FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 | SPAIN are new WORLD CHAMPIONS

[a-French-Fan]

Pop is the problem.

He is obviously a great coach. But he put in a system that is useful for teams DEPRIVED of talent like the Spurs. Team USA doesn't need ball movement. Just needs to out talent.

Coach K would have won with this team.

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He really won without talent ? Ginobili/Duncan/Parker ... No talent?! Duncan best PF of all time, TP9 was one a 5 best PG on the League during a décade. Pop would had traded him for CP3 or Deron Williams. Ginobili an other all-star...
And remember the old Dave Robinson, or even Robert Horry,Boris Diaw (sincerly more talented than TP9 but didn't give a *** for stats) etc ...

The fact he built a team year After year and players loved his system that they prefered earning less dollars but still winning in his system.

In my opinion, Pop didn't deserved this defeat. But presents are always wrong ...

And how coach K would have won with Joe Harris or Myles Turner?!!

[JonFromVA]

Just realized France has the chance to be the World cup champion in football and basketball, would that be a first?

Technically, Spain was still the basketball world champions when they won the soccer world cup in 2010. (they would lose the title to the US a few months later).

Technically there was no "World Cup" of basketball before 2014.

FIBA renamed their World Championship tourney to try to steal some of the fame of the FIFA tourney, but then rescheduled it a year later so they wouldn't have to compete with it - choosing instead to lose players from their tournament who can't justify the additional load of playing in back to back years.

[LoveMyRaps]

Rooting for Spain.
Would be great to see Gasol win the world cup and NBA championship in the same summer.

[juli_rc]

Just realized France has the chance to be the World cup champion in football and basketball, would that be a first?

Quick search and nope. 1958 Brazil in football and 1959 in basketball.

It's not the same, because happens in a Olympic, but Argentina got gold in football and basketball in the same DAY!

[og15]

Pop is the problem.

He is obviously a great coach. But he put in a system that is useful for teams DEPRIVED of talent like the Spurs. Team USA doesn't need ball movement. Just needs to out talent.

Coach K would have won with this team.

??
He really won without talent ? Ginobili/Duncan/Parker ... No talent?! Duncan best PF of all time, TP9 was one a 5 best PG on the League during a décade. Pop would had traded him for CP3 or Deron Williams. Ginobili an other all-star...
And remember the old Dave Robinson, or even Robert Horry,Boris Diaw (sincerly more talented than TP9 but didn't give a *** for stats) etc ...

The fact he built a team year After year and players loved his system that they prefered earning less dollars but still winning in his system.

In my opinion, Pop didn't deserved this defeat. But presents are always wrong ...

And how coach K would have won with Joe Harris or Myles Turner?!!

I think the poster is talking about the current Spurs teams

[a-French-Fan]

Pop is the problem.

He is obviously a great coach. But he put in a system that is useful for teams DEPRIVED of talent like the Spurs. Team USA doesn't need ball movement. Just needs to out talent.

Coach K would have won with this team.

??
He really won without talent ? Ginobili/Duncan/Parker ... No talent?! Duncan best PF of all time, TP9 was one a 5 best PG on the League during a décade. Pop would had traded him for CP3 or Deron Williams. Ginobili an other all-star...
And remember the old Dave Robinson, or even Robert Horry,Boris Diaw (sincerly more talented than TP9 but didn't give a *** for stats) etc ...

The fact he built a team year After year and players loved his system that they prefered earning less dollars but still winning in his system.

In my opinion, Pop didn't deserved this defeat. But presents are always wrong ...

And how coach K would have won with Joe Harris or Myles Turner?!!

I think the poster is talking about the current Spurs teams

Oh yeah, sorry for the misunderstanding. But this team USA was deprived of talent too. And when you have not a roster above all other teams, you necessary need a pretty good ball movement, and a good team defense.

I really think that Pop was not the problem. Coach K would not have won too. Like Coach K Pop was the good guy to lead NBA all stars to the gold
; but to lead to gold average NBA players that have never played together before and who were not supposed to go to China 2 months ago, this guy doesn't exist.

[stoo]

I guess I cheer for Argentina or Australia to win, but I have a feeling winner of Arg/Fra will win gold. I've already been wrong though

[e83pw2oa9hl5f]

Cheering for the cousins across the ditch.

