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Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath

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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#61 » by dakomish23 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:06 am

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HarthorneWingo wrote:There’s gonna all this Frank vs DSJ debate stuff going on here during training camp and Fuzdale is going to start Payton. You watch.


High possibility of that. but Frank vs DSJ for the backup position would still be a thing.


I would prefer that Frank and Smith get most of those minutes with Payton as the safety valve.


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I couldn’t get one minute of them together even when they wear the same jersey. :lol:

If Frank brings the stretch ability, I def think they can play well off each other. Big if.
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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#62 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:12 am

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High possibility of that. but Frank vs DSJ for the backup position would still be a thing.


I would prefer that Frank and Smith get most of those minutes with Payton as the safety valve.


You are not alone.

I couldn’t get one minute of them together even whe they wear the same jersey. :lol:

If Frank brings the stretch ability, I def think they can play well off each other. Big if.


I've come to like Hahn's take of having them share the backcourt together. I didn't think so at first, but if Frank can build on what he did in FIBA and keep the defenses honest, we could sure use his defense on the starting unit. Our defense, particularly perimeter defense, was awful last season.

It could be a perfect ying/yang thing.
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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#63 » by blueNorange » Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:37 am

put 4 good passers in the lineup with robinson

robinson
randle
rj
frank
dsj
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6th - morris
porter
knox
dotson or trier
payton
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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#64 » by Juco24 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:20 am

What I like most is the fact that Frank is now CONFIDENT. The work he's put in is bringing back return. And the belief that he's capable of playing at a high level.
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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#65 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:56 am

blueNorange wrote:put 4 good passers in the lineup with robinson

robinson
randle
rj
frank
dsj
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6th - morris
porter
knox
dotson or trier
payton


You’re going to start RJ over Morris? No way that happens
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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#66 » by Fat Kat » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:12 pm

When it’s all said and done, what’s Frank’s career 3pt%? Over/under 32%?
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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#67 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:22 pm

Fat Kat wrote:When it’s all said and done, what’s Frank’s career 3pt%? Over/under 32%?


I don't think the six three pointers he's taken so far will weigh down the percentage on the next 3,000 threes he takes so I'm guessing 39%
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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#68 » by KnicksGadfly » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:08 pm

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Fat Kat wrote:When it’s all said and done, what’s Frank’s career 3pt%? Over/under 32%?


I don't think the six three pointers he's taken so far will weigh down the percentage on the next 3,000 threes he takes so I'm guessing 39%


If he shoots that well, it's gonna be hard not to start him.
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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#69 » by Nazrmohamed » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:12 pm

Juco24 wrote:What I like most is the fact that Frank is now CONFIDENT. The work he's put in is bringing back return. And the belief that he's capable of playing at a high level.


I agree to some extent but look at the factors which created it
- support- Frank was amongst guys who've watched, played with and helped in his development. Guys like Batum, Fournier and his coaching staff who all believe in him since they've known him since he was a teenager. That counts. I dont even believe that his Knicks teammates know what hes gonna do, where he likes the ball. And that's not to bash them. Most of them are simply trying to keep what they kill

- a tried system. Let's face it, nobody can definitively say WTH we were doing last year. We all hated the triangle but at least you could say, this is a playbook that I know but hate. I actually think Frank knew his role under Hornicek more than Fizz who simply threw anybody out there and told them "just be aggresive". I've said it before, by those standards JR Smith could walk onto the Knicks and be the best player on the team. It doesnt say much and could even as we speak have us overvaluing aggresive iso artists over system players
- Faith. The ability to watch a player **** the bed for the 1st 5 possessions and then allow him to recover. Even in this FIBA tournament there were stretches where Frank didnt play well but guess what? They had no choice and few of those games Frank recovered and even had a positive night. Some of the very nights we're praising Frank for. But that wont happen on the Knicks. Hes already on a short leash.


So my point is Frank could actually have gotten better and it still dont matter. Maybe too little too late and opinions already formed. But I gave those examples also knowing that some of that is on Frank. When you arent confident or aggressive you dont earn faith. Regardless of how good you feel Allanzo Trier is, we probably can all agree that we sorta know what his MO is. Hes gonna attack that basket with reckless abandon. Maybe that helps your system, maybe it dont but you can plug and play him based on what you know. Frank hasnt given anybody that level of certainty. The guy literally thinks it's acceptable to finish games taking 5 shots. And that's the other thing I've harped on. You simply cannot do anything in the league on 5 shots. 2 of 5 and you are a lousy shooter, 3 of 5 and you're a great shooter. On a night to night basis one should take enough shots that a one shot difference shouldnt drastically change how I feel about your night. Frank's gotta take shots, period. No less than 8. And that's sorta where he was at in FIBA. What scares me though is that's how much he took as the starter with the ball in his hands.

