Justise Winslow to be the Heat’s starting PG

MrDollarBills · Post #21 » by **MrDollarBills** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:47 pm

I was looking at the thread title like "uh...no ****?".

Cookin Baskets · Post #22 » by **Cookin Baskets** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:17 pm

clyde21 wrote:
My Main Man wrote:How in the world is that dude on TV talking about basketball? That was rough.

ESPN just keeps getting worse and worse

Yea ESPN used to be so awesome like 10 years ago or more. It actual had content worth watching and the programs were actually good. They really got lazy and now they keep giving us the same thing,kind of like video game monopoly known as Madden. Disney basically has a monopoly on sports now owning espn and fox sports(which will probably be just part of espn), so competition is weak so they don't have to put forth as much effort as they could because they are the only game in town when comes to National 24/7 sports coverage.

Johnny Bball · Post #23 » by **Johnny Bball** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:19 pm

Dragic was hurt over half the season right? What... they are going to have Dragic come off the bench? I don't see that being the best option, he's not that old, but ok.

Post #24 » by **BBallFreak** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:24 pm

giberish wrote:If Dragic is starting (with Winslow and Butler), isn't claiming Winslow to be the starting PG much like the Spurs claiming Matt Bonner was their starting center and Duncan a PF?

Not if he's initiating the offense most of the time. But personally, as you allude to in the second part, I see him coming off the bench.

If Dragic isn't starting (and there's a strong case that having him dominate the ball with bench lineups is a good plan), then who is the 3rd perimeter starter for Miami? Waiters? Some SF I've forgotten?

Waiters, Derrick Jones Jr., Tyler Herro, KZ Okpala...whoever wins the job. I would imagine it will be Waiters. He could be a very good compliment to Butler and Winslow and is finally in shape, though I could see Herro taking the role later in the year.

This is what I expect the depth chart to look like:

Pg: Winslow / Dragic
Sg: Waiters / Herro
Sf: Butler / Jones Jr.
Pf: Olynyk / Johnson
Cc: Adebayo / Leonard

Not thrilled with our frontcourt, but overall I think the roster will do...

Post #25 » by **BBallFreak** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:25 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:Dragic was hurt over half the season right? What... they are going to have Dragic come off the bench? I don't see that being the best option, he's not that old, but ok.

What's wrong with that?

Manu Ginobili came off the bench most of his career.

phanman · Post #26 » by **phanman** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:43 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:Dragic was hurt over half the season right? What... they are going to have Dragic come off the bench? I don't see that being the best option, he's not that old, but ok.

Probably has to do with the fact he is entering the first year of his 3 year extension @13m/year and Dragic is a 19m expiring who will be most definitely be shopped at the trade deadline. The defensive upside of having Justise, Jimmy and James in the starting unit will do wonders for this Heat team to develop a defensive identity from the jump.

Taking a look at their roster make-up, Dragic's scoring will be much needed with the 2nd unit too.

ellobo · Post #27 » by **ellobo** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:56 pm

I recall that the Heat actually had Winslow running a lot of pick and rolls in the Orlando summer league before his rookie season and being impressed with how good he was at it.

The_Hater · Post #28 » by **The_Hater** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:18 am

Just wondering if you’re guessing about Winslow starting at PG or the Heat have announced that as a fact? They haven’t even started training camp and Dragic seems to be back healthy again.

I wouldn’t be that surprised if they start Dragic, Butler and Winslow on the perimeter. The other option seems to be Waiters who hasn’t been overly reliable for...ever. Regardless, I suspect the Heat play Dragic and Winslow together a lot this season and they probably finish games together.

Heat4lyf · Post #29 » by **Heat4lyf** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:32 am

limbo wrote:So what will Dragic do? Stand on the three point line while Winslow and Butler stroke the ball? Play backup PG to Winslow?

Just trade my boy to the Lakers, let him have a good role and a chance to win a ring before he rides into the sunset.

Dragic when healthy last season was pretty much a sg and I imagine whether he starts or is a 6th man his role will be to look to score first and be a playmaker second

DCRYsing89 · Post #30 » by **DCRYsing89** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:47 am

What percentage you want him to get from 3?

