are not going there now as its not a path to the pros oh you will get a few to sign for some quick money and local notoriety.

I dont think we will see the law go into affect for another 3-4 years and by then the ncaa will have made the changes on their own
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Post#26 » by OdomFan » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:41 pm

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Post#27 » by Pointgod » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:42 pm

zimpy27 wrote:


Did you read the comments section in that link? People seem to hate the idea of players making money while in college. SMH


To be fair, the collective IQ of the yahoo comments section is in the single digits. They make your average realgm poster look like a Rhodes scholar.
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Post#28 » by RCM88x » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:43 pm

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zimpy27 wrote:
Did you read the comments section in that link? People seem to hate the idea of players making money while in college. SMH


I think people hate the idea of California taking matters into their own hands, and then Lebron and Bernie Sanders cheering them on.


Yup the good ole "States rights unless I disagree" approach.

Good move by California. If the law makes it to the deadline the NCAA will fold like a desk of cards to change their rules to match. It's getting to 2023 without a repeal that'll be the issue


More like the "screw California" approach. If any other state did this everyone would probably be for it, but considering their recent errr... blunders in college sports people are going to attribute this to "sore-loser" ism or something.
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Re: California passes law to allow student-athletes to make money off endorsements 

Post#29 » by WestGOAT » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:00 pm

Seiklis wrote:
RCM88x wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Did you read the comments section in that link? People seem to hate the idea of players making money while in college. SMH


I think people hate the idea of California taking matters into their own hands, and then Lebron and Bernie Sanders cheering them on.


Yup the good ole "States rights unless I disagree" approach.

Good move by California. If the law makes it to the deadline the NCAA will fold like a desk of cards to change their rules to match. It's getting to 2023 without a repeal that'll be the issue


Exactly my thoughts. It's probably even the case of "States rights unless minorities benefit".

I don't think it's a coincidence that some people don't want to see student-athletes — with many of the elite being a minority — being able to financially profit from their skills/labor. It's always about keeping things like it always has been, because it's simply "tradition" or "unpractical".
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Post#30 » by DaddyCool19 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:06 pm

How many 4 and 5 * recruits would choose the G League, if every G League team got 1 elite prospect contract to give (which is worth 125k)?
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Post#31 » by snaquille oatmeal » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:15 pm

Mikistan wrote:Wait, you need a law to make something Legal?

I thought the laws were to make things illegal...

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Post#32 » by Johnny Bball » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:18 pm

Gun to the head of the NCAA. Either they change the rule nationally now or every high school student will be lining up to play only in California and tilt the balance 180 degrees, right?

Threats about excluding California colleges from Bowl Games and the Tournament is just 100% cutting their nose of to spite their face and won't happen. Other states will follow this and the NCAA is ****. Looks good on them.
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Post#33 » by levon » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:22 pm

mademan wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:


Did you read the comments section in that link? People seem to hate the idea of players making money while in college. SMH


Every other comment is 'libtards' and 'communist'. You'd think people who believe in the free market would like this move

The irony of calling this move "communist" is just incredible. The education system has been failing us for generations
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Post#34 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:46 pm

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Mikistan wrote:Wait, you need a law to make something Legal?

I thought the laws were to make things illegal...

Laws are set to state policy. Internal policies (company, school, etc) apply unless they conflict with a law.


Right. It's illegal for organizations to have certain kinds of policies, or for contracts to contain certain types of provisions.

Illegal policies sometimes are enforced, so there can be court or administrative actions to unwind their consequences, award damages, etc. Illegal contract provisions theoretically can't be enforced, so usually it's as if they weren't there, but sometimes enforcement attempts lead to compensation as well.
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Post#35 » by clyde21 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:52 pm

zimpy27 wrote:


Did you read the comments section in that link? People seem to hate the idea of players making money while in college. SMH


i've learned a long time ago to never, ever, ever open a yahoo comments section.
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Post#36 » by clyde21 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:54 pm

mademan wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:


Did you read the comments section in that link? People seem to hate the idea of players making money while in college. SMH


Every other comment is 'libtards' and 'communist'. You'd think people who believe in the free market would like this move


you're assuming these people are actually educated beyond repeating the same stupid talking points over and over again tho

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Post#37 » by celtics543 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:56 pm

This makes sense. If you're on a scholarship for any other reason then you're eligible to market yourself, why should athletics be different. If I go to school on a band scholarship I'm allowed to be in a band that plays gigs at bars and restaurants while I'm competing in the marching band. If I'm on an academic scholarship I can still tutor or substitute teach in the summer even though I might be competing in things like the science bowl. I'm not sure why it's ever been illegal for an athlete to market themselves on their own time when literally no other scholarship has the same stipulations.

