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Pandering to the stupid vote is literally what the GOP has been doing for decades and look where they’re at now. They have power but their political agenda is dog****. Why would anyone want that?
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-repeatedly-pressed-ukraine-president-to-investigate-bidens-son/ar-AAHAEU4?li=BBnb7Kz
We cannot make this stuff up. How can anyone support this pos for anything? We're wrong in saying the Republican Party is for stupid people. What it's primarily going for is pure evil; much more than stupid.
We cannot make this stuff up. How can anyone support this pos for anything? We're wrong in saying the Republican Party is for stupid people. What it's primarily going for is pure evil; much more than stupid.
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Norm Ornstein has described the current GOP as a personality cult which I believe is dead on correct.
That in and of itself would be a 'bad thing'. It's irredeamable that the personality that they are cultishly
following is DJT. These elected politicians who continue to cover for him should receive the harshest
possible treatment by historians. They are the opposite of patriots.
That in and of itself would be a 'bad thing'. It's irredeamable that the personality that they are cultishly
following is DJT. These elected politicians who continue to cover for him should receive the harshest
possible treatment by historians. They are the opposite of patriots.
A lot of what we call 'thought' is just mental activity
When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression
Those who are convinced of absurdities, can be convinced to commit atrocities
When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression
Those who are convinced of absurdities, can be convinced to commit atrocities
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Ruzious wrote:http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-repeatedly-pressed-ukraine-president-to-investigate-bidens-son/ar-AAHAEU4?li=BBnb7Kz
We cannot make this stuff up. How can anyone support this pos for anything? We're wrong in saying the Republican Party is for stupid people. What it's primarily going for is pure evil; much more than stupid.
I still need to laugh at daoneandonly’s claim that Trump was the most ethical candidate running in lol. Let’s reminisce about the days when Nate, TGW,STD and others constantly reminded us about Hillary Clinton’s corruption. Oh man I think I need to bring up the old threads just for a laugh.
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gtn130 wrote:Pandering to the stupid vote is literally what the GOP has been doing for decades and look where they’re at now. They have power but their political agenda is dog****. Why would anyone want that?
Refer to the first half of your second sentence.
I’m not even saying pander to stupid people. Cory Booker is a reasonable candidate. I do think it is smart gamesmanship simply to have an umbrella that is inclusive even of stupid people. They are Americans too. Might as well find the shorthand that helps them vote in their own best interest. Which in most cases frankly is a progressive platform. So OK, maybe the candidate looks presidential and has some hook that gets them to notice. If that includes a celebrity girlfriend and a tall guy who has bona fides both in Congress and as an executive, so much the better. Stacey Abrams is bright and a badass, and I don't think our country is ready for her. Joe Biden is a tall folksy white guy who pretends to be tough. That's all it takes for him to be leading in the polls.
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President Trump told two senior Russian officials in a 2017 Oval Office meeting that he was unconcerned about Moscow’s interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election because the United States did the same in other countries
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President Trump told two senior Russian officials in a 2017 Oval Office meeting that he was unconcerned about Moscow’s interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election because the United States did the same in other countries
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I suspect it will inevitably be stonewalled. The GOP is hoping the courts will cover for them or
delay any action to the point it becomes meaningless.
delay any action to the point it becomes meaningless.
A lot of what we call 'thought' is just mental activity
When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression
Those who are convinced of absurdities, can be convinced to commit atrocities
When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression
Those who are convinced of absurdities, can be convinced to commit atrocities
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President Trump told two senior Russian officials in a 2017 Oval Office meeting that he was unconcerned about Moscow’s interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election because the United States did the same in other countries
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The irony is Biden was working against corruption in Ukraine - not to mention he was effective at it.
This is **** ridiculous, and it's getting more absurd by the day. We need to **** get **** Trump out of the WH NOW! Every **** God damned thing he does is tainted with corruption.
