Haywhere does Hayward Finish This Season?

[MagicBagley18]

he can return to all star form and still average less than 22 ppg and i predict he will

[LuckyLeprechaun]

My guess is on another team.

This is my thinking. Let's trade him for a couple of up and coming players.
I don't think that he'll get back to Utah form. The clock is ticking on him, in any event.

If he doesn't step up, it will be very hard to trade him. No team wants to pay max money to a role player and Danny is unlikely to give up assets just to dump him. I just have a hard time seeing these scenarios where we get back valuable young players for him.

[OldCeltics]

Last season Hayward finished with the following stats:

In 72 games played (18 starts) 25.9min - 11.5pts - 4.2reb - 3.4ast - 0.9stl - 46.6%fg - 33.3%3pt

VS his last year in Utah

In 73 games played (73 starts) 34.5min - 21.9pts - 5.4reb - 3.5ast - 1stl - 47.1%fg - 39.8%3pt

So basically in his first year back after injury statswise he lost about 10ppg, a rebound pg, and his 3pt% dropped 6%.

Just for the sake of boredom, let’s get a prediction poll going for this season.

2016-17, PER 22.2, TS% .595, TRB% 9.0, AST% 18.2, STL% 1.5, BLK% 0.6, TOV% 9.4, USG% 27.6
2018-19, PER 15.6, TS% .575, TRB% 9.2, AST% 18.4, STL% 1.6, BLK% 1.1, TOV% 12.8, USG% 19.0

Honestly, the only thing different between last season and his Utah season is that for the time he was on the court last year he was taking 66% of the amount of shots he took at Utah. His 3% was down also but that's all he needs to improve.

All he needs to do this offseason is improve his 3%, Brad will get him more shots and minutes. I expect him to get back to at least 90% of Utah.

I'm thinking 18/5/4 in 31mpg

Exactly, all his #s are the same last year as when he was in Utah, besides ppg, and 3pt%. His assists, rbd rates are same, his fg% is still 47%.

The only thing different is he's getting less touches. He used to be #1 option, now he is #4.

Brown, Tatum, Walker, Kanter will all average 12-24 ppg. So with Hayward, expect the same exact #s, with slight 3pt % improvement, and maybe 2pts more in ppg.

[Triple7]

I think he returns to form, but won’t average utah hayward averages due to a loaded starting lineup. Definitely ways better than last year.

[Andrew McCeltic]

The way he’s talking now I think he’ll be 80-90 percent back, able to do most of what he did in Utah, apart from the most athletic bursts and dunks - and maybe better than ever moving off the ball, distributing, setting people up.

It’s still going to be a disappointment - we had a 25yo Kyrie and a 27yo Hayward for five minutes, now we have a 29yo Kemba and a 29yo Hayward..

We’ll be good, but unless one of the young guys becomes a star by January or Kanter has a Most Improved year with good defense, it’s hard to imagine us a real contender.

It’s possible we could really luck out on the trade market, I don’t know what Danny’s seeing on the board.

Lavine, Aaron Gordon, Myles Turner, Sabonis, Bamba, Tristan Thompson, Steven Adams, Drummond, Capela, Aldridge, Winslow, Beal are the big name/$ guys I can see being shipped around the league, but whether there’s a deal for us I don’t know.

[Triple7]

The way he’s talking now I think he’ll be 80-90 percent back, able to do most of what he did in Utah, apart from the most athletic bursts and dunks - and maybe better than ever moving off the ball, distributing, setting people up.

It’s still going to be a disappointment - we had a 25yo Kyrie and a 27yo Hayward for five minutes, now we have a 29yo Kemba and a 29yo Hayward..

We’ll be good, but unless one of the young guys becomes a star by January or Kanter has a Most Improved year with good defense, it’s hard to imagine us a real contender.

It’s possible we could really luck out on the trade market, I don’t know what Danny’s seeing on the board.

Lavine, Aaron Gordon, Myles Turner, Sabonis, Bamba, Tristan Thompson, Steven Adams, Drummond, Capela, Aldridge, Winslow, Beal are the big name/$ guys I can see being shipped around the league, but whether there’s a deal for us I don’t know.

I’ll pass on Lavine, tristan, aldridge and Winslow. The rest, depends on the deal.

[SichtingLives]

We’ll be good, but unless one of the young guys becomes a star by January or Kanter has a Most Improved year with good defense, it’s hard to imagine us a real contender.

I imagine a typical Stevens led hard playing overachiever that manages 48-52 wins and maybe wins a round or two in the playoffs. Kinda like every other year. True contenders in this league are tough to come by. Need an elite player plus an all-star plus maybe another all-star plus a good cast just to get a seat at the table.

[FlatearthZorro]

We’ll be good, but unless one of the young guys becomes a star by January or Kanter has a Most Improved year with good defense, it’s hard to imagine us a real contender.

I imagine a typical Stevens led hard playing overachiever that manages 48-52 wins and maybe wins a round or two in the playoffs. Kinda like every other year. True contenders in this league are tough to come by. Need an elite player plus an all-star plus maybe another all-star plus a good cast just to get a seat at the table.

