Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK

[twix2500]

There would be no long negotiation between Heat and Thunder. They had plenty of time to talk about all the scenarios.

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It's a game of chicken, who will give in first, so both walk away from the table in hopes the other side gives in with training camp getting closer, this probable tactic led Woj to tweet about "parking" CP3 for now. When they do or have engaged again in talks, both sides are going to hope the other side has given trying to accelerate the process.

Riley took his vacation during this time too.

Not saying there will not be a trade. I'm saying negotiation on terms of a deal it will not. They know all the possible trade scenarios. It just take for both to agree to one. It doesn't take long for teams to go through options. That is why Pat was pist at Minny last yr, because they kept procrastinating and then backing out.

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[MartyCONLONNN]

Bogus insider accounts tbh. I do have to say, although no longer elite overall, CP3 is still an elite game manager, pick and roll player and great all around playmaker even in the scoring department. We are so spoiled that most fans in here wouldn't appreciate a lineup of:

CP3/Nunn
Butler/Herro
Winslow/KZ
KO/DJJ/JJ
Bam/Leonard

If Bam or Winslow break out. You’re talking about arguably the 3rd best team the Heat has ever fielded (on paper, I believe they are more talented than the Zo/Timmy led teams). At the very least we are top 4 team, being led by 2 of the most competitive high IQ guys in the league in an open East. That opportunity doesn’t present itself very often. We would have an intelligent offense and a scrappy defense. Sure, we can hope for for Giannis and wait for the uncertainty of Beal but you’re spoiled rotten if adding CP3 into the mix doesn't excite you after these recent seasons.

[Beenie]

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[MadD23]

Bogus insider accounts tbh. I do have to say, although no longer elite overall, CP3 is still an elite game manager, pick and roll player and great all around playmaker even in the scoring department. We are so spoiled that most fans in here wouldn't appreciate a lineup of:

CP3/Nunn
Butler/Herro
Winslow/KZ
KO/DJJ/JJ
Bam/Leonard

If Bam or Winslow break out. You’re talking about arguably the 3rd best team the Heat has ever fielded (on paper, I believe they are more talented than the Zo/Timmy led teams). At the very least we are top 4 team, being led by 2 of the most competitive high IQ guys in the league in an open East. That opportunity doesn’t present itself very often. We would have an intelligent offense and a scrappy defense. Sure, we can hope for for Giannis and wait for the uncertainty of Beal but you’re spoiled rotten if adding CP3 into the mix doesn't excite you after these recent seasons.

I am not too big on waiting for that 2021 free agency season. I believe we'll be better off making trades and drafting to continue trending up. If we get a first round pick back from OKC, and also a second, make it happen. Send them Dragic and KO. If we keep other young assets like Winslow, Bam and DJJ plus that first round pick, we'll have the bullets to hunt for that 3rd star and still be able to keep Herro and one of the other young studs. And yes, with CP3 we could make some serious noise in the East next season.

[puppa bear]

Bogus insider accounts tbh. I do have to say, although no longer elite overall, CP3 is still an elite game manager, pick and roll player and great all around playmaker even in the scoring department. We are so spoiled that most fans in here wouldn't appreciate a lineup of:

CP3/Nunn
Butler/Herro
Winslow/KZ
KO/DJJ/JJ
Bam/Leonard

If Bam or Winslow break out. You’re talking about arguably the 3rd best team the Heat has ever fielded (on paper, I believe they are more talented than the Zo/Timmy led teams). At the very least we are top 4 team, being led by 2 of the most competitive high IQ guys in the league in an open East. That opportunity doesn’t present itself very often. We would have an intelligent offense and a scrappy defense. Sure, we can hope for for Giannis and wait for the uncertainty of Beal but you’re spoiled rotten if adding CP3 into the mix doesn't excite you after these recent seasons.

I am not too big on waiting for that 2021 free agency season. I believe we'll be better off making trades and drafting to continue trending up. If we get a first round pick back from OKC, and also a second, make it happen. Send them Dragic and KO. If we keep other young assets like Winslow, Bam and DJJ plus that first round pick, we'll have the bullets to hunt for that 3rd star and still be able to keep Herro and one of the other young studs. And yes, with CP3 we could make some serious noise in the East next season.

The huge issue with CP3 is our cap situation. We’re still precariously close to the hard cap and can’t take back much apart from what we send out. Even aggregating CP with someone else it’s difficult to make a deal that makes us better and helps their cap situation (long term) without us giving up youth and/or depth.

Dragic/KO is almost $7m short, but we have no one in that salary range. JJ/Waiters/Leonard is the deal that is closest to a perfect match salary wise, but I can’t see why they’d be interested.