So we'll see. I'm rooting for Frank but I've always felt I've been honest about what his flaws are and what he needs to do and when he needed to do it. Had he been aggresive his first 2 yrs what's funny is he probably couldve built a reputation as a good player and then even if he sortve fell back into a supportive role people mightve felt like " well we know he can score but hes putting his own scoring aside from the team". Now they just think he sucks.
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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#70 » by robillionaire » Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:14 pm

This is his best Knicks scoring performance. French heritage night, I don’t think he even played in the first half. So we were getting blown out. He comes in the 3rd quarter and scores 18 on 7-11 shooting

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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#71 » by robillionaire » Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:15 pm

Maybe if we make every night French heritage night he will ball out
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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#72 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:36 pm

robillionaire wrote:This is his best Knicks scoring performance. French heritage night, I don’t think he even played in the first half. So we were getting blown out. He comes in the 3rd quarter and scores 18 on 7-11 shooting


So, I've looked at the play-by-play. Frank actually played 8 minutes and was 0-2 in the first half.

Didn't come in until 8.42 left in the 3rd. Goes 7-11 with 18pts in the next 10 minutes (up to 10.47 in the fourth). Guess what happens next?

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Frank turns the ball over once and picks up 2 fouls in the next 1min45sec - the second trying to stop a Tony Parker drive - gets the immediate hook from Fiz for the foul on TP (The Beetle comes in the seal the loss) - and never sees the floor again. :banghead:
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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#73 » by dakomish23 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:45 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
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I would prefer that Frank and Smith get most of those minutes with Payton as the safety valve.


You are not alone.

I couldn’t get one minute of them together even whe they wear the same jersey. :lol:

If Frank brings the stretch ability, I def think they can play well off each other. Big if.


I've come to like Hahn's take of having them share the backcourt together. I didn't think so at first, but if Frank can build on what he did in FIBA and keep the defenses honest, we could sure use his defense on the starting unit. Our defense, particularly perimeter defense, was awful last season.

It could be a perfect ying/yang thing.


Oh man. Hahn like that idea too. I might have to rethink it! :lol:

Then again, a broken clock...
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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#74 » by robillionaire » Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:46 pm

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
robillionaire wrote:This is his best Knicks scoring performance. French heritage night, I don’t think he even played in the first half. So we were getting blown out. He comes in the 3rd quarter and scores 18 on 7-11 shooting


So, I've looked at the play-by-play. Frank actually played 8 minutes and was 0-2 in the first half.

Didn't come in until 8.42 left in the 3rd. Goes 7-11 with 18pts in the next 10 minutes (up to 10.47 in the fourth). Guess what happens next?

Spoiler:
Frank turns the ball over once and picks up 2 fouls in the next 1min45sec - the second trying to stop a Tony Parker drive - gets the immediate hook from Fiz for the foul on TP (The Beetle comes in the seal the loss) - and never sees the floor again. :banghead:


Looking at the box score he actually fouled out of the game

Then when we were all good and hyped up it was revealed he was injured again in like the next game
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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#75 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:31 pm

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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#76 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:41 pm

robillionaire wrote:This is his best Knicks scoring performance. French heritage night, I don’t think he even played in the first half. So we were getting blown out. He comes in the 3rd quarter and scores 18 on 7-11 shooting



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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#77 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:47 pm

Fat Kat wrote:When it’s all said and done, what’s Frank’s career 3pt%? Over/under 32%?


I’m going with over. I think Frank’s shooting mechanics are sound and fluid and that the reason why he struggled so far is more about the lack of confidence. Playing with France in FIBA really helped him with that (and the hard work he’s obviously put in this offseason both on the court and in the weight room).


What about DSJ?
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Post#78 » by ITGM » Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:18 pm

Fat Kat wrote:When it’s all said and done, what’s Frank’s career 3pt%? Over/under 32%?


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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#79 » by malik959 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:31 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:When it’s all said and done, what’s Frank’s career 3pt%? Over/under 32%?


I’m going with over. I think Frank’s shooting mechanics are sound and fluid and that the reason why he struggled so far is more about the lack of confidence. Playing with France in FIBA really helped him with that (and the hard work he’s obviously put in this offseason both on the court and in the weight room).


What about DSJ?

Over, I feel he's going to have a similar 3&D career to Trevor Ariza. Ariza was not a good 3pt shooter when he came in, but worked hard on his mechanics.
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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#80 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:52 pm

robillionaire wrote:
B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
robillionaire wrote:This is his best Knicks scoring performance. French heritage night, I don’t think he even played in the first half. So we were getting blown out. He comes in the 3rd quarter and scores 18 on 7-11 shooting


So, I've looked at the play-by-play. Frank actually played 8 minutes and was 0-2 in the first half.

Didn't come in until 8.42 left in the 3rd. Goes 7-11 with 18pts in the next 10 minutes (up to 10.47 in the fourth). Guess what happens next?

Spoiler:
Frank turns the ball over once and picks up 2 fouls in the next 1min45sec - the second trying to stop a Tony Parker drive - gets the immediate hook from Fiz for the foul on TP (The Beetle comes in the seal the loss) - and never sees the floor again. :banghead:


Looking at the box score he actually fouled out of the game

Then when we were all good and hyped up it was revealed he was injured again in like the next game

Ooops - didn't spot that. lolB8RcDeMktfxC. But I would argue that my point still stands since it seemed completely plausible to everyone reading the thread. :nod:

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