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And in the meantime, the Iowa Democratic Presidential Caucus (DM Register/CNN) Poll:
Warren 22
Biden 20
Sanders 11
Buttigieg 9
Harris 6
Klobuchar 3
Gabbard 2
Booker 3
Yang 2
Steyer 2
O'Rourke 2
Bullock 1
Castro 1
Warren 22
Biden 20
Sanders 11
Buttigieg 9
Harris 6
Klobuchar 3
Gabbard 2
Booker 3
Yang 2
Steyer 2
O'Rourke 2
Bullock 1
Castro 1
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Let's say there's corruption in the DOJ. What checks and balances are there in the US system to root it out? I'm curious because it looks as if more departments are being headed by people willing to look past the rules of their departments, so...
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Congress' only remedy is to sue the executive branch (whatever dept you wanna look at)
and hope the courts side with you (which in most cases, they clearly should).
The scary thing is what would happen if the executive branch, after losing,
refuses to recognize the authority of the courts. We're not there yet but
there are worrying signs. I think it would take a mass scale protest, the likes of
which we have yet to see...protests making say the Woman's march of Jan 2017
look small by comparison, to make them stand down in that situation.
and hope the courts side with you (which in most cases, they clearly should).
The scary thing is what would happen if the executive branch, after losing,
refuses to recognize the authority of the courts. We're not there yet but
there are worrying signs. I think it would take a mass scale protest, the likes of
which we have yet to see...protests making say the Woman's march of Jan 2017
look small by comparison, to make them stand down in that situation.
A lot of what we call 'thought' is just mental activity
When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression
Those who are convinced of absurdities, can be convinced to commit atrocities
When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression
Those who are convinced of absurdities, can be convinced to commit atrocities
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GREY 1769 wrote:Let's say there's corruption in the DOJ. What checks and balances are there in the US system to root it out? I'm curious because it looks as if more departments are being headed by people willing to look past the rules of their departments, so...
I’d assume it would be up to Congress to investigate, expose it and root it out. They have a few tools that they haven’t used for I don’t know what reason. They can hold witnesses that don’t show up in contempt, they have the power to arrest non compliant witnesses and they can go after their money which would be the best way to make sure people testify. They’ve also forgotten that they’re in control of the budget.
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dobrojim wrote:Congress' only remedy is to sue the executive branch (whatever dept you wanna look at)
and hope the courts side with you (which in most cases, they clearly should).
The scary thing is what would happen if the executive branch, after losing,
refuses to recognize the authority of the courts. We're not there yet but
there are worrying signs. I think it would take a mass scale protest, the likes of
which we have yet to see...protests making say the Woman's march of Jan 2017
look small by comparison, to make them stand down in that situation.
Pointgod wrote:Spoiler:
I’d assume it would be up to Congress to investigate, expose it and root it out. They have a few tools that they haven’t used for I don’t know what reason. They can hold witnesses that don’t show up in contempt, they have the power to arrest non compliant witnesses and they can go after their money which would be the best way to make sure people testify. They’ve also forgotten that they’re in control of the budget.
Thanks to you both. It's tricky about Congress now though, right, since one chamber can keep stymieing the other? Then there's potential pardons for those who don't comply. Are there any checks and balances for pardons being given that have a pattern of compliance to silence which potentially help the pardoner?
And going through the court system can take time, may not be recognized, all the while being filled with judges that one party favours far more (I know judges are supposed to be impartial).
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GREY 1769 wrote:dobrojim wrote:Congress' only remedy is to sue the executive branch (whatever dept you wanna look at)
and hope the courts side with you (which in most cases, they clearly should).
The scary thing is what would happen if the executive branch, after losing,
refuses to recognize the authority of the courts. We're not there yet but
there are worrying signs. I think it would take a mass scale protest, the likes of
which we have yet to see...protests making say the Woman's march of Jan 2017
look small by comparison, to make them stand down in that situation.Pointgod wrote:Spoiler:
I’d assume it would be up to Congress to investigate, expose it and root it out. They have a few tools that they haven’t used for I don’t know what reason. They can hold witnesses that don’t show up in contempt, they have the power to arrest non compliant witnesses and they can go after their money which would be the best way to make sure people testify. They’ve also forgotten that they’re in control of the budget.
