could elena delle donne play in the nba?

[RCM88x]

Eh, she could probably manage to contribute offensively in some specific situations, but those situations would probably be pretty limited. I certianly would consider her offensive skills to be NBA level, if that makes sense..

That makes absolutely no sense.

She could make shots in an empty NBA gym. That's about the extent of her being NBA level.

If you put her skills in the average NBA players body that player would probably be an NBA player, that's what I mean.

[Duke4life831]

She couldn't make a Division 1 college team. The FG% and 3pt% don't mean anything. Nothing about those numbers translate at all to this level of competition. David Moretti is 6'3 and just shot 46% from 3 and 92% from the line for Texas Tech, he ain't going to be playing in the NBA.

If Grayson Allen stepped foot on a WNBA court, he would be the GOAT with the biggest gap to 2nd place compared to any other sport.

University of Delaware is a Division I team. She played for that team, averaging over 26 ppg as a freshman. She was good enough to be recruited by Connecticut and get the scholarship—she left for personal reasons. And before anyone says Delaware doesn’t put out good athletes, Rich Gannon and Joe Flacco have done quite well for themselves in the NFL, 2 of the 29 from that school to get to the NFL.

Still has no chance in the NBA though.

I'm really confused by this post. Do you think she was good enough to play for Connecticut men's basketball but played for Delaware men's instead? If not I don't get this post at all because I really don't think I need to qualify that an all time great WNBA player was good enough to play for Women's Division 1 basketball. I thought it was crystal clear I was talking about men's division 1.

[clyde21]

here we go again... do people just look at the stats without watching the game nowdays

Eh, she could probably manage to contribute offensively in some specific situations, but those situations would probably be pretty limited. I certianly would consider her offensive skills to be NBA level, if that makes sense. However obviously athletically, and defensively she would just have no chance. Which is kinda the case with a lot of players out there. They can put the ball in the hoop, or make some nice passes, but everywhere else they're not NBA level and therefore aren't in the league.

Unlikely a Brittany Griner, she's not almost entirely reliant on her size and athleticism to play at that level, she's an extremely skilled player too, which makes it a big more plausible for her to be able to "play" in the NBA.

she couldnt even get her shot off most of the time. contribute in specific situations? only one situation... if she didnt have defender on her.

Which is more than a good number of NBA players. And heck, she's like 6'4" or 6'5", why wouldn't she be able to get shots off? She's basically slightly below average NBA height. I think she could contribute if all she had to do was stand on the perimeter and shoot or pass. But obviously being an NBA player requires infinitely more than that.

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getting shots off is a lot more than just having height...how many NBA players can't get their shots off today despite having height? you should know this.

[dc]

Eh, she could probably manage to contribute offensively in some specific situations, but those situations would probably be pretty limited. I certianly would consider her offensive skills to be NBA level, if that makes sense..

That makes absolutely no sense.

She could make shots in an empty NBA gym. That's about the extent of her being NBA level.

If you put her skills in the average NBA players body that player would probably be an NBA player, that's what I mean.

There's literally thousands of men you could say the same thing for who are skilled but simply lack the strength/speed/athleticism to play in the NBA.

She just happens to be even further down the line in the strength/speed/athleticism areas.

[RCM88x]

That makes absolutely no sense.

She could make shots in an empty NBA gym. That's about the extent of her being NBA level.

If you put her skills in the average NBA players body that player would probably be an NBA player, that's what I mean.

There's literally thousands of men you could say the same thing for who are skilled but simply lack the strength/speed/athleticism to play in the NBA.

She just happens to be even further down the line in the strength/speed/athleticism areas.

Which is exactly why I said skills.

[post]

i think she'd have the best chance of any woman basketball player in history

Fans constantly underestimate "level of competition" ... we just won't even be able to start to draw any conclusions until a woman steps up and actually manages to hold her own against men at high-school, then college, then FIBA/G-League.

Gotta crawl before you can walk ...

wnba teams have played scrimmages against men's teams that have 3 divison 1 men's college players and the men only won by a couple points

wnba teams have also played scrimmage games against men that had tyus jones who now plays in the nba for minnesota. other scrimmages had players who were trying out for european teams and g league teams

the basic point is the women regularly practice against men, some of whom range from division 1 to borderline g league players and one known case of an nba player

anyway, it's interesting to see people's opinions. there's obviously a very wide variety of opinion out there as to what men delle donne should be compared to, ranging from high school kids to all three divisions of college basketball to at best an nba level shooter with defensive liabilities

i have no definitive opinion on the issue. i'd pay money to see her play some of the really bad nba bums who don't belong in the league. maybe she could beat them out and become a poor man's steve kerr in the nba. if she can't cut it, oh well, maybe some chick in the future will

[dc]

Which is exactly why I said skills.

