California passes law to allow student-athletes to make money off endorsements

[SK21209]

Can’t believe I actually agree with the CA legislature for once. They shouldn’t have a salary but making money from your one likeness is a no brainer compromise.

[Pelon chingon]

Don't believe for a second that CA is doing this for any reason other than taxable income.

[Nazrmohamed]

Good. To me this shouldve been the answer all along. Schools shouldnt ever pay student athletes however if a student athlete based on his own greatness is deemed marketable by forces outside of the schools control then why shouldn't they be able to support themselves and families based off thier own marketability?

[xdrta+]

There's a more in-depth piece on the subject in the New York Times, which mentions that Washington and Colorado have similar bills in the works, and that Mark Walker, Republican of North Carolina, introduced a federal bill this year that would allow college athletes to be compensated for the use of their name, image and likeness.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/sports/college-athlete-pay-california.html

[clyde21]

Good. To me this shouldve been the answer all along. Schools shouldnt ever pay student athletes however if a student athlete based on his own greatness is deemed marketable by forces outside of the schools control then why shouldn't they be able to support themselves and families based off thier own marketability?

because StUdENT AtHLeTeS

[clyde21]

There's a more in-depth piece on the subject in the New York Times, which mentions that Washington and Colorado have similar bills in the works, and that Mark Walker, Republican of North Carolina, introduced a federal bill this year that would allow college athletes to be compensated for the use of their name, image and likeness.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/sports/college-athlete-pay-california.html

the writing is on the wall, it's up to the NCAA now to keep up.

[Sedale Threatt]

It’s going to be fascinating to see how this plays out. Hopefully it deals an enormous blow to the racket that is major college sports.

[nomansland]

There's a more in-depth piece on the subject in the New York Times, which mentions that Washington and Colorado have similar bills in the works, and that Mark Walker, Republican of North Carolina, introduced a federal bill this year that would allow college athletes to be compensated for the use of their name, image and likeness.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/sports/college-athlete-pay-california.html

Yeah it's not going to be long before a lot of states jump in on this. The NCAA is fighting a tide they can't withstand.

[righterwriter]

Few things are more California than Bernie retweeting Lebron

On the flip side, does this mean that parasite sports agencies like Klutch Sports (Lebron & Rich Paul) can get their hooks into these kids at an earlier age, and hook them up with endorsements and such? I mean, there's always somebody trying to make a buck off these prodigies. In addition to the NCAA, it will be Lebron.

USC and UCLA programs about to blow up.

Pipe down! There's no waking up the woke.

[Nazrmohamed]

Good. To me this shouldve been the answer all along. Schools shouldnt ever pay student athletes however if a student athlete based on his own greatness is deemed marketable by forces outside of the schools control then why shouldn't they be able to support themselves and families based off thier own marketability?

because StUdENT AtHLeTeS

The only people who care about that classification seem to be traditionalists focused on this ideal of keeping poor kids in thier place and it's never worked because the best of them scheme thier way into getting money anyway. Allowing them to take endorsements brings everything into the light and cuts out the dark market and shadow deals.

[clyde21]

Few things are more California than Bernie retweeting Lebron

On the flip side, does this mean that parasite sports agencies like Klutch Sports (Lebron & Rich Paul) can get their hooks into these kids at an earlier age, and hook them up with endorsements and such? I mean, there's always somebody trying to make a buck off these prodigies. In addition to the NCAA, it will be Lebron.

USC and UCLA programs about to blow up.

Pipe down! There's no waking up the woke.

what are you trying to wake people up about exactly? people already know agents use players as well to make money, but at least, unlike the NCAA, the players make money too.

pretty wide difference there.

[XxIronChainzxX]

So no Californian schools in the College Football Playoffs or Final Four after 2023 unless the NCAA change their rules.

So things will basically be the same as they are today

Guys like Zion presumably would now strongly favour California as a way to earn endorsement $$ without any legal issues ala Webber. Not sure I agree.

[XxIronChainzxX]

Wait, you need a law to make something Legal?

I thought the laws were to make things illegal...

I'm not sure if you're being serious, but you need a law to change a law. Basically, a new law says "we've changed the old law this way, the new law is this thing."

[XxIronChainzxX]

The NCAA and their crazy threats.

Like they're really going to have march madness without any California teams. Especially when most of the top recruits will pick California schools.

What states are going to sit around and see all of the best recruits go to California school without passing similar laws.

It shouldn't have taken a new law to make this happen, the NCAA should have made the change years ago.

The law apparently stops schools from revoking scholarships but all that would happen would be schools self reporting the violation and the team being immediately ruled ineligible for championships while having to still keep these paid endorsers on scholarship.

So now you are a freshman who takes 10k in endorsement money is is deemed permanently ineligible by the ncaa and the school cant revoke your scholly so you can stay on campus and go to class while waiting to become draft eligible for the NFL. What will happen to the endorsement money when you cant see the field again in college ? Meanwhile you are still holding up a scholarship so if multiple players take money sou only have so many scholarships to offer and that will affect recruiting .

For basketball players I dont see the point for the top players when you now can go pro after HS and if you stay one year thats 6-8 months . I think most of the top bball players who will go to college will go for the experience and the tournament not endorsement money and as for football most of the high level recruits are not going there now as its not a path to the pros oh you will get a few to sign for some quick money and local notoriety.

I dont think we will see the law go into affect for another 3-4 years and by then the ncaa will have made the changes on their own

That requires the NCAA to suspend these guys. Imagine it's Zion - their biggest moneymaker in a generation. Are they seriously going to ban him from playing in any NCAA games and profiting from it?