So, we’re left needing a 3rd team, which was part of the problem when talks first happened.

[MadD23]

Bogus insider accounts tbh. I do have to say, although no longer elite overall, CP3 is still an elite game manager, pick and roll player and great all around playmaker even in the scoring department. We are so spoiled that most fans in here wouldn't appreciate a lineup of:

CP3/Nunn
Butler/Herro
Winslow/KZ
KO/DJJ/JJ
Bam/Leonard

If Bam or Winslow break out. You’re talking about arguably the 3rd best team the Heat has ever fielded (on paper, I believe they are more talented than the Zo/Timmy led teams). At the very least we are top 4 team, being led by 2 of the most competitive high IQ guys in the league in an open East. That opportunity doesn’t present itself very often. We would have an intelligent offense and a scrappy defense. Sure, we can hope for for Giannis and wait for the uncertainty of Beal but you’re spoiled rotten if adding CP3 into the mix doesn't excite you after these recent seasons.

I am not too big on waiting for that 2021 free agency season. I believe we'll be better off making trades and drafting to continue trending up. If we get a first round pick back from OKC, and also a second, make it happen. Send them Dragic and KO. If we keep other young assets like Winslow, Bam and DJJ plus that first round pick, we'll have the bullets to hunt for that 3rd star and still be able to keep Herro and one of the other young studs. And yes, with CP3 we could make some serious noise in the East next season.

The huge issue with CP3 is our cap situation. We’re still precariously close to the hard cap and can’t take back much apart from what we send out. Even aggregating CP with someone else it’s difficult to make a deal that makes us better and helps their cap situation (long term) without us giving up youth and/or depth.

Dragic/KO is almost $7m short, but we have no one in that salary range. JJ/Waiters/Leonard is the deal that is closest to a perfect match salary wise, but I can’t see why they’d be interested.

So, we’re left needing a 3rd team, which was part of the problem when talks first happened.

Did not realize the salary difference was 7 mil. Maybe Dragic, JJ and Leonard might do the trick. That's 2 expiring salaries right there. With a third team involved, we might be able to send more salary than what we receive back in CP3. That'll give us the ability to ad another vet or a couple of minimum salary players under the hard cap. What makes this situation interesting, is that first rounder we can gain aside from a star PG who is still one of the best in the league.

[puppa bear]

I am not too big on waiting for that 2021 free agency season. I believe we'll be better off making trades and drafting to continue trending up. If we get a first round pick back from OKC, and also a second, make it happen. Send them Dragic and KO. If we keep other young assets like Winslow, Bam and DJJ plus that first round pick, we'll have the bullets to hunt for that 3rd star and still be able to keep Herro and one of the other young studs. And yes, with CP3 we could make some serious noise in the East next season.

The huge issue with CP3 is our cap situation. We’re still precariously close to the hard cap and can’t take back much apart from what we send out. Even aggregating CP with someone else it’s difficult to make a deal that makes us better and helps their cap situation (long term) without us giving up youth and/or depth.

Dragic/KO is almost $7m short, but we have no one in that salary range. JJ/Waiters/Leonard is the deal that is closest to a perfect match salary wise, but I can’t see why they’d be interested.

So, we’re left needing a 3rd team, which was part of the problem when talks first happened.

Did not realize the salary difference was 7 mil. Maybe Dragic, JJ and Leonard might do the trick. That's 2 expiring salaries right there. With a third team involved, we might be able to send more salary than what we receive back in CP3. That'll give us the ability to ad another vet or a couple of minimum salary players under the hard cap. What makes this situation interesting, is that first rounder we can gain aside from a star PG who is still one of the best in the league.

It has us saving $7.5m which is a nice chunk of cap space. If someone can absorb most of Roberson or half of Schroeder then OKC can come out salary neutral as well - not sure they want to part with either of them though.

[puppa bear]

Also, Beasley back on the market - waived by Pistons.

4th times a chalm - I’ve still got my Beasley #30 jersey.


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[Feel_the_Heat15]

Found a way to get Herro 20+ minutes per game.