She has one skill which she is clearly very good at that could translate to the men's level: shooting FTs and probably shooting shots where she is completely unguarded. I'll definitely give her that.

Outside of this, there is nothing about her skill set that stands out compared to men who play at an organized level. Every year, there are droves of far more skilled mens players who will get cut from NBA teams after 1 week of training camp.

[RCM88x]

here we go again... do people just look at the stats without watching the game nowdays


she couldnt even get her shot off most of the time. contribute in specific situations? only one situation... if she didnt have defender on her.

Which is more than a good number of NBA players. And heck, she's like 6'4" or 6'5", why wouldn't she be able to get shots off? She's basically slightly below average NBA height. I think she could contribute if all she had to do was stand on the perimeter and shoot or pass. But obviously being an NBA player requires infinitely more than that.

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getting shots off is a lot more than just having height...how many NBA players can't get their shots off today despite having height? you should know this.

Well obviously if you put her in isolation at the top of the key she would have a hard time. But have her camp in the corner or back behind the 3pt line and she probably would get more shots off than not. If guys like Mark Price, Rondo and Jameer Nelson can get shots off in the NBA, I think Delle Donne could too in certain situations.

Not like I think she's gonna be Allen Iverson. But the idea she could never even get a shot in the air is just silly.

[Duke4life831]

i have no problem with whoever identifying as whatever they want, but at some point reality needs to kick in, and sports is one of them.

and really stuff like this hurts biological women the most if we're being frank...

Yeah in sports competition it becomes a touchy area especially when it comes to one on one sports like wrestling, MMA and boxing, where the conversation has to be honest because someone could get seriously injured. Glad I don't have to make decisions like that.

ehh, not to sound too insensitive, but it's not a hard decision, they're more than welcome to identify as they please and I respect that, but that doesn't mean we have to warp reality and millions of years of evolution to accommodate it. plastic surgery and hormone adjustments don't change the fact that biological males are born with different bone density, muscle mass, different cell and skeletal structures, etc.

and again, allowing biological males to participate in women competitions only undermines the biological women themselves who have been working their entire lives at that particular sport.

this is a new study which explains it further:

"Science demonstrates that high adult levels of testosterone, as well as permanent testosterone effects on male physiology during in utero and early development, provides a performance advantage in sport and that much of this male physiology is not mitigated by the transition to a transwoman," she says.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190723092111.htm

Ya I don't think it's a hard decision at all. Should a man be able to transition and compete in women's mma? I don't think that is a tough question at all, absolutely not. It's not just an unfair competitive advantage in a sport like MMA, you're putting women at serious risk. Other sports like basketball, tennis, soccer and so on, there is no major physical risk (on the same level as a physical sport like MMA). But there is a reason sports are separated by gender, there is a clear biological gap physically and athletically. Just because someone identifies a certain way, it doesn't change their biological advantages. Even when they take the hormones, it doesn't make it an even competition.

[Duke4life831]

i think she'd have the best chance of any woman basketball player in history

Fans constantly underestimate "level of competition" ... we just won't even be able to start to draw any conclusions until a woman steps up and actually manages to hold her own against men at high-school, then college, then FIBA/G-League.

Gotta crawl before you can walk ...

wnba teams have played scrimmages against men's teams that have 3 divison 1 men's college players and the men only won by a couple points

wnba teams have also played scrimmage games against men that had tyus jones who now plays in the nba for minnesota. other scrimmages had players who were trying out for european teams and g league teams

the basic point is the women regularly practice against men, some of whom range from division 1 to borderline g league players and one known case of an nba player

anyway, it's interesting to see people's opinions. there's obviously a very wide variety of opinion out there as to what men delle donne should be compared to, ranging from high school kids to all three divisions of college basketball to at best an nba level shooter with defensive liabilities

i have no definitive opinion on the issue. i'd pay money to see her play some of the really bad nba bums who don't belong in the league. maybe she could beat them out and become a poor man's steve kerr in the nba. if she can't cut it, oh well, maybe some chick in the future will

There is no argument for this. You are doing her a massive disservice by trying to compare her to an NBA level player, because there is no comparison and if you are honest about the conversation nba level players blow her out of the water.

Her shooting numbers mean absolutely nothing because of the smaller ball and small and unathletic defense she plays against. I'm sorry but there isn't even a debate or discussion on "if" she can be a poor man's Steve Kerr or cut it as an end of the bench NBA player. This is not a realistic conversation in any sense of the word.