[a-French-Fan]

I guess I cheer for Argentina or Australia to win, but I have a feeling winner of Arg/Fra will win gold. I've already been wrong though

Winner of Arg/Fra with gold, I agree! Of course, I Hope France, but if Argentina wins tomorrow, I want them with gold.
For Spa-Aus, I don't care. If France goes to final, Australia it would an opportunity to show that we didn't play with our values at the 2d round.
Spain ... They so much hurt us ... But nevermind, rivalry goes on even without Parker, Diaw, Pau, Juanca ...

[Hroz]

Cheering for the cousins across the ditch.

Baynes NZ born

Think his brother played for NZ

[Pipp33]

Sorry, go check the TV ratings if you don't believe how little most Americans care about the FIBA WC.

And while experience in the format matters a lot, talent still matters more. Feel free to compare the 2014 roster to the 2019 roster. The 2014 team suffered a major drop-off in talent and experience from the 2012 Olympic team and still won it all; but their drop-off was nothing like the 2019 team.

Jerry Colangelo mentioned the problems FIBA's schedule changes were causing the team well over a month ago. Heck, team USA had to qualify with a friggen G-League team because FIBA decided previous winners should no longer get an exemption and they scheduled the Americas tourney right in the middle of the NBA season. Why do you think FIBA made these changes?

As for Patty, we don't judge or pay players based on what they do in FIBA. The fact the Spurs were -1.5 points per 100 when Patty was off the floor speaks loudly about his value and/or the Spur's lack of PG depth after Murray went down with injury. We'll have to see on that.

The rest of the world doesn't care if the USA doesn't watch the World Cup. We all know that unless you think you can win, you don't care. The disrespect shown by the US media outlets during this is hilarious. They are making assumptions off NBA play and no idea of the quality of guys playing in the Euro leagues.

The USA were not the only ones who had to qualify without players. Every country was missing their best players, and to qualify out of Eurpoe is a lot harder than through Americas or Asia. But keep making excuses with not even making the top 4.

We will see when the Olympics come around, but if you think just because KD/LBJ/AD/Steph/Harden turn up to play, you'll stroll through to the Gold medal, you're wrong. International basketball is DEEP now. Yes, there's always been a few very good teams, Spain/Argentina/Lithuania/Yugoslavia, but now there's France, Australia, Canada, Greece, Czechs and more who all have quality teas and every game will be tough. Plus, Harden will be called for a travel every time he does his 5 step step-back shots in FIBA, because they actually care about travels

I just made a post explaining the odds of what kind of dominance it takes to just have a 50-50 shot at winning an elimination tourney. The world hasn't "caught up" when Team USA even fielding their "A" team loses, but dream on.

You can make up your own reasons all you want. Poor USA players couldn't field their A Team...boo hoo, cry me a river. FACTS are that some players pulled out because they saw other players were out and didn't want to be associated with a team that loses. Most counties have players begging to represent their country on sports. That's your biggest issue.

With the knock out tournament style, which all of these tournaments come down too, every country faces the same obstacles, so why should we feel sorry for the USA. This is not the NBA, nor should it be. Every World cup style tournament in sports comes down to knock out games. Brazil loses to France in Football and they don't complain about how hard their qualifications were

Stop making excuses, I couldn't care less if you sent a G League team to the world cup, we can only beat a team that is brave enough to turn up and now the records show that you will come 7th or 8th.

[nzahir]

Who should play in 2020? Best US players are getting older/have injury concerns or are a bit young.

AD is most obvious one for some size and talent.

Need a closer who can just generate offense when pressure is on.
Kawhi, KD, or Bron. But they are older and or have injury problems

Would curry or harden step up? Is Kyrie enough to be best guy?

[RB34]

Can we move on from the whole “Americans don’t care” thing, it’s getting old.

[JonFromVA]

The rest of the world doesn't care if the USA doesn't watch the World Cup. We all know that unless you think you can win, you don't care. The disrespect shown by the US media outlets during this is hilarious. They are making assumptions off NBA play and no idea of the quality of guys playing in the Euro leagues.

The USA were not the only ones who had to qualify without players. Every country was missing their best players, and to qualify out of Eurpoe is a lot harder than through Americas or Asia. But keep making excuses with not even making the top 4.

