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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

Post#81 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:15 pm

malik959 wrote:
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Fat Kat wrote:When it’s all said and done, what’s Frank’s career 3pt%? Over/under 32%?


I’m going with over. I think Frank’s shooting mechanics are sound and fluid and that the reason why he struggled so far is more about the lack of confidence. Playing with France in FIBA really helped him with that (and the hard work he’s obviously put in this offseason both on the court and in the weight room).


What about DSJ?

Over, I feel he's going to have a similar 3&D career to Trevor Ariza. Ariza was not a good 3pt shooter when he came in, but worked hard on his mechanics.


Ariza literally had zero mechanics coming into the league. He couldn't hit the side of a barn. He was strictly a fast break and rim finisher at first. That he became so good shows he put in the work.

In that sense, Frank has always been more advanced than Ariza at an even younger age. His mechanics have always been sound. His issue has been mental and adjusting to the NBA.

Frank has a higher ceiling than Ariza if he puts it together, but even an Ariza career would be a beautiful thing, because players like that are needed to contend.
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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

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Fat Kat wrote:When it’s all said and done, what’s Frank’s career 3pt%? Over/under 32%?


I’m going with over. I think Frank’s shooting mechanics are sound and fluid and that the reason why he struggled so far is more about the lack of confidence. Playing with France in FIBA really helped him with that (and the hard work he’s obviously put in this offseason both on the court and in the weight room).


What about DSJ?


I’m hoping for the over, but I’m not optimistic. I have DSJ at around 34%
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HarthorneWingo wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:When it’s all said and done, what’s Frank’s career 3pt%? Over/under 32%?


I’m going with over. I think Frank’s shooting mechanics are sound and fluid and that the reason why he struggled so far is more about the lack of confidence. Playing with France in FIBA really helped him with that (and the hard work he’s obviously put in this offseason both on the court and in the weight room).


What about DSJ?


I’m hoping for the over, but I’m not optimistic. I have DSJ at around 34%


It's fun to prognosticate this stuff. We'll have a better idea in the preseason. I think I read an article on bleacherreport app predicting something like that. They didn't even mention Frank. :noway:
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I’m going with over. I think Frank’s shooting mechanics are sound and fluid and that the reason why he struggled so far is more about the lack of confidence. Playing with France in FIBA really helped him with that (and the hard work he’s obviously put in this offseason both on the court and in the weight room).


What about DSJ?


I’m hoping for the over, but I’m not optimistic. I have DSJ at around 34%


It's fun to prognosticate this stuff. We'll have a better idea in the preseason. I think I read an article on bleacherreport app predicting something like that. They didn't even mention Frank. :noway:


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I’m hoping for the over, but I’m not optimistic. I have DSJ at around 34%


It's fun to prognosticate this stuff. We'll have a better idea in the preseason. I think I read an article on bleacherreport app predicting something like that. They didn't even mention Frank. :noway:


My freezer is overloaded with frozen crows. I've been patient, but some people are gonna have to eat.


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Re: Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath 

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Fat Kat wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
It's fun to prognosticate this stuff. We'll have a better idea in the preseason. I think I read an article on bleacherreport app predicting something like that. They didn't even mention Frank. :noway:


My freezer is overloaded with frozen crows. I've been patient, but some people are gonna have to eat.


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Fat Kat wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
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It's fun to prognosticate this stuff. We'll have a better idea in the preseason. I think I read an article on bleacherreport app predicting something like that. They didn't even mention Frank. :noway:


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malik959 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
I’m going with over. I think Frank’s shooting mechanics are sound and fluid and that the reason why he struggled so far is more about the lack of confidence. Playing with France in FIBA really helped him with that (and the hard work he’s obviously put in this offseason both on the court and in the weight room).


What about DSJ?

Over, I feel he's going to have a similar 3&D career to Trevor Ariza. Ariza was not a good 3pt shooter when he came in, but worked hard on his mechanics.


Ariza literally had zero mechanics coming into the league. He couldn't hit the side of a barn. He was strictly a fast break and rim finisher at first. That he became so good shows he put in the work.

In that sense, Frank has always been more advanced than Ariza at an even younger age. His mechanics have always been sound. His issue has been mental and adjusting to the NBA.

Frank has a higher ceiling than Ariza if he puts it together, but even an Ariza career would be a beautiful thing, because players like that are needed to contend.

I mentioned Ariza before as to why we shouldn't give up on Frank too soon. Because back in the day, I hated watching how raw Ariza was when he was on the Knicks and couldn't understand why Larry Brown kept playing him. Larry Brown even started him when he was starting players just because they're playing in their hometown. That was a weird season and Ariza was left wide open a lot and he would shoot bricks. Then he eventually got traded to Orlando for Steve Francis. Classic Knicks.