[clyde21]

Yeah in sports competition it becomes a touchy area especially when it comes to one on one sports like wrestling, MMA and boxing, where the conversation has to be honest because someone could get seriously injured. Glad I don't have to make decisions like that.

ehh, not to sound too insensitive, but it's not a hard decision, they're more than welcome to identify as they please and I respect that, but that doesn't mean we have to warp reality and millions of years of evolution to accommodate it. plastic surgery and hormone adjustments don't change the fact that biological males are born with different bone density, muscle mass, different cell and skeletal structures, etc.

and again, allowing biological males to participate in women competitions only undermines the biological women themselves who have been working their entire lives at that particular sport.

this is a new study which explains it further:

"Science demonstrates that high adult levels of testosterone, as well as permanent testosterone effects on male physiology during in utero and early development, provides a performance advantage in sport and that much of this male physiology is not mitigated by the transition to a transwoman," she says.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190723092111.htm

Ya I don't think it's a hard decision at all. Should a man be able to transition and compete in women's mma? I don't think that is a tough question at all, absolutely not. It's not just an unfair competitive advantage in a sport like MMA, you're putting women at serious risk. Other sports like basketball, tennis, soccer and so on, there is no major physical risk (on the same level as a physical sport like MMA). But there is a reason sports are separated by gender, there is a clear biological gap physically and athletically. Just because someone identifies a certain way, it doesn't change their biological advantages. Even when they take the hormones, it doesn't make it an even competition.

yea...and even within gender divisions we have divisions by weight/height for a reason...you're not gonna put a heavyweight in the same ring as a featherweight (even if the heavyweight identifies as a featherweight lol)...that's not being insensitive that's just understanding the reality of the situation.

[Jabroni Lames]

The most likely way a woman is going to get a chance to crack an NBA lineup is if she can develop Steph Curry-like unlimited shooting range and crazy handles to compensate for the reduced athleticism. Even then, she's probably going to need to be in the top 99 percentile of athletic ability for women. Possible... yes. Likely... no.

[clyde21]

Which is more than a good number of NBA players. And heck, she's like 6'4" or 6'5", why wouldn't she be able to get shots off? She's basically slightly below average NBA height. I think she could contribute if all she had to do was stand on the perimeter and shoot or pass. But obviously being an NBA player requires infinitely more than that.

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getting shots off is a lot more than just having height...how many NBA players can't get their shots off today despite having height? you should know this.

Well obviously if you put her in isolation at the top of the key she would have a hard time. But have her camp in the corner or back behind the 3pt line and she probably would get more shots off than not. If guys like Mark Price, Rondo and Jameer Nelson can get shots off in the NBA, I think Delle Donne could too in certain situations.

Not like I think she's gonna be Allen Iverson. But the idea she could never even get a shot in the air is just silly.

good thing the question in the OP wasn't 'do you think Delle Donne could get a shot off in the NBA' then huh?

[Duke4life831]

ehh, not to sound too insensitive, but it's not a hard decision, they're more than welcome to identify as they please and I respect that, but that doesn't mean we have to warp reality and millions of years of evolution to accommodate it. plastic surgery and hormone adjustments don't change the fact that biological males are born with different bone density, muscle mass, different cell and skeletal structures, etc.

and again, allowing biological males to participate in women competitions only undermines the biological women themselves who have been working their entire lives at that particular sport.

this is a new study which explains it further:



https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190723092111.htm

Ya I don't think it's a hard decision at all. Should a man be able to transition and compete in women's mma? I don't think that is a tough question at all, absolutely not. It's not just an unfair competitive advantage in a sport like MMA, you're putting women at serious risk. Other sports like basketball, tennis, soccer and so on, there is no major physical risk (on the same level as a physical sport like MMA). But there is a reason sports are separated by gender, there is a clear biological gap physically and athletically. Just because someone identifies a certain way, it doesn't change their biological advantages. Even when they take the hormones, it doesn't make it an even competition.

yea...and even within gender divisions we have divisions by weight/height for a reason...you're not gonna put a heavyweight in the same ring as a featherweight (even if the heavyweight identifies as a featherweight lol)...that's not being insensitive that's just understanding the reality of the situation.

Yup. They don't just do this stuff for fun and whistles. They do this for safety and fairness. If anyone thinks this is a tough decision I suggest to go look up Fallon Fox. Had a daughter, was in the Navy then decided to transition and become a MMA fighter with practically no formal training. Went on to be 6-1 with some truly brutal knock outs. There is a fight where she just rag dolls her opponent for 30 seconds then brutally knocks her out with a knee to the face. That opponent didn't even know Fox used to be a man.

[InsideInfo]

LiAngelo Ball has not been able to make an NBA roster or even a summer league.

Now ask yourself... Would he be the best player in the WNBA?

There is your answer.

[RCM88x]

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getting shots off is a lot more than just having height...how many NBA players can't get their shots off today despite having height? you should know this.

