Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[puppa bear]

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Yeah, I still feel like there’s a lot of smoke around CP to the Heat & this just adds more. I feel like OKC is the hold-up and they just don’t want to lose assets in moving him on, but Riley wants assets to hunt a 3rd star.

And I don’t think Beal is that 3rd star, unless Bam takes a huge leap I think that 3rd star will be a PF. Not sure who though ...

[Feel_the_Heat15]

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Yeah, I still feel like there’s a lot of smoke around CP to the Heat & this just adds more. I feel like OKC is the hold-up and they just don’t want to lose assets in moving him on, but Riley wants assets to hunt a 3rd star.

And I don’t think Beal is that 3rd star, unless Bam takes a huge leap I think that 3rd star will be a PF. Not sure who though ...

Okpala.

[Beenie]

As far as I can tell, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but DJJ is going to become an UFA after this upcoming season.

In this era of heightened contract offers, it's conceivable that he could get an offer in the neighborhood of what Tyler Johnson got from the Nets.

Anyone think he'd be worth retaining at a similar number?

[MadD23]

As far as I can tell, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but DJJ is going to become an UFA after this upcoming season.

In this era of heightened contract offers, it's conceivable that he could get an offer in the neighborhood of what Tyler Johnson got from the Nets.

Anyone think he'd be worth retaining at a similar number?

I guess we'll find out if he is worth a contract or not by the end of the season

[BadMofoPimp]

Evidently, Butler being a bad guy is not what the media makes it out to be

JJ Redick on the Jimmy Butler experience: I love Jimmy and would play with Jimmy again. I don’t know how much longer I’m going to play basketball, but if there was ever an opportunity to link up with him again, I’d be happy to jump on board with that. He is, I think, in the upper tier of two-way players and really in the upper tier of offensive players, period. I talk with my NBA buddies whether they are front office guys, former players, we talk about team building all the time. We always put our GM hats on. I do think when you’re just throwing pieces together in the middle of the season that there are growing pains, specifically on the basketball side of things. The personnel and pieces have to fit, and if there were any growing pains that’s essentially what it boiled down to. The narrative about Jimmy being a bad guy, I just don’t buy it. It’s not true.
3 days ago – via Crossing Broad

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

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[twix2500]

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Coming soon to the Miami Heat near you 2020....

[Beenie]

As far as I can tell, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but DJJ is going to become an UFA after this upcoming season.

In this era of heightened contract offers, it's conceivable that he could get an offer in the neighborhood of what Tyler Johnson got from the Nets.

Anyone think he'd be worth retaining at a similar number?

I guess we'll find out if he is worth a contract or not by the end of the season

Or perhaps they deem that he isn't worth a big contract and that he has better value as a trade chip in which case we wouldn't have to wait until seasons end.

[twix2500]

As far as I can tell, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but DJJ is going to become an UFA after this upcoming season.

In this era of heightened contract offers, it's conceivable that he could get an offer in the neighborhood of what Tyler Johnson got from the Nets.

Anyone think he'd be worth retaining at a similar number?

I guess we'll find out if he is worth a contract or not by the end of the season

If the Heat has bird rights then yes, it's in the Heat best interest to keep him.

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[Beenie]

As far as I can tell, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but DJJ is going to become an UFA after this upcoming season.

In this era of heightened contract offers, it's conceivable that he could get an offer in the neighborhood of what Tyler Johnson got from the Nets.

Anyone think he'd be worth retaining at a similar number?

I guess we'll find out if he is worth a contract or not by the end of the season

If the Heat has bird rights then yes, it's in the Heat best interest to keep him.

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I don't think he qualifies for bird rights though I'm not certain. It's my understanding that a player must be with their team 3 full years to qualify for the distinction. He would, however, be eligible for "early bird rights" which requires 2 full years of service.

That said, I don't think Mia's agenda with DJJ is clear cut either way. Next season is a weak FA class so there is an incentive for teams who have money to over spend. Mia ought to be weary about offering a bench player a gaudy contract. He would have to display a significant improvement this season to warrant the investment.

[MadD23]

I guess we'll find out if he is worth a contract or not by the end of the season

If the Heat has bird rights then yes, it's in the Heat best interest to keep him.

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I don't think he qualifies for bird rights though I'm not certain. It's my understanding that a player must be with their team 3 full years to qualify for the distinction. He would, however, be eligible for "early bird rights" which requires 2 full years of service.

That said, I don't think Mia's agenda with DJJ is clear cut either way. Next season is a weak FA class so there is an incentive for teams who have money to over spend. Mia ought to be weary about offering a bench player a gaudy contract. He would have to display a significant improvement this season to warrant the investment.

I think Miami will do their best to keep him if he shows improvement and signs of something special this coming season. And yes, trading him mid season is always an option with Riley always ready to pull the trigger on trades.

[gom]

I guess we'll find out if he is worth a contract or not by the end of the season

If the Heat has bird rights then yes, it's in the Heat best interest to keep him.

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I don't think he qualifies for bird rights though I'm not certain. It's my understanding that a player must be with their team 3 full years to qualify for the distinction. He would, however, be eligible for "early bird rights" which requires 2 full years of service.

That said, I don't think Mia's agenda with DJJ is clear cut either way. Next season is a weak FA class so there is an incentive for teams who have money to over spend. Mia ought to be weary about offering a bench player a gaudy contract. He would have to display a significant improvement this season to warrant the investment.

I'm kind of hopeful Derrick Jones Jr competes for the small forward position. He is certainly athletic enough. He does need to shoot better though. If he does, it being a contract year, he might make Miami's offseason complicated. Anything he does for us is fine though. It was already a smart signing.