Dragic(28)/Waiters(20)
Butler(33)/Herro(15)
Winslow(29)/Jones Jr.(14)/Herro(5)
Olynyk(12)/James Johnson(24)/Jones Jr(12)
Adebayo(32)/Olynyk(16)

[Beenie]

Bogus insider accounts tbh. I do have to say, although no longer elite overall, CP3 is still an elite game manager, pick and roll player and great all around playmaker even in the scoring department. We are so spoiled that most fans in here wouldn't appreciate a lineup of:

CP3/Nunn
Butler/Herro
Winslow/KZ
KO/DJJ/JJ
Bam/Leonard

If Bam or Winslow break out. You’re talking about arguably the 3rd best team the Heat has ever fielded (on paper, I believe they are more talented than the Zo/Timmy led teams). At the very least we are top 4 team, being led by 2 of the most competitive high IQ guys in the league in an open East. That opportunity doesn’t present itself very often. We would have an intelligent offense and a scrappy defense. Sure, we can hope for for Giannis and wait for the uncertainty of Beal but you’re spoiled rotten if adding CP3 into the mix doesn't excite you after these recent seasons.

I am not too big on waiting for that 2021 free agency season. I believe we'll be better off making trades and drafting to continue trending up. If we get a first round pick back from OKC, and also a second, make it happen. Send them Dragic and KO. If we keep other young assets like Winslow, Bam and DJJ plus that first round pick, we'll have the bullets to hunt for that 3rd star and still be able to keep Herro and one of the other young studs. And yes, with CP3 we could make some serious noise in the East next season.

The huge issue with CP3 is our cap situation. We’re still precariously close to the hard cap and can’t take back much apart from what we send out. Even aggregating CP with someone else it’s difficult to make a deal that makes us better and helps their cap situation (long term) without us giving up youth and/or depth.

Dragic/KO is almost $7m short, but we have no one in that salary range. JJ/Waiters/Leonard is the deal that is closest to a perfect match salary wise, but I can’t see why they’d be interested.

So, we’re left needing a 3rd team, which was part of the problem when talks first happened.

What's the exact amount of what Mia can take back salary wise before they are hard capped?

[MadD23]

I am not too big on waiting for that 2021 free agency season. I believe we'll be better off making trades and drafting to continue trending up. If we get a first round pick back from OKC, and also a second, make it happen. Send them Dragic and KO. If we keep other young assets like Winslow, Bam and DJJ plus that first round pick, we'll have the bullets to hunt for that 3rd star and still be able to keep Herro and one of the other young studs. And yes, with CP3 we could make some serious noise in the East next season.

The huge issue with CP3 is our cap situation. We’re still precariously close to the hard cap and can’t take back much apart from what we send out. Even aggregating CP with someone else it’s difficult to make a deal that makes us better and helps their cap situation (long term) without us giving up youth and/or depth.

Dragic/KO is almost $7m short, but we have no one in that salary range. JJ/Waiters/Leonard is the deal that is closest to a perfect match salary wise, but I can’t see why they’d be interested.

So, we’re left needing a 3rd team, which was part of the problem when talks first happened.

What's the exact amount of what Mia can take back salary wise before they are hard capped?

I believe is a little less than a million at this moment.

[HeatIn5]

Bogus insider accounts tbh. I do have to say, although no longer elite overall, CP3 is still an elite game manager, pick and roll player and great all around playmaker even in the scoring department. We are so spoiled that most fans in here wouldn't appreciate a lineup of:

CP3/Nunn
Butler/Herro
Winslow/KZ
KO/DJJ/JJ
Bam/Leonard

If Bam or Winslow break out. You’re talking about arguably the 3rd best team the Heat has ever fielded (on paper, I believe they are more talented than the Zo/Timmy led teams). At the very least we are top 4 team, being led by 2 of the most competitive high IQ guys in the league in an open East. That opportunity doesn’t present itself very often. We would have an intelligent offense and a scrappy defense. Sure, we can hope for for Giannis and wait for the uncertainty of Beal but you’re spoiled rotten if adding CP3 into the mix doesn't excite you after these recent seasons.

You’re forgetting that great Bol Bol team

[Beenie]

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Interesting. Mia could, in theory, trade Dragic and get a little bit of cap relief so that in a separate deal for CP3 the salaries wouldn't have to be so exact.

[twix2500]

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[caliban]

Good on Winslow. It's now or never. No time for caution.

[MadD23]

If they trade for Paul he must get ready to come off the bench then. I like him at PG, but he should know that's not a given at this point. The sample with him at PG is too small for him to think the Heat has to play him at that position.

[Mos_Heat]

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Very very doubtful

[puppa bear]

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Very very doubtful

305 stirring up lots of drama on Twitter - dropping hints and whatnot, then walking it back.

Basically, Riley’s back on the job trying to get the roster into shape. He’s not going to get screwed over, as he’s got time and doesn’t have to bend like during the Jimmy deal. Nothing that an educated Heat fan can’t infer from just knowing the lie of the NBA landscape.

[AirP.]

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Very very doubtful

Why? It may have a bad contract attached to it since most teams probably have to match salary.

[Beenie]

Heat have signed Mychal Mulder

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