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Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga

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Re: Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

Post#81 » by StopitLeo » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:47 pm

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What story said that Kawhi specifically asked for PG?


No story reported that Kawhi asked the Raptors to acquire Paul George as a condition of him re-signing. Presumably the Raptors learned of this "condition" when Presti called them about trying to move George and Westbrook. That was, of course, all about leveraging the most assets from the Clippers since Toronto would not realistically have been able to match what the Clippers ultimately gave up while also taking on Westbrook's contract.
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Re: Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

Post#82 » by tradejosehesux » Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:27 pm

I am usually so cautious with my expectations, but I fully expected Kawhi to stay, even during the regular season I felt this way. It still hurts to think we were never an option for him, no matter how much you guys try to convince yourselves.

We got a ship, still have a respectable team with young pieces for the future, lots of cap space coming up, the best Exec in the business. We'll be fine.
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Re: Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

Post#83 » by raptorstime » Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:36 pm

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Re: Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

Post#84 » by macNcheese3 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:13 pm

There was an article stating that Masai wanted to bring in Rivers, before he hired Nurse to be HC.

As they went back to Orlando when Masai was a scout there or in some capacity and Rivers was the HC.
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Re: Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

Post#85 » by PoundTown » Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:19 pm

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Danny1616 wrote:So basically if they couldn't get Paul George he would've stayed in Toronto?

That's simply what Uncle Dennis was telling the Clippers to get them to mortgage their future for Paul George. The Clippers never tested that.


The Clippers ultimately played themselves by not insisting that Kawhi sign a 4 year deal, but when you're desperate you do desperate things like this. I don't think they're built to win it all as is. That front court isn't leading them to a chip. They don't even have a primary facilitator. If they win it all I'll gladly admit I was wrong, but I don't see it happening.


Does anyone else think finding a way to get Rubio on this team given his improving jump shot and solid defense would be the guy to target? I think he’s the missing attainable piece personally and gives them that facilitator they need. Maybe a deal like shamet, Jerome robinson, harkless and salary can get it done after December 15 for Rubio and two of the lowest salaries. Find one more serviceable big maybe on the buyout market or a guy like taj Gibson and that team is ridiculous.
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Re: Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

Post#86 » by Mak » Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:31 pm

Doc seems pretty happy to win the press conference. I hope Clippers dont get past second round in the next 2 years, would be sweet.
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Re: Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

Post#87 » by jimmy keys » Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:02 pm

PoundTown wrote:
jimmy keys wrote::banghead:
Randle McMurphy wrote:That's simply what Uncle Dennis was telling the Clippers to get them to mortgage their future for Paul George. The Clippers never tested that.


The Clippers ultimately played themselves by not insisting that Kawhi sign a 4 year deal, but when you're desperate you do desperate things like this. I don't think they're built to win it all as is. That front court isn't leading them to a chip. They don't even have a primary facilitator. If they win it all I'll gladly admit I was wrong, but I don't see it happening.


Does anyone else think finding a way to get Rubio on this team given his improving jump shot and solid defense would be the guy to target? I think he’s the missing attainable piece personally and gives them that facilitator they need. Maybe a deal like shamet, Jerome robinson, harkless and salary can get it done after December 15 for Rubio and two of the lowest salaries. Find one more serviceable big maybe on the buyout market or a guy like taj Gibson and that team is ridiculous.


Good call on Rubio. Gasol would also be a beautifully fit. Problem is no team is going to gift them that final missing piece. They'll have to overpay and cupboard is pretty bare at this point.
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Re: Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

Post#88 » by GG0701 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:24 pm

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vbmeer wrote:He went to Rivers house, he boarded a plane at 5:30am his time in the morning to fly all the way to Toronto to meet Masai.

Lakers were 3rd place. He actually had a meeting with Paul George that he moved the Lakers meeting and didn't tell them about.

No one wants to believe there was a chance, out of the implication of there being a mistake done on Masai's part, but there was a small chance of him staying if Paul George to Clippers didn't happen.


This is spot on. I don’t see how you can get around the fact that he gave the lowest priority to the Lakers meeting. Shams also reported that PG and RW and OKC management were discontent with each other. The only person who has contradicted this is Presti who has a vested interest in it not going public.

Doc has talked about this before and how the trade got called on/off like 5x in the same day and at 5pm they finally thought it was over and no deal.

This explains further Masai saying Kawhi gave him a challenge and Jalen’s weird certainty over 99%. Masai may have thought the price was too high, he didn’t need to change the team or that the Clippers were never going to agree to what OKC was asking for so just wait it out but Kawhi’s actions show imo who was 1/2.