[MartyConlonJr]

I guess we'll find out if he is worth a contract or not by the end of the season

If the Heat has bird rights then yes, it's in the Heat best interest to keep him.

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I don't think he qualifies for bird rights though I'm not certain. It's my understanding that a player must be with their team 3 full years to qualify for the distinction. He would, however, be eligible for "early bird rights" which requires 2 full years of service.

That said, I don't think Mia's agenda with DJJ is clear cut either way. Next season is a weak FA class so there is an incentive for teams who have money to over spend. Mia ought to be weary about offering a bench player a gaudy contract. He would have to display a significant improvement this season to warrant the investment.

I thought a player only needed to be on the same team for 3 seasons consecutively and it could be for any duration (I.e. didn't need to be a full first season)? I thought teams sometimes got a player on their roster for that type of reason at the end of the season. Could be wrong, but couldn't find any bird rights read up to refute it.

[AirP.]

If the Heat has bird rights then yes, it's in the Heat best interest to keep him.

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I don't think he qualifies for bird rights though I'm not certain. It's my understanding that a player must be with their team 3 full years to qualify for the distinction. He would, however, be eligible for "early bird rights" which requires 2 full years of service.

That said, I don't think Mia's agenda with DJJ is clear cut either way. Next season is a weak FA class so there is an incentive for teams who have money to over spend. Mia ought to be weary about offering a bench player a gaudy contract. He would have to display a significant improvement this season to warrant the investment.

I thought a player only needed to be on the same team for 3 seasons consecutively and it could be for any duration (I.e. didn't need to be a full first season)? I thought teams sometimes got a player on their roster for that type of reason at the end of the season. Could be wrong, but couldn't find any bird rights read up to refute it.

All I could find on DJJ's situation next year (Bird rule info) is this...

But that figure doesn’t include $4 million in cap holds and also doesn’t include cap holds for 2020 free agents Goran Dragic and Meyers Leonard, who would need to be renounced to achieve maximum cap space. Nor does it include a modest cap hold for Derrick Jones Jr., or the money due a player the Heat picks in the first round in 2020, or non-guaranteed $1.6 million deals for Kendrick Nunn and Duncan Robinson.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article234075802.html

I have read that his 1st year in Miami (2 way contract) "counts" towards the bird's rule and I'd suspect that Riley wouldn't put himself in a situation to lose a young player he's decided to develop by only signing him to a 2 year contract. Plus DJJ has been rumored to be a sticking point in the CP3 negotiations, not sure that would happen if Riley didn't believe he could retain him after this year.

Ah, finally found this also...
DJJ a cap hold of 1,722,425 for 2020, which is a little higher then his 2019-2020 salary of $1,645,357.
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/miami-heat-team-salary/

[twix2500]

I don't think he qualifies for bird rights though I'm not certain. It's my understanding that a player must be with their team 3 full years to qualify for the distinction. He would, however, be eligible for "early bird rights" which requires 2 full years of service.

That said, I don't think Mia's agenda with DJJ is clear cut either way. Next season is a weak FA class so there is an incentive for teams who have money to over spend. Mia ought to be weary about offering a bench player a gaudy contract. He would have to display a significant improvement this season to warrant the investment.

I thought a player only needed to be on the same team for 3 seasons consecutively and it could be for any duration (I.e. didn't need to be a full first season)? I thought teams sometimes got a player on their roster for that type of reason at the end of the season. Could be wrong, but couldn't find any bird rights read up to refute it.

All I could find on DJJ's situation next year (Bird rule info) is this...

But that figure doesn’t include $4 million in cap holds and also doesn’t include cap holds for 2020 free agents Goran Dragic and Meyers Leonard, who would need to be renounced to achieve maximum cap space. Nor does it include a modest cap hold for Derrick Jones Jr., or the money due a player the Heat picks in the first round in 2020, or non-guaranteed $1.6 million deals for Kendrick Nunn and Duncan Robinson.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article234075802.html

I have read that his 1st year in Miami (2 way contract) "counts" towards the bird's rule and I'd suspect that Riley wouldn't put himself in a situation to lose a young player he's decided to develop by only signing him to a 2 year contract. Plus DJJ has been rumored to be a sticking point in the CP3 negotiations, not sure that would happen if Riley didn't believe he could retain him after this year.

Ah, finally found this also...
DJJ a cap hold of 1,722,425 for 2020, which is a little higher then his 2019-2020 salary of $1,645,357.
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/miami-heat-team-salary/

That is good that his cap hold is low.

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[AirP.]

Zach Lowe was on Howard Beck's The Full 48 podcast and the Heat talk starts just after the 43:00 mark when Zach is asked if the Heat will get a 2nd star this season and his answer is no but that the Heat are an interesting trade team. Zach mentions he likes the Heat and he said he's flirting with making a bold prediction(officially) of Miami finishing 3rd in the Eastern division but said smart money says the Celtics(but Zach isn't all that high on them).

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/turner-podcast-network/the-full-48

[AirP.]

Not sure if these tweets are showing up(they aren't at my work) but here's some tweets with pictures of Jimmy Butler training at American Airlines Arena today.

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[Kobewade11]

94. Justise
81. Bam

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27640475/ranking-best-players-nba-season-100-51

That gives us 3 in the top 100 this year (obviously adding Jimmy). J-Rich came in at 86, Hassan nowhere to be found.

[EMC5466]

Heat are interested in Chris Paul again according to Shams.