Yea, sadly one of the really poor things about the NBA is the fact that teams struggle to contend. What I mean is there are 2-3 contenders and every other team is basically looking for a miracle. I guess since I've watched the NFL for some years now, you can point that the NFL gives fans more excitement cause a lottery team can turn contender in a year, which is very rare in the NBA(it could be because of the amount of people there is on 1 squad in the NFL)...

[FlatearthZorro]

The way he’s talking now I think he’ll be 80-90 percent back, able to do most of what he did in Utah, apart from the most athletic bursts and dunks - and maybe better than ever moving off the ball, distributing, setting people up.

It’s still going to be a disappointment - we had a 25yo Kyrie and a 27yo Hayward for five minutes, now we have a 29yo Kemba and a 29yo Hayward..

We’ll be good, but unless one of the young guys becomes a star by January or Kanter has a Most Improved year with good defense, it’s hard to imagine us a real contender.

It’s possible we could really luck out on the trade market, I don’t know what Danny’s seeing on the board.

Lavine, Aaron Gordon, Myles Turner, Sabonis, Bamba, Tristan Thompson, Steven Adams, Drummond, Capela, Aldridge, Winslow, Beal are the big name/$ guys I can see being shipped around the league, but whether there’s a deal for us I don’t know.

Bamba is really interesting, but I dunno what his deal is, I'm actually not as high on Turner as most people here are. He's really up and down and I don't see as much star/superstar potential as some here do, I think he's a really solid player. Sabonis is really skilled, but defense is Kanter-ish, he's way better rebounder than Turner and a much better player on offense, too. Thompson is trash, Adams' salary is too big so I doubt we will go after him(he's not worth his contract, imo and I like him). We don't need Capela either, Drummond has seemed LAZY. Beal is the only one I want but he will cost the world and more and I don't think he's the guy to take you there, he's the 2nd guy on a championship type team.

Overall, I'd take a chance on Sabonis. If his defense improves he's a really interesting player, tho he's pretty similar to Kanter and Enese is only what 3-4 years older, which is significant, but still.... I like Sabonis' potential more than Turner, tbh. Wonder what the Pacers will do cause I doubt they can pay Sabonis and Turner ~ 40 mils and then have over 40 in Oladipo and Malcolm. I think Sabonis has legit 20/10 potential with great passing and very skilled offensive game. Dunno how much he can improve defensively cause he's not a great athlete and his arms are super short.

Oh and last but not least, I wouldn't trade Hayward to the Pacers cause I think that would only help them. Hayward for Turner sounds reasonable, but I feel as if Hayward could go back to all-star shape and the Pacers would be a HUGE problem, while I don't think Turner improves us that much.

[FlatearthZorro]

Oh and I really wanted Danny to make a decision on either keeping Hayward or Brown before the season started. I don't like him keeping both too much, but I hope it works. We still have a huge log jam at the wing position with Semi on the squad and Langford(that's like what 5 SF/SG and that's not counting Smart and Edwards both of whom may/could play SG).

[LongTimeFan]

In the last game against Milwaukee there was a period where Haywood was running the offense and there was no defense they could put up. I never saw it again, but it was extremely effective. We were either getting layups by Haywood or open threes by shooters.

I wonder if Kyrie vetoed it? I'll have to ask my source.

I would not be surprised if he is somewhere between one and two. And the Celts add a very effective end of game play where Hayward is the lynch pin.

[FlatearthZorro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=Wo7XXT49aI4


Let's go. No restrictions.

[itrsteve]

I’m keeping a list of all you losers that want to trade him.

[sam_I_am]

I think Hayward returns to form this season. He was somewhat overrated in my opinion by many on this board when we signed him but regardless was still rated a top 30 player. We saw at end of last year that he has playmaking skills neither Jalen or Tatum possess. If he can be the confident and consistent scorer he was and regain 90% of his former defensive ability, he will be an all star again.

The big question is whether we should risk him opting out of his contract or trade him at deadline. Danny and Brad really need to get this right - can’t afford to lose another max player to free agency - we need to preserve that salary slot.

[itrsteve]

We should really look at this as a Per 36 rather than PPG.

Also, I’m not measuring him on hero ball. Efficiency and win shares will be what I look at the most.

[JJJgoat]

All reports saying Hayward's first in the gym. By not retreating to his comfort zone back home in San Diego, and finally putting in a full training camp of preparation in Boston is huge. He's going to better verging on great, but with the log jam, I don't see an all-star selection. However, after the trade deadline, he could be very well be freed up even more and reach another level. Fact is the only way is up, everything leading into this season is perfect, the table is set. Chip firmly on the shoulder. Let's go.

[ThirtyFour]

I’m keeping a list of all you losers that want to trade him.

Hope you kept that list in a safe place. lol:

[itrsteve]

I’m keeping a list of all you losers that want to trade him.

Hope you kept that list in a safe place. lol:

Ironically, the Hayward thread on our board was the main repository and it has been recently deleted.

[ThirtyFour]

I’m keeping a list of all you losers that want to trade him.

Hope you kept that list in a safe place. lol:

Ironically, the Hayward thread on our board was the main repository and it has been recently deleted.

I smell a conspiracy.

[brackdan70]

Probably MVP or maybe runner up.