The meeting with Masai was a courtesy meeting out of respect to the team that brought him a ring. According to stories from the Raptors’ camp, Kawhi’s team did say to Maasai PG was a condition to him re-signing but he did not give a guarantee if you sign PG I’ll sign with you. He did give LAC that guarantee, but not Toronto). Masai wasn’t doing any trade without this guarantee.

Kawhi also called and told LAL if they wanted to sign him, hold off on the AD trade because if they didn’t there would not be enough cap room to sign Kawhi. Were the Raptors been in “2nd place” then that call to the LAL would not have been done.

He said before again and again that he wanted to be in LA to be close to his family and the preponderance of the evidence during the free agency process supports his words that he wanted to sign with an LA team. The LAL was his back up plan, period.


I don’t believe he flew to TOR and stayed days out of courtesy. I also don’t believe he stuck around after the season and met with Masai then for that reason.

Doc has given i think 3 interviews about this. In all of them it was this is what Kawhi wants. He said they had to call Kawhi when they got the trade done but before they pulled the trigger to get a commitment from him.

Yes it would. The Lakers were the result the Clippers were scared of. Also it doesn’t make sense to cut backup options while you’re still uncertain if what you want is going to happen.

That his signing was contingent on LAC improving their team/getting PG shows winning (and in a situation he felt comfortable with) were priorities to him.
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Re: Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

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Re: Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

Post#91 » by mowcrowbar » Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:44 am

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Danny1616 wrote:So basically if they couldn't get Paul George he would've stayed in Toronto?


Yup and if we somehow got PG we would have got Kawhi I have no doubt in my mind. Picks are meaningless for a playoff team. The only thing that would hurt would have been giving up Pascal. Man having Kawhi and PG would have been a dream.


Id give up pascal and like 4 picks in a flash for PG and Kawhi
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Re: Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

Post#92 » by OakleyDokely » Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:33 pm

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If the Clippers are smart, they will manage of the load of not only Kawhi but PG.

As Kawhi said, for contenders, the regular season is just practice. The real games start in the playoffs.
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Re: Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

Post#93 » by akiman911 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:56 pm

Mak wrote:Doc seems pretty happy to win the press conference. I hope Clippers dont get past second round in the next 2 years, would be sweet.


Rather clips win than lakers. Kawhi way more likeable than lebron


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Re: Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

Post#94 » by LilRomeo905 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:40 pm

Clips 2020 champs... can the league give the Larry OB to them already?
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Re: Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

Post#95 » by Syd-TK3 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:16 pm

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Re: Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

Post#96 » by RonaldArtest » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:14 am

LilRomeo905 wrote:Clips 2020 champs... can the league give the Larry OB to them already?

That’s funny, I remember people saying the 2018/19 season would be a wash because boogie cousins went to GS.
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Re: Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

Post#97 » by Clay Davis » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:47 am

Siakam and 4 picks isn't worth PG and will be better on the court for us than PG over 4 years. It'd be a stupid trade and I can understand any hesitancy to make a play that doesn't make this team significantly better in a vacuum in order to appease a player we've already bent over backwards for.

Kawhi's influence should have a firm boundary at the front-office. To do otherwise isn't a good management principle to abide by. We spent years making dumb decisions without any organizational principles behind them. If we do that trade,even for Kawhi, we're giving up the drafting and development structure we've dreamed about for years.

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Re: Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

Post#98 » by TdotRap4Lyfe » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:57 am

Clips can't get a good seeding if Kawhi has to rest. Nature of the West. I don't expect Clippers to win the chip in any of the years. Even making the WCF is a maybe, by the time the playoffs come, Kawhi and PG will be exhausted.
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Re: Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

Post#99 » by Raps in 4 » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:16 am

macNcheese3 wrote:There was an article stating that Masai wanted to bring in Rivers, before he hired Nurse to be HC.

As they went back to Orlando when Masai was a scout there or in some capacity and Rivers was the HC.


Rivers is overrated. And Kawhi didn't go to the Clippers because of him. He would have gone there even if Ty Lue was the coach.
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Re: Doc Rivers recounts the Kawhi saga 

Post#100 » by XxIronChainzxX » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:40 pm

mowcrowbar wrote:
SurgeIblocka wrote:
Danny1616 wrote:So basically if they couldn't get Paul George he would've stayed in Toronto?


Yup and if we somehow got PG we would have got Kawhi I have no doubt in my mind. Picks are meaningless for a playoff team. The only thing that would hurt would have been giving up Pascal. Man having Kawhi and PG would have been a dream.


Id give up pascal and like 4 picks in a flash for PG and Kawhi


The problem is that the salary doesn't work. We'd have to give up Gasol or Lowry. That's not necessarily a better team. And it's not clear that deal was on the table.

Also bear in mind all the picks come due after PG and Kawhi's contracts expire. Doesn't matter if they resign and/or win multiple titles but that was OKC's bet.

We won't know how this goes for years.

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