California passes law to allow student-athletes to make money off endorsements

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Re: California passes law to allow student-athletes to make money off endorsements 

Post#81 » by clyde21 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:11 am

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But there are also a lot who haven't, significantly more than have had success playing 1 year overseas.


we don't have a sample size to say it...your only sample i...Mudiay? we've seen wayyyy more people bust out of the NCAA than Mudiay lol


Has there ever been a player to go overseas and play that was actually a superstar player in the NBA? I can't think of any.


again...small sample size...it's too small to even make a point which is why you don't really make any sense here.

a high recruit college? Mudiay was the only one really...Terence Ferguson did the same thing too...both of them are at least functional NBA players. RJ Hampton and LaMelo Ball both just did it now following suit...

and again, you just had guys like Jalen Lecque, Anfernee Simons, Darius Bazley and Mitchell Robinson who either decided to reclassify and not play in the NCAA at all or sit out a year.

point being players are looking for more ways than ever NOT to play that year in the NCAA...but if your conclusion is that a player is more likely to succeed in the NBA if at goes to the NCAA...well that's completely unfounded.
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Re: California passes law to allow student-athletes to make money off endorsements 

Post#82 » by RCM88x » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:23 am

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we don't have a sample size to say it...your only sample i...Mudiay? we've seen wayyyy more people bust out of the NCAA than Mudiay lol


Has there ever been a player to go overseas and play that was actually a superstar player in the NBA? I can't think of any.


again...small sample size...it's too small to even make a point which is why you don't really make any sense here.

a high recruit college? Mudiay was the only one really...Terence Ferguson did the same thing too...both of them are at least functional NBA players. RJ Hampton and LaMelo Ball both just did it now following suit...

and again, you just had guys like Jalen Lecque, Anfernee Simons, Darius Bazley and Mitchell Robinson who either decided to reclassify and not play in the NCAA at all or sit out a year.

point being players are looking for more ways than ever NOT to play that year in the NCAA...but if your conclusion is that a player is more likely to succeed in the NBA if at goes to the NCAA...well that's completely unfounded.


I'm not saying they're more likely to succeed. I'm saying they're more likely to go to the NCAA because the extreme majority of great players in the NBA also did, and no great players in the NBA wen't overseas to play instead. Weather or not playing in either league effects their NBA prospects doesn't matter, nor does the sample size.

A 17 year old kid in highschool isn't going to think "well we have a statistically insignificant sample size of players who decided to play overseas instead of the NCAA so I really shouldn't base by decision on the success of said players who went overseas to play"...

They're going to think "man, 100k to play for some team in Poland for 7 months I've never heard might be fun, but I'd much rather go to Duke or Kentucky like Zion or Anthony Davis". The extreme majority of these kids don't think in terms of dollars, they aren't adults with rent, car payments, credit card debt.

Outside of the money, which compared to the NBA money is pretty marginal, there just isn't any other perceived advantage, especially when there hasn't really been any super successful person to do it yet. Perception is what matters here, these are teenagers picking where they want to play basketball for a year before hopping up to the NBA, not banks analyzing the credit rating of business applying for loans.

But like I said, this stuff is probably going to have no effect on the NBA, they're going to allow kids to come up right from HS before 2023 anyways.
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Re: California passes law to allow student-athletes to make money off endorsements 

Post#83 » by YogurtProducer » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:32 am

Mikistan wrote:Wait, you need a law to make something Legal?

I thought the laws were to make things illegal...

My guess is it’s a law to make disallowing this practice illegal
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Post#84 » by LKN » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:09 am

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Did you read the comments section in that link? People seem to hate the idea of players making money while in college. SMH


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Post#85 » by LKN » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:12 am

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Probably 10-15 other states with similar labor philosophies will follow suit with a similar law, now that they have the idea in their head. I can tell you with certainty that Washington, NY and Massachusetts will do something like this sooner or later.

NCAA will have to have 50% of the country tournament excluded if they want to do that.


Oregon and Colorado too

the NCAA can either get in front of this or get left behind, but the train is already moving.


Yup. If the NCAA wants to try and make any good graces with this subject, they drop this rule as soon as they can. Fighting it or even holding onto this rule until they're forced legally to drop it is an even worse look for them.

Im actually someone that doesn't have an issue with the NCAA not paying the players, (especially with the new G League contract available). They offer what they offer and the players have a choice if they want to take that or not, I think its a bigger issue that the NBA forces the OAD rule.

But with all of that said, the cant make money off your name or likeness is so far beyond overreach by them its ridiculous. Its the dumbest rule with anything to do with sports that I know of. If a player wants to go make a local TV commercial, good on them, why the hell does the NCAA have to stop that from happening.