Well obviously if you put her in isolation at the top of the key she would have a hard time. But have her camp in the corner or back behind the 3pt line and she probably would get more shots off than not. If guys like Mark Price, Rondo and Jameer Nelson can get shots off in the NBA, I think Delle Donne could too in certain situations.

Not like I think she's gonna be Allen Iverson. But the idea she could never even get a shot in the air is just silly.

good thing the question in the OP wasn't 'do you think Delle Donne could get a shot off in the NBA' then huh?

Well I never actually said she could. You brought getting a shot off up.

I said she could maybe contribute in very specific situations considering her skillet. But obviously isn't capable of being an NBA player.

[mixerball]

here we go again... do people just look at the stats without watching the game nowdays

Eh, she could probably manage to contribute offensively in some specific situations, but those situations would probably be pretty limited. I certianly would consider her offensive skills to be NBA level, if that makes sense. However obviously athletically, and defensively she would just have no chance. Which is kinda the case with a lot of players out there. They can put the ball in the hoop, or make some nice passes, but everywhere else they're not NBA level and therefore aren't in the league.

Unlikely a Brittany Griner, she's not almost entirely reliant on her size and athleticism to play at that level, she's an extremely skilled player too, which makes it a big more plausible for her to be able to "play" in the NBA.

she couldnt even get her shot off most of the time. contribute in specific situations? only one situation... if she didnt have defender on her.

Which is more than a good number of NBA players. And heck, she's like 6'4" or 6'5", why wouldn't she be able to get shots off? She's basically slightly below average NBA height. I think she could contribute if all she had to do was stand on the perimeter and shoot or pass. But obviously being an NBA player requires infinitely more than that.

being a proffesional player anywhere in the world requires more than that.

so if she could stand alone unguarded she could play in the nba?

im not gonna even guess what you meant to say with your first sentence.
why wouldn't she be able to get shots off?
when i was 15 playing basketball for our club we were training in the same gym as womens pro basketball team. they were champions in our country. so we had a training game. five minutes into the game and we had to play for the rest of the game with our hands behind our backs in defense. in those first 5 minutes they couldnt get a shot of at all. and even after that we beat them so easily you could see it was very discouraging for them. their height didnt matter. and most of tem were great shooters.
the difference in athleticism is enormous.

any(slowest) nba player can lock down elena. why would you think she would be alone anywhere on the court.

[post]

Fans constantly underestimate "level of competition" ... we just won't even be able to start to draw any conclusions until a woman steps up and actually manages to hold her own against men at high-school, then college, then FIBA/G-League.

Gotta crawl before you can walk ...

wnba teams have played scrimmages against men's teams that have 3 divison 1 men's college players and the men only won by a couple points

wnba teams have also played scrimmage games against men that had tyus jones who now plays in the nba for minnesota. other scrimmages had players who were trying out for european teams and g league teams

the basic point is the women regularly practice against men, some of whom range from division 1 to borderline g league players and one known case of an nba player

anyway, it's interesting to see people's opinions. there's obviously a very wide variety of opinion out there as to what men delle donne should be compared to, ranging from high school kids to all three divisions of college basketball to at best an nba level shooter with defensive liabilities

i have no definitive opinion on the issue. i'd pay money to see her play some of the really bad nba bums who don't belong in the league. maybe she could beat them out and become a poor man's steve kerr in the nba. if she can't cut it, oh well, maybe some chick in the future will

There is no argument for this. You are doing her a massive disservice by trying to compare her to an NBA level player, because there is no comparison and if you are honest about the conversation nba level players blow her out of the water.

Her shooting numbers mean absolutely nothing because of the smaller ball and small and unathletic defense she plays against. I'm sorry but there isn't even a debate or discussion on "if" she can be a poor man's Steve Kerr or cut it as an end of the bench NBA player. This is not a realistic conversation in any sense of the word.

ok, there's no debate in your opinion, but everybody keeps debating it

i don't have anything else to add at this point i haven't already said. i've provided a lot of information quite a few people probably weren't familiar with and they can make up their own mind

i'll just point out david stern said 10 years ago there's a good possibility a woman will play in the nba within ten years. well 10 years later delle donne has a historic season. lebron said ten years ago it would take longer than 10 years for a woman to make it in the nba. everyone who think it's not going to happen/that they have a higher basketball iq than lebron is probably in some kind of denial

[dc]

LiAngelo Ball has not been able to make an NBA roster or even a summer league.

Now ask yourself... Would he be the best player in the WNBA?

There is your answer.

Take any basketball player that has ever been invited to an NBA training camp and has been cut within the 1st week of camp. Any such player would be the greatest player in WNBA history.

That's why nobody watches the WNBA.

[PlatinumState]

Wow 9 pages of a nonsense hypothetical. Preseason cant come fast enough