Thanks to you both. It's tricky about Congress now though, right, since one chamber can keep stymieing the other? Then there's potential pardons for those who don't comply. Are there any checks and balances for pardons being given that have a pattern of compliance to silence which potentially help the pardoner?
And going through the court system can take time, may not be recognized, all the while being filled with judges that one party favours far more (I know judges are supposed to be impartial).
Yes. How astute you are. There is that problematic opposition. If only we could silence it. Look to China and Russia to learn how.
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popper wrote:GREY 1769 wrote:dobrojim wrote:Congress' only remedy is to sue the executive branch (whatever dept you wanna look at)
and hope the courts side with you (which in most cases, they clearly should).
The scary thing is what would happen if the executive branch, after losing,
refuses to recognize the authority of the courts. We're not there yet but
there are worrying signs. I think it would take a mass scale protest, the likes of
which we have yet to see...protests making say the Woman's march of Jan 2017
look small by comparison, to make them stand down in that situation.Pointgod wrote:Spoiler:
I’d assume it would be up to Congress to investigate, expose it and root it out. They have a few tools that they haven’t used for I don’t know what reason. They can hold witnesses that don’t show up in contempt, they have the power to arrest non compliant witnesses and they can go after their money which would be the best way to make sure people testify. They’ve also forgotten that they’re in control of the budget.
Thanks to you both. It's tricky about Congress now though, right, since one chamber can keep stymieing the other? Then there's potential pardons for those who don't comply. Are there any checks and balances for pardons being given that have a pattern of compliance to silence which potentially help the pardoner?
And going through the court system can take time, may not be recognized, all the while being filled with judges that one party favours far more (I know judges are supposed to be impartial).
Yes. How astute you are. There is that problematic opposition. If only we could silence it. Look to China and Russia to learn how.
I see this is the useless sarcasm portion of the discussion. Thanks for popping by.
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GREY 1769 wrote:popper wrote:GREY 1769 wrote:
Thanks to you both. It's tricky about Congress now though, right, since one chamber can keep stymieing the other? Then there's potential pardons for those who don't comply. Are there any checks and balances for pardons being given that have a pattern of compliance to silence which potentially help the pardoner?
And going through the court system can take time, may not be recognized, all the while being filled with judges that one party favours far more (I know judges are supposed to be impartial).
Yes. How astute you are. There is that problematic opposition. If only we could silence it. Look to China and Russia to learn how.
I see this is the useless sarcasm portion of the discussion. Thanks for popping by.
Useless? The answer to your original question is that the minority party can request an IG investigation on any matter they deem appropriate. Our constitutional republic is effective (somewhat) in empowering the minority to hold the majority party accountable. Since most current IG’s were appointed by Obama you should rest assured that justice will be served.
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popper wrote:GREY 1769 wrote:popper wrote:
Yes. How astute you are. There is that problematic opposition. If only we could silence it. Look to China and Russia to learn how.
I see this is the useless sarcasm portion of the discussion. Thanks for popping by.
Useless? The answer to your original question is that the minority party can request an IG investigation on any matter they deem appropriate. Our constitutional republic is effective (somewhat) in empowering the minority to hold the majority party accountable. Since most current IG’s were appointed by Obama you should rest assured that justice will be served.
I was genuinely looking for checks and balances answers and have no interest in partisan interjections.
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GREY 1769 wrote:popper wrote:Our constitutional republic is effective (somewhat) in empowering the minority to hold the majority party accountable. Since most current IG’s were appointed by Obama you should rest assured that justice will be served.
I was genuinely looking for checks and balances answers and have no interest in partisan interjections.
Bingo. Many OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS WERE STEADFASTLY AGAINST POLITICAL PARTIES. Congress wasn't meant to be a check on a majority party, but instead a check on the powers of the executive branch and judiciary.
Spoiler:
Bringing partisan politics to a debate on the efficacy of the constitution is truly...deplorable.