Someone within the NCAA has to be smart and realize, this is going to happen no matter what. We can either look like idiots and hold onto this rule until we are forced to change it, or we can get out in front of it and end the rule now. Be smart about this NCAA.


Great post - completely agree... I think that allowing players to sell their likeness is a much easier solution to the issue anyways. It also gets rid of a lot of other stupid problems (I've heard violations being reported for stupid crap like one players parents taking other players out for pizza)
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Post#86 » by LKN » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:18 am

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Did you read the comments section in that link? People seem to hate the idea of players making money while in college. SMH


Every other comment is 'libtards' and 'communist'. You'd think people who believe in the free market would like this move


99% of people who use those words have no idea what they actually mean anyways.

I do find it amusing that a move to allow a freer market - and not a monopoly would be derided as socialist. Gee I wonder if their issue could be something else. Funny how this only comes up with basketball and football.
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Re: California passes law to allow student-athletes to make money off endorsements 

Post#87 » by Not Suave Rico » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:15 am

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INKtastic wrote:The NCAA and their crazy threats.

Like they're really going to have march madness without any California teams. Especially when most of the top recruits will pick California schools.

What states are going to sit around and see all of the best recruits go to California school without passing similar laws.

It shouldn't have taken a new law to make this happen, the NCAA should have made the change years ago.


Probably 10-15 other states with similar labor philosophies will follow suit with a similar law, now that they have the idea in their head. I can tell you with certainty that Washington, NY and Massachusetts will do something like this sooner or later.

NCAA will have to have 50% of the country tournament excluded if they want to do that.

If enough states do this then they can have their own tournaments that directly competes with the NCAA, and it will feature most of the best players.
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Re: California passes law to allow student-athletes to make money off endorsements 

Post#88 » by TheDominator273 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:23 am

It was never illegal for college players to earn endorsement money, it's simply against the bylaws of the NCAA. You can make money off your likeness, they just make you not eligible to participate in any sanctioned event.

The obvious hope is that more states follow suit and pressure the NCAA to change their bylaws, but if it's just California nothing will change.
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Post#89 » by kio80 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:44 am

Where does all the NCAA money go? Forgive my ignorance.


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Post#90 » by Ducklett » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:04 am

I am all for the student athletics making money in a perfect world where people and organizations don't cheat. So let's say they allow it. Is it capped? As in a student can only do up to 125k in promotional work a season? If it isn't capped, schools like UF with major sponserships because of Gatorade etc just New York Yankees buy up all the big name players. So, instead of recruiting based on how good your campus is, how good your program's history is, how good the coaches are to make you the best possible player, you recruit with how many company logos you can fit on their shirts?

Yeah, sounds like a fun new system. /s
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Post#91 » by LKN » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:28 am

Ducklett wrote:I am all for the student athletics making money in a perfect world where people and organizations don't cheat. So let's say they allow it. Is it capped? As in a student can only do up to 125k in promotional work a season? If it isn't capped, schools like UF with major sponserships because of Gatorade etc just New York Yankees buy up all the big name players. So, instead of recruiting based on how good your campus is, how good your program's history is, how good the coaches are to make you the best possible player, you recruit with how many company logos you can fit on their shirts?

Yeah, sounds like a fun new system. /s


Um, how is that any different from now? Where do you think the money comes from to pay those coaches and build those fancy practice facilities? The only difference would be the kids themselves could get some of the money.

Teams are basically already buying up all the good players... it's just indirect. It's not like NCAA football/basketball have much parity
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Post#92 » by Ducklett » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:01 pm

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Ducklett wrote:I am all for the student athletics making money in a perfect world where people and organizations don't cheat. So let's say they allow it. Is it capped? As in a student can only do up to 125k in promotional work a season? If it isn't capped, schools like UF with major sponserships because of Gatorade etc just New York Yankees buy up all the big name players. So, instead of recruiting based on how good your campus is, how good your program's history is, how good the coaches are to make you the best possible player, you recruit with how many company logos you can fit on their shirts?

Yeah, sounds like a fun new system. /s


Um, how is that any different from now? Where do you think the money comes from to pay those coaches and build those fancy practice facilities? The only difference would be the kids themselves could get some of the money.

