Kobe's statistical shortcomings

[triple_threat]

Yeah, Kobe played against the two best defenses in the finals in the past 20+ years and he gets criticized for shooting poorly but then we always apply "context" to players like Harden, Curry, Lebron, etc.

But Kobe, no its just pure numbers when judging him.

There's no shame in that he shot poorly/played poorly in the playoffs...that's what is suppose to happen. Jordan and I think only Olajuwon can really say they clearly improve in the playoffs.

Lebron vs Spurs 2007
Lebron vs Mavericks 2011
Lebron missing the playoffs 2019

Oh no he's legit in the GOAT conversation........

Dont forget kobe got swept by those mavs in those playoffs. Dont forget kobe missed the playoffs at age 26 if i recall correctly without suffering a major injury that year. Dont forget kobe in his 4th year only averaged 22.5 ppg and put up the worst finals stats in the history of the nba for a top 10-15 player

Kobe missed a lot of games the year he missed the playoffs. It as the ame situation as LeBron's this year, but with a worse supporting cast.

Why are you lying Kobe played 11 more games and squarely in his prime

[ProspectPark]

Dont forget kobe got swept by those mavs in those playoffs. Dont forget kobe missed the playoffs at age 26 if i recall correctly without suffering a major injury that year. Dont forget kobe in his 4th year only averaged 22.5 ppg and put up the worst finals stats in the history of the nba for a top 10-15 player

Kobe missed a lot of games the year he missed the playoffs. It as the ame situation as LeBron's this year, but with a worse supporting cast.

Why are you lying Kobe played 11 more games and squarely in his prime

Are you including the games Lebron missed because he shut it down early after the team was eliminated from playoff contention?

[Therein93]

Missed the playoffs in his prime and literally quit in the 2nd half of a Game 7 Of the First Round Playoffs against Phoenix. Those are the two main knocks against him with me.

[Archx]

He played in a heavy defense oriented era and was dominating from a personal standpoint. He won 5 rings in 10 years. He even beat Duncan, who most people have ahead of him, on a regular basis in the playoffs. There is a valid reason why coach Pop, Bowen, Tim etc.. all have such a great respect for him.
I know people will throw Shaq into discussion, but Shaq knows he couldn't have done jack sh*t without him and Kobe was pushing Shaq to be better every single day. They admitted that in their interviews. Kobe played injured for most of his career, he played with a freaking broken finger and won rings..

There is a reason why the whole wide league has such respect for him. They play the ball, they are there, they are not keyboard warriors who are going through 10000 of pages of "advance analytics data", because they don't give a damn about that. Heck, even coaches said on air they don't care about that.
Yet RealGM users are acting like they 100% KNOW how it feels to play in the NBA or why someone is 100% better than the other one.

In previous thread someone even said "KG was better than Kobe" ... yeah sure

[Pennebaker]

In the context of a GOAT debate, can Kobe even be considered in light of the following statistical shortcomings:

1. 2000 nba finals - 16 PPG, 5 RPG, 4 APG, 1.4 BPG, 36% FG%, 33/90

2. 2004 nba finals - 22 PPG, 3 RPG, 4 APG, .6 BPG, 43/113 38% FG

3. 2008 nba finals - 25 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 5 APG, .16 BPG, 53/131 40% FG.

4. Game winners in last 5 seconds of a playoff game - 8/27

5. Career fg - 44.7. Career high fg single season 46.7

6. Career 3fg 32.7 on 4.1 attempts

7. Excluding his rookie season, seasons of 15/3/2.5, 42.8 fg, and 20/5/4

8. 6 years in playoffs shooting 43 fg or worse

No he cannot. Kobe is not, and will never be, in any GOAT debate.

[MrBigShot]

Kobe averaged 30/5/5 on above league average TS% for 5-6 years in the playoffs. He was just fine statistically.

[triple_threat]

Kobe missed a lot of games the year he missed the playoffs. It as the ame situation as LeBron's this year, but with a worse supporting cast.

Why are you lying Kobe played 11 more games and squarely in his prime

Are you including the games Lebron missed because he shut it down early after the team was eliminated from playoff contention?

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[gumbyr24]

Lebron reached the NBA Finals 9 times.

All 9 times, he DID NOT FACE even one First Ballot HOF’er in their prime to get to the Finals.

Just think how pathetic that is.

Meanwhile Kobe has to face the Spurs with Tim Duncan and David Robinson or Parker and Ginobli and Coach Pop.

Jesus..
The insecurities from some of these Kobe fans speaks louder than words.
This thread isn't even about Lebron, and yet that's the only person you can think of.

[ProspectPark]

Lebron reached the NBA Finals 9 times.

All 9 times, he DID NOT FACE even one First Ballot HOF’er in their prime to get to the Finals.

Just think how pathetic that is.

Meanwhile Kobe has to face the Spurs with Tim Duncan and David Robinson or Parker and Ginobli and Coach Pop.

Jesus..
The insecurities from some of these Kobe fans speaks louder than words.
This thread isn't even about Lebron, and yet that's the only person you can think of.

Whose fans do you think make these Kobe bashing threads every week?