We will see when the Olympics come around, but if you think just because KD/LBJ/AD/Steph/Harden turn up to play, you'll stroll through to the Gold medal, you're wrong. International basketball is DEEP now. Yes, there's always been a few very good teams, Spain/Argentina/Lithuania/Yugoslavia, but now there's France, Australia, Canada, Greece, Czechs and more who all have quality teas and every game will be tough. Plus, Harden will be called for a travel every time he does his 5 step step-back shots in FIBA, because they actually care about travels

I just made a post explaining the odds of what kind of dominance it takes to just have a 50-50 shot at winning an elimination tourney. The world hasn't "caught up" when Team USA even fielding their "A" team loses, but dream on.

You can make up your own reasons all you want. Poor USA players couldn't field their A Team...boo hoo, cry me a river. FACTS are that some players pulled out because they saw other players were out and didn't want to be associated with a team that loses. Most counties have players begging to represent their country on sports. That's your biggest issue.

With the knock out tournament style, which all of these tournaments come down too, every country faces the same obstacles, so why should we feel sorry for the USA. This is not the NBA, nor should it be. Every World cup style tournament in sports comes down to knock out games. Brazil loses to France in Football and they don't complain about how hard their qualifications were

Stop making excuses, I couldn't care less if you sent a G League team to the world cup, we can only beat a team that is brave enough to turn up and now the records show that you will come 7th or 8th.

Or why don't you just STFU and be grateful we bothered to send players over at all?

The fact US and Canadian players are not begging to go earn millions for FIBA over in China says more about the value and prestige of your tourney than it does about their "braveness", "patriotism", "loyalty", or whatever BS you care to associate with participating in your inconsequential little tourney.

[AussieCeltic]

Australia has been getting no love on this board the whole World Cup. Even thought they’ve been USA in a warm up, haven’t lost at the World Cup yet which includes wins against Lithuania, Czech and the team everyone is calling the fav now France. I guess that means nothing

[TheNG]

Australia has been getting no love on this board the whole World Cup. Even thought they’ve been USA in a warm up, haven’t lost at the World Cup yet which includes wins against Lithuania, Czech and the team everyone is calling the fav now France. I guess that means nothing

Until the game between USA and France, I could divide the fans on this board to 6 teams: Serbia, USA, Australia, Lithuania, Canada and Greece.
You have more fans here than France,Spain and Argentina together.
It's probably just all the US fans now want France to succeed so they would feel less like losers, so maybe that's what you're seeing

[Pachinko_]

Main thing is, this is a great World Cup. America loves basketball anyway so they'll be fine but it's important more people around the world get excited, and the Boomers are in the morning news

[AdagioPace]

the US shouldn't even deserve the "most overrated prize". That goes to Greece honestly!

[iggymcfrack]

Who should play in 2020? Best US players are getting older/have injury concerns or are a bit young.

AD is most obvious one for some size and talent.

Need a closer who can just generate offense when pressure is on.
Kawhi, KD, or Bron. But they are older and or have injury problems

Would curry or harden step up? Is Kyrie enough to be best guy?

Kawhi, KD, and Bron have to be the 3 least likely closer options for the US team. You have a guy with a seemingly permanent leg condition that won’t allow him to play a full season, a guy who’s likely to miss the entire season with an injury, and a multiple gold medal winner who’s about to be 35 years old. Be a little more realistic.

Dame Lillard would be an excellent closer. He’s been healthy and he’s never played in the Olympics before. Steph’s a little more of a long shot with his ankle issues, but he might try to win an Olympic gold too if the Warriors have an early playoff exit. Jimmy Butler has a gold from 2016, but could maybe be persuaded to come back if he was going to be the star of the team instead of a reserve this time around.

[GusT15]

Who should play in 2020? Best US players are getting older/have injury concerns or are a bit young.

AD is most obvious one for some size and talent.

Need a closer who can just generate offense when pressure is on.
Kawhi, KD, or Bron. But they are older and or have injury problems

Would curry or harden step up? Is Kyrie enough to be best guy?

Kawhi, KD, and Bron have to be the 3 least likely closer options for the US team. You have a guy with a seemingly permanent leg condition that won’t allow him to play a full season, a guy who’s likely to miss the entire season with an injury, and a multiple gold medal winner who’s about to be 35 years old. Be a little more realistic.

Dame Lillard would be an excellent closer. He’s been healthy and he’s never played in the Olympics before. Steph’s a little more of a long shot with his ankle issues, but he might try to win an Olympic gold too if the Warriors have an early playoff exit. Jimmy Butler has a gold from 2016, but could maybe be persuaded to come back if he was going to be the star of the team instead of a reserve this time around.

Find some Bigmen Allstars for that team as well,so that Gobert won't be guarded by Harrison Barnes again.