[LakersSoul]

NCAA,

Take the damn chains off!!
Let the student athletes eat.

[xdrta+]

The NCAA and their crazy threats.

Like they're really going to have march madness without any California teams. Especially when most of the top recruits will pick California schools.

What states are going to sit around and see all of the best recruits go to California school without passing similar laws.

It shouldn't have taken a new law to make this happen, the NCAA should have made the change years ago.

The law apparently stops schools from revoking scholarships but all that would happen would be schools self reporting the violation and the team being immediately ruled ineligible for championships while having to still keep these paid endorsers on scholarship.

So now you are a freshman who takes 10k in endorsement money is is deemed permanently ineligible by the ncaa and the school cant revoke your scholly so you can stay on campus and go to class while waiting to become draft eligible for the NFL. What will happen to the endorsement money when you cant see the field again in college ? Meanwhile you are still holding up a scholarship so if multiple players take money sou only have so many scholarships to offer and that will affect recruiting .

For basketball players I dont see the point for the top players when you now can go pro after HS and if you stay one year thats 6-8 months . I think most of the top bball players who will go to college will go for the experience and the tournament not endorsement money and as for football most of the high level recruits are not going there now as its not a path to the pros oh you will get a few to sign for some quick money and local notoriety.

I dont think we will see the law go into affect for another 3-4 years and by then the ncaa will have made the changes on their own

That requires the NCAA to suspend these guys. Imagine it's Zion - their biggest moneymaker in a generation. Are they seriously going to ban him from playing in any NCAA games and profiting from it?

Well, one section of the bill is:

(3) An athletic association, conference, or other group or organization with authority over intercollegiate athletics, including, but not limited to, the National Collegiate Athletic Association, shall not prevent a postsecondary educational institution from participating in intercollegiate athletics as a result of the compensation of a student athlete for the use of the student’s name, image, or likeness.

So a ban would be a violation of California law -- how this would play out in the inevitable court case is anyone's guess, but it's not so cut and dried that the NCAA could just ban schools or athletes.

For anyone interested, the text of the California bill is here:
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200SB206

[LakersLegacy]

Student athletes should definitely go to school in California.

[Pointgod]

Yup the good ole "States rights unless I disagree" approach.

Good move by California. If the law makes it to the deadline the NCAA will fold like a desk of cards to change their rules to match. It's getting to 2023 without a repeal that'll be the issue

Exactly my thoughts. It's probably even the case of "States rights unless minorities benefit".

I don't think it's a coincidence that some people don't want to see student-athletes — with many of the elite being a minority — being able to financially profit from their skills/labor. It's always about keeping things like it always has been, because it's simply "tradition" or "unpractical".

Eh, I don't know if the majority of people really think that.

You have to remember most big sports colleges are located in small towns, or atleast not in big media markets. Tuscaloosa, Clemson, Lexington, Ann Arbor, Lincoln, Norman, College Station etc... Sure you have schools in Columbus, Miami, Austin, Raleigh-Durahm, but those aren't LA or NYC.

People are gonna feel like this is a rich-get richer thing, especially when its headed by California. College sports are really the only thing these areas have in terms of high level athletics, and if they feel its being taken away from them by the big cities of California... then there is going to be resentment. Especially when guys like Lebron and Sanders are commenting on it, which makes it into more of a political issue than a sports issue, which is something a lot of people don't like. Not because of the political nature of it, minoritys or whatever, but simply because its a political issue now.

Which is why I specifically phrased this as a California thing. If a state like North Carolina, Illinois, or even Florida pushed for something like this, I bet people would be all for it.

All this law does is allow athletes to make money off of their likeness, which is absolutely insane that they can’t in the first place. Other States can and should follow suit so I don’t see how this is the rich getting richer. If anything, way more states need to be Progressive like California and pass their own laws. Besides the big programs will still get the big name recruits it just means now athletes have more of a choice.

[MrCheerios]

That is absolutely not in danger of happening. What, 1 top 10 recruit in the last decade have elected to go overseas (Emmanuel Mudiay)? And look at how that worked out for him... guess he's still in the league but he's not exactly lighting it up nor does he have teams lining up to give him a big contract.

RJ Hampton and Lamelo Ball are playing the NBL this year on pro deals and they're both top prospects. Lets face it, if you're telling a player out of high school whether he could develop nicely in a pro league or go unpaid in the NCAA, i think the choice is pretty clear.

The system is completely antiquated.

Okay, so 3 players out of 1,000. Not sure the NCAA really cares.

Maybe if those players start to go on having successful NBA careers then they'll care, but until that happen, I don't think they will. You say the choice is clear but basically no one has made that choice.

I agree that most players wouldn't take the plunge. There was a barrier to playing overseas, primarily the culture shock for young teenagers. Brandon Jennings said that he didn't particularly enjoy his time over in Italy despite making a fairly lucrative contract vs being a freshman in college. Makes sense, he was playing with older veterans in a foreign country. That's not for everyone.

This new law in California should be far more disruptive as most players aren't going to be opposed to making money while attending college. There is little to no cultural barrier by playing in California and they'll be teammates with players their own age. The dominoes will fall as colleges see the talent shift towards schools that allow their athletes to make money.

[Wigginstime]

The NCAA is still in control and legal precedence is in their favor.

This is no different than states passing laws to legalize marijuana. Legal precedence has been established that corporations still maintain their right to ban the use of marijuana, implement drug screening, and fire any employee who engages in the act of marijuana regardless of the state legislature.

This doesn't change anything unless the NCAA is willing to make their own internal rule changes - the NCAA is still free to ban players who take endorsements. The only difference this law makes is that players who get banned would still get to keep their scholarships.