[ProspectPark]

Why are you lying Kobe played 11 more games and squarely in his prime

Are you including the games Lebron missed because he shut it down early after the team was eliminated from playoff contention?

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Was this before or after “Playoff Mode” was activated?

Btw, was your question about Kobe not answered in any of the other 10,000 Kobe threads or did you really wake up today and come up with all this all on your own?

Kobe retired over 3 years ago. Are you planning on getting off his D anytime soon?

[gumbyr24]

Lebron reached the NBA Finals 9 times.

All 9 times, he DID NOT FACE even one First Ballot HOF’er in their prime to get to the Finals.

Just think how pathetic that is.

Meanwhile Kobe has to face the Spurs with Tim Duncan and David Robinson or Parker and Ginobli and Coach Pop.

Jesus..
The insecurities from some of these Kobe fans speaks louder than words.
This thread isn't even about Lebron, and yet that's the only person you can think of.

Whose fans do you think make these Kobe bashing threads every week?

I have no clue of the OP's past transgressions
but from just reading this thread I don't see anyone bashing Kobe.

[ProspectPark]

Jesus..
The insecurities from some of these Kobe fans speaks louder than words.
This thread isn't even about Lebron, and yet that's the only person you can think of.

Whose fans do you think make these Kobe bashing threads every week?

I have no clue of the OP's past transgressions
but from just reading this thread I don't see anyone bashing Kobe.

Sure.

[triple_threat]

Whose fans do you think make these Kobe bashing threads every week?

I have no clue of the OP's past transgressions
but from just reading this thread I don't see anyone bashing Kobe.

Sure.

You're awfully insecure for a 7 footer

[ProspectPark]

I have no clue of the OP's past transgressions
but from just reading this thread I don't see anyone bashing Kobe.

Sure.

You're awfully insecure for a 7 footer

Get off Kobe’s D already. Why do you still wake up everyday and think about him? He retired a long time ago.

[ProspectPark]

In the context of a GOAT debate, can Kobe even be considered in light of the following statistical shortcomings:

1. 2000 nba finals - 16 PPG, 5 RPG, 4 APG, 1.4 BPG, 36% FG%, 33/90

2. 2004 nba finals - 22 PPG, 3 RPG, 4 APG, .6 BPG, 43/113 38% FG

3. 2008 nba finals - 25 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 5 APG, .16 BPG, 53/131 40% FG.

4. Game winners in last 5 seconds of a playoff game - 8/27

5. Career fg - 44.7. Career high fg single season 46.7

6. Career 3fg 32.7 on 4.1 attempts

7. Excluding his rookie season, seasons of 15/3/2.5, 42.8 fg, and 20/5/4

8. 6 years in playoffs shooting 43 fg or worse

Don’t you think it’s kind of creepy to wake up and make a thread like this?

To actually take the time and go do Kobe research and then start a thread on RealGM, especially for a player that retired over 3 years ago.

If he’s so trash why are you still thinking about him?

[gumbyr24]

In the context of a GOAT debate, can Kobe even be considered in light of the following statistical shortcomings:

1. 2000 nba finals - 16 PPG, 5 RPG, 4 APG, 1.4 BPG, 36% FG%, 33/90

2. 2004 nba finals - 22 PPG, 3 RPG, 4 APG, .6 BPG, 43/113 38% FG

3. 2008 nba finals - 25 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 5 APG, .16 BPG, 53/131 40% FG.

4. Game winners in last 5 seconds of a playoff game - 8/27

5. Career fg - 44.7. Career high fg single season 46.7

6. Career 3fg 32.7 on 4.1 attempts

7. Excluding his rookie season, seasons of 15/3/2.5, 42.8 fg, and 20/5/4

8. 6 years in playoffs shooting 43 fg or worse

Don’t you think it’s kind of creepy to wake up and make a thread like this?

To actually take the time and go do Kobe research and then start a thread on RealGM, especially for a player that retired over 3 years ago.

If he’s so trash why are you still thinking about him?

The Kobe is GOAT crowd is a rare and unique breed.

imo he' trying to figure out what makes you guys tick.. as am I

[triple_threat]

Sure.

You're awfully insecure for a 7 footer

Get off Kobe’s D already. Why do you still wake up everyday and think about him? He retired a long time ago.

Why do ppl still talk about AI, shaq, pippen. 3 years is nothing.

[NeutralObserver]

lol @ this thread. Like I said before -

Anyone bringing up his 2000 finals numbers without factoring in that he was INTENTIONALLY INJURED in the worst way possible by Jalen Rose, either:

A) Didn't watch basketball back then
B) REALLY hate Kobe Bryant
C) Don't watch basketball at all and substitutes any interest of the game with numbers instead

[NeutralObserver]

I expected the Kobe Bryant (or KD) hate threads to increase once Lebron James missed the playoffs his first time playing in a competitive conference, but I didn't think it would be THIS bad.

Lol. This thread was kept on retainer by someone who scrolls thru basketball-reference on their free-time to look at FG percentages.

Make matters worse, this is considered legitimate basketball discussion by the mods here.

[NeutralObserver]

At the very least, we can take notes on the HUGE demographic of people here who DIDN'T watch basketball until 2010.