Good for California, hopefully this starts the tear down of the NCAA.
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DaddyCool19 wrote:How many 4 and 5 * recruits would choose the G League, if every G League team got 1 elite prospect contract to give (which is worth 125k)?


every single one of them.
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Post#39 » by RCM88x » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:04 pm

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RCM88x wrote:
I think people hate the idea of California taking matters into their own hands, and then Lebron and Bernie Sanders cheering them on.


Yup the good ole "States rights unless I disagree" approach.

Good move by California. If the law makes it to the deadline the NCAA will fold like a desk of cards to change their rules to match. It's getting to 2023 without a repeal that'll be the issue


Exactly my thoughts. It's probably even the case of "States rights unless minorities benefit".

I don't think it's a coincidence that some people don't want to see student-athletes — with many of the elite being a minority — being able to financially profit from their skills/labor. It's always about keeping things like it always has been, because it's simply "tradition" or "unpractical".


Eh, I don't know if the majority of people really think that.

You have to remember most big sports colleges are located in small towns, or atleast not in big media markets. Tuscaloosa, Clemson, Lexington, Ann Arbor, Lincoln, Norman, College Station etc... Sure you have schools in Columbus, Miami, Austin, Raleigh-Durahm, but those aren't LA or NYC.

People are gonna feel like this is a rich-get richer thing, especially when its headed by California. College sports are really the only thing these areas have in terms of high level athletics, and if they feel its being taken away from them by the big cities of California... then there is going to be resentment. Especially when guys like Lebron and Sanders are commenting on it, which makes it into more of a political issue than a sports issue, which is something a lot of people don't like. Not because of the political nature of it, minoritys or whatever, but simply because its a political issue now.

Which is why I specifically phrased this as a California thing. If a state like North Carolina, Illinois, or even Florida pushed for something like this, I bet people would be all for it.
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Post#40 » by clyde21 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:08 pm

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Yup the good ole "States rights unless I disagree" approach.

Good move by California. If the law makes it to the deadline the NCAA will fold like a desk of cards to change their rules to match. It's getting to 2023 without a repeal that'll be the issue


Exactly my thoughts. It's probably even the case of "States rights unless minorities benefit".

I don't think it's a coincidence that some people don't want to see student-athletes — with many of the elite being a minority — being able to financially profit from their skills/labor. It's always about keeping things like it always has been, because it's simply "tradition" or "unpractical".


Eh, I don't know if the majority of people really think that.

You have to remember most big sports colleges are located in small towns, or atleast not in big media markets. Tuscaloosa, Clemson, Lexington, Ann Arbor, Lincoln, Norman, College Station etc... Sure you have schools in Columbus, Miami, Austin, Raleigh-Durahm, but those aren't LA or NYC.

People are gonna feel like this is a rich-get richer thing, especially when its headed by California. College sports are really the only thing these areas have in terms of high level athletics, and if they feel its being taken away from them by the big cities of California... then there is going to be resentment. Especially when guys like Lebron and Sanders are commenting on it, which makes it into more of a political issue than a sports issue, which is something a lot of people don't like. Not because of the political nature of it, minoritys or whatever, but simply because its a political issue now.

Which is why I specifically phrased this as a California thing. If a state like North Carolina, Illinois, or even Florida pushed for something like this, I bet people would be all for it.


then they should follow suit and allow the NCAA players to make cash off their names...how much money did Baker Mayfield generate for Oklahoma? didn't get a single penny out of it. this is an archaic system and the pieces of **** that have been leveraging these kids for decades are just lucky they're not being thrown in prison.
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