I do agree with you that Frank is far ahead offensively compared to Ariza and I would even say defensively as well. Ariza was really raw and really got a lot better when he started practicing with Kobe in LA (I remember reading about it somewhere). The only reason why people are down on Frank is that he's not a 2nd rounder, and being a lotto pick means higher expectations. People are also less forgiving when issues are more mental because Frank seems to have the physical tools and skills needed to be a productive player in the league but just needs to put it together and show confidence.
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malik959 wrote:Over, I feel he's going to have a similar 3&D career to Trevor Ariza. Ariza was not a good 3pt shooter when he came in, but worked hard on his mechanics.


Ariza literally had zero mechanics coming into the league. He couldn't hit the side of a barn. He was strictly a fast break and rim finisher at first. That he became so good shows he put in the work.

In that sense, Frank has always been more advanced than Ariza at an even younger age. His mechanics have always been sound. His issue has been mental and adjusting to the NBA.

Frank has a higher ceiling than Ariza if he puts it together, but even an Ariza career would be a beautiful thing, because players like that are needed to contend.

I mentioned Ariza before as to why we shouldn't give up on Frank too soon. Because back in the day, I hated watching how raw Ariza was when he was on the Knicks and couldn't understand why Larry Brown kept playing him. Larry Brown even started him when he was starting players just because they're playing in their hometown. That was a weird season and Ariza was left wide open a lot and he would shoot bricks. Then he eventually got traded to Orlando for Steve Francis. Classic Knicks.

I do agree with you that Frank is far ahead offensively compared to Ariza and I would even say defensively as well. Ariza was really raw and really got a lot better when he started practicing with Kobe in LA (I remember reading about it somewhere). The only reason why people are down on Frank is that he's not a 2nd rounder, and being a lotto pick means higher expectations. People are also less forgiving when issues are more mental because Frank seems to have the physical tools and skills needed to be a productive player in the league but just needs to put it together and show confidence.


Your recollection of Ariza is accurate. He was almost without skills coming into the league, just a very raw talent. He was drafted late because of a possible heart defect coming out of UCLA. He was not an educated basketball player after one year in college. He didn't even know where to go on the floor most of the time. Larry called him delusional for expecting playing time. I thought that was extreme at the time, because I saw something in Ariza and the Knicks weren't chit then so I always want young talent to play. But Larry wasn't entirely wrong either.

Frank, however, has more skills and probably more talent than Ariza did. Ariza may be a shade bit quicker and have had a little more bounce, but that would be his only natural advantage over Frank.

Frank will gel.
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Post#91 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:25 pm

Good read
Last week, before Frank Ntilikina set off back to New York, back to the Knicks and to the uncertainty that has crusted over his NBA career, he stopped by his old stomping grounds in Strasbourg. For Ntilikina, it was a return to his hometown in France, where his mother still lives, and where he can check in on his old team, the one he made his name with before the Knicks drafted him eighth overall in 2017.

Vincent Collet, the Strasbourg coach, has watched Ntilikina grow up. He coached the young guard in his last season in French Pro A League, before his NBA debut, and then again this summer as Ntilikina blossomed for the French national team during the World Cup in China. Ntilikina was a catalyst of France’s bronze medal run, helping slay the United States with two late jumpers in its epochal upset.

The performance raised eyebrows because it was so overtly different than the kind Ntilikina has brought to New York, where he has too often waffled and hemmed. In China, he was assertive on offense and demonstrative in post-game celebration. It was the player the Knicks have long hoped to see.


It was the player Collet waited for, too. The kind of player the coach had spent the summer pushing Ntilikina to be; prodding him to take risks and assume responsibility, and questioning him when he hesitated. On a team with several NBA players; those who, Collet says, implored Ntilikina to do more, the 21-year-old guard did just that.

So, in their last chat in Strasbourg, Collet left Ntilikina with a message.

“I told him he must keep going,” Collet told The Athletic. “He must take advantage of the World Cup. When you start the camp, you must show them you are not the same Frank anymore.”

That is the burden for Ntilikina now. When the Knicks start their training camp later this month, those sessions, like the year ahead, will be critical for him. The franchise brought in more talent this summer, creating even more competition for Ntilikina and even more reason not to play him, if head coach David Fizdale so chooses, with newly signed veterans on the roster along with the young peers he wrestled for playing time last season. And New York must decide by Oct. 31 whether to pick up his fourth-year option.