Teams are basically already buying up all the good players... it's just indirect. It's not like NCAA football/basketball have much parity


There is a pretty huge difference. Why do you think leagues have salary caps...
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Post#93 » by LKN » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:06 pm

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Ducklett wrote:I am all for the student athletics making money in a perfect world where people and organizations don't cheat. So let's say they allow it. Is it capped? As in a student can only do up to 125k in promotional work a season? If it isn't capped, schools like UF with major sponserships because of Gatorade etc just New York Yankees buy up all the big name players. So, instead of recruiting based on how good your campus is, how good your program's history is, how good the coaches are to make you the best possible player, you recruit with how many company logos you can fit on their shirts?

Yeah, sounds like a fun new system. /s


Um, how is that any different from now? Where do you think the money comes from to pay those coaches and build those fancy practice facilities? The only difference would be the kids themselves could get some of the money.

Teams are basically already buying up all the good players... it's just indirect. It's not like NCAA football/basketball have much parity


There is a pretty huge difference. Why do you think leagues have salary caps...


What does that have to do with anything? I know of no sports league that has attempted to cap or really even get heavily involved with players earning money on their own off the field with endorsements.

The NCAA already has equal scholarship limits.
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Post#94 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:43 pm

Ducklett wrote:I am all for the student athletics making money in a perfect world where people and organizations don't cheat. So let's say they allow it. Is it capped? As in a student can only do up to 125k in promotional work a season? If it isn't capped, schools like UF with major sponserships because of Gatorade etc just New York Yankees buy up all the big name players. So, instead of recruiting based on how good your campus is, how good your program's history is, how good the coaches are to make you the best possible player, you recruit with how many company logos you can fit on their shirts?

Yeah, sounds like a fun new system. /s


How is that any different than it is now? Is it really any fair for a team like Wake Forrest to recruit against Duke or UK? Duke's and UK's big time donors allow them to spend big time money on their coaches, training facilities, players dorms, private nutritionist, travel accommodations and so on.

If a school can provide a better marketing system for their players, then good on that school and ends up better for the players.
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Post#95 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:45 pm

And just like that the NCAA shoots themselves in the foot. Who in their right minds thought it was a good idea to fight this. You aren't going to win this thing legally or socially NCAA.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/27593438/ncaa-asks-california-deny-fair-pay-play-act
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Post#96 » by Sedale Threatt » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:50 pm

TheDominator273 wrote:It was never illegal for college players to earn endorsement money, it's simply against the bylaws of the NCAA. You can make money off your likeness, they just make you not eligible to participate in any sanctioned event.

The obvious hope is that more states follow suit and pressure the NCAA to change their bylaws, but if it's just California nothing will change.


Yeah, I don't know about that. All it takes is one guy, a Heisman Trophy winner or somebody along those lines, to make some bank and that's a pretty enormous carrot to dangle for potential recruits. You won't find too many more close equivalents to an arms race than college sports. (Witness the proliferation of ridiculously tricked out locker rooms.) If enough colleges feel like they're at a competitive disadvantage, even a small one, things will change real quick.
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Post#97 » by CoachD » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:50 pm

Ok, the fight now is... will the state law circumvent the league policy, especially when these California-based athletes are performing outside of their state.

Marijuana is legal in many states and in Canada ... but the NBA still has a no marijuana rule because it's their policy. If Pascal Siakam got caught with weed in his system, there'd be no legal issues, but the NBA would suspend him.

This seems like it's heading for court
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Post#98 » by NBAFan93 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:55 pm

kio80 wrote:Where does all the NCAA money go? Forgive my ignorance.


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This is where it goes.

http://www.ncaa.org/about/where-does-money-go

Evil nefarious purposes indeed - we need it to buy Zion and his mom Ferrari’s ASAP cause the world is just a worse place without that - :roll:

I get so annoyed w/ this whole assumption that a non-profit institution making money off its tournament- so it can fund collegiate athletics for young adults in our colleges - is a bad thing. Heaven forbid some soon to be millionaire kid has to wait a year or two to get paid and ONLY has access to a free college education and room and board for that timeframe.

I guess this will play out however, but wouldn’t be surprised if it ends up in the Supreme Court who will decide whether the NCAA can still keep its non-profit classification w/ these athletes making money, and if they can’t, the tournament will probably end. Their policy is the way it is cause of tax status. You can’t have what are essentially professional athletes playing a sport, earn money on it, and not pay taxes on that income - and a college needs it’s non-profit status for more important things than a basketball tournament.
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Post#99 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:00 pm

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Did you read the comments section in that link? People seem to hate the idea of players making money while in college. SMH


Never read the comments - it's worse than monkeys throwing poop


I can almost guarantee you if this was about primarily ncaa hockey or baseball players making money, none of those comments would be made.
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Post#100 » by TurinTurambar » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:05 pm

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Did you read the comments section in that link? People seem to hate the idea of players making money while in college. SMH


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