On 4 3ptA per game last season he hit em at a 37.5% clip...

Post #31 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:56 am

DCRYsing89 wrote:What percentage you want him to get from 3?

On 4 3ptA per game last season he hit em at a 37.5% clip...

Yup and 38% on 2 attempts a game the year before. That is now two years of solid-good shooting from deep. He does need to improve his finishing at the rim and drastically improve his FT shooting.

KqWIN · Post #32 » by **KqWIN** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:28 am

I know there's always a push to give the ball more to young players...but after looking a little bit closer there's not a ton encouraging backing to this. This might not be the right path for his development. The Heat were bad offensively in these lineups, he was not efficient, he's ineffective at scoring at the basket, and the one area that's showing promise is off the ball (spot up shooting).

If it were up to me, I'd be developing him as a spot up guy and expand his game into the playmaking 4+grab and go skillset. Don't think he's ever going to be a guy you want to be running a lot of PnR's or creating off the bounce in half court.

Scalabrine · Post #33 » by **Scalabrine** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:31 am

While I think the Heat are probably best with Dragic at point guard if he's healthy... I do kind of like the idea of Dragic off the bench in a super 6th man role if he'd allow it.

At the same time, having Winslow off the bench to run the second unit with James Johnson as the other point forward makes sense too.

BallerTalk · Post #34 » by **BallerTalk** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:10 am

draftnightsuit wrote:
And ESPN is a joke.

clyde21 wrote: Nichols and Freidel are morons...

Post #35 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:38 am

I love how giving the PG moniker to someone makes the fans and media of the team think he's somehow much more special. Jimmy Butler is going to have the ball way more, so who cares what they are listed at on the depth chart.

dhsilv2 · Post #36 » by **dhsilv2** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:47 am

So the one girl I've seen before...and yes she's a moron. I don't even know who the other two are. What the hell is wrong with ESPN? I know they can't afford talent anymore but they can't even get their trash people to be known? Seriously....

Oh and sure yeah he can be a point or whatever. There are no positions in basketball. There is HOWEVER a point and he can run that.

Post #37 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:03 am

Cookin Baskets wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
My Main Man wrote:How in the world is that dude on TV talking about basketball? That was rough.

ESPN just keeps getting worse and worse

Yea ESPN used to be so awesome like 10 years ago or more. It actual had content worth watching and the programs were actually good. They really got lazy and now they keep giving us the same thing,kind of like video game monopoly known as Madden. Disney basically has a monopoly on sports now owning espn and fox sports(which will probably be just part of espn), so competition is weak so they don't have to put forth as much effort as they could because they are the only game in town when comes to National 24/7 sports coverage.

Fox Sports and Fox News weren't part of the Disney acquisition IIRC. ESPN just out there sucking on their own :lol:

udfa · Post #38 » by **udfa** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:56 am

I really like this Miami team as a darkhorse in the East. Winslow is going to be a good player in the league for a long time. Butler is a top-5 player in the East. Adebayo will be a much better starting center for them than Whiteside. Waiters has supposedly done a lot of work this offseason. Plus Herro is a good pick for All-Rookie and gives them shooting which they need. Everyone is healthy. That is a lot of positive improvements for this team.

Village Idiot · Post #39 » by **Village Idiot** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:48 pm

I don't see what this has to do with the Lebron, the Lakers, Warriors, Houston or New York City. Surprised they even bother to talk about other teams. Truly a slow off-season when ESPN deigns to inspect the crap on the bottom of their shoes.

Buzzard · Post #40 » by **Buzzard** » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:58 pm

Rachel has gotten odder as she has aged and her co-host usually try and level things out after one of her rants. Winslow, Butler, Dragic are going to be a very deliberate and good defensive team. That is the Heat's MO but I think Butler is going to get frustrated with the lack of offensive help. Getting frustrated with teammates is also his MO.

The Heat will be a good test for a young Hawks team that has them three times in the first ten games. Trae and company could be a good early test of Jimmy Butler's patience as well.