While Ntilikina popped in FIBA competition, he has spent the summer preparing for this pivotal campaign. He worked with trainer Tim Martin in Dallas, with Knicks coaches popping in. He was, Collet says, France’s most improved player from the start of the national team’s time together in July through the World Cup, coming off the bench at the start of the tournament and starting by its end.

Martin and Collet both believe that confidence and intent were key for Ntilikina. In Dallas, when Martin and Ntilikina got together in May, he had the guard focus on three umbrella points: shooting mechanics, mentality and goal-setting.

Collet pushed Ntilikina to be more aggressive — something he has struggled to be in New York. The French coach wanted Ntilikina to shoot whenever he was open and to attack the basket whenever he could. Over the course of the tournament, Collet says, Ntilikina obliged, shooting more frequently than he did in the NBA, even though he was surrounded by more talented teammates in Evan Fournier, Rudy Gobert and Nicolas Batum.

It was a continuation of what he heard from Martin.

“Every shot is 50/50 — it’s going in or it’s not,” Martin said. “But you have to take some of those shots to keep the defense honest.”

The lessons were reflected in Ntilikina’s number. While still not gaudy, he shot 51.6 percent on 2-pointers — a jump from the 38 percent in the NBA — and 33.3 percent on 3s — up from 30.5 for the Knicks. It was progress, at least, on a jump shot that has been highly inaccurate so far.

Ntilikina, Martin says, spent the summer focused on improving his shooting mechanics and footwork, watching film and prioritizing accuracy. Shooting in rhythm was a key, as was balance, with Martin redirecting his feet straight toward the rim on jumpers. Makes alone didn’t suffice. If Ntilikina did not swish a shot, it did not count.

“He had a tendency to shoot off-rhythm,” Martin said. “He’d pick up his dribble, but his feet would continue to move before his shot.”

Ntilikina may benefit from time and experience as much as anything else. He debuted for the Knicks as a wiry 19-year-old. Martin spoke of issues adjusting to the league, including a need to learn the NBA’s nomenclature.

Collet saw a player who was too unselfish — something he sees as untenable in the NBA — and Ntilikina has admitted to struggles calibrating his self-sufficiency and a team-friendlier mindset.

“I knew he was not completely ready to cope with the difficulties he will meet in the NBA,” Collet said. “He was 19 years old and he needed time. The problem when you get drafted is that you cannot refuse it, so you have to go.”

But Collet believes that Ntilikina is finding that understanding now. The young guard he has pushed since Strasbourg to make mistakes, he says, is finally willing. He saw it firsthand in China.

The win over Team USA could prove to be a career turning point. Ntilikina scored 11 points, was 5-of-9 shooting, and had three assists. He pushed the ball, looking for his shot first, occasionally, like a first quarter lay-up when he took the ball from the backcourt off a miss, saw an unsettled defense and went straight to the rim.


His fourth quarter jumper to tie the game at 76 was the highlight, but he drove France’s comeback from a seven-point deficit. Ntilikina has had a habit of stopping his penetration too early as he gets into the lane, but against USA, on successive possessions, he led a pick-and-roll and fed Gobert for a layup, and then caught the ball on the move and scored on a runner. When Kemba Walker closed out on him with 2:19 remaining, Ntilikina did not keep the ball moving. Instead, he resettled and drilled a jumper on him.


For him, it’s something fantastic,” Collet said. “Because Batum told me, for instance, that Kemba couldn’t believe that Frank could do that. I think that kind of a story could change his career. Now he knows.”

Collet sees an analog in Gobert’s development. The center played sparingly as a rookie in Utah, but the 2014 World Cup presaged a breakout season. Collet believes the same could ring true for Ntilikina, who was encouraged by his more established teammates. After the tournament, Fournier tweeted that Ntilikina simply needs an opportunity.

Ntilikina will have to find one in New York, on a roster with a backlog of guards and wings. After spending his first two years struggling to find consistency and an offensive verve, Ntilikina comes back riding a career high. Those who saw him up-close in the recent months believe his breakout is coming. Martin believes the World Cup was a boon for his psyche. Now, the Knicks must hope it will carry on.

“I think he is going to change,” Collet said. “I felt on the court this summer it is going to change. I think he understood he has no choice. He must force his personality.”
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3toheadmelo wrote:Good read
Spoiler:
Last week, before Frank Ntilikina set off back to New York, back to the Knicks and to the uncertainty that has crusted over his NBA career, he stopped by his old stomping grounds in Strasbourg. For Ntilikina, it was a return to his hometown in France, where his mother still lives, and where he can check in on his old team, the one he made his name with before the Knicks drafted him eighth overall in 2017.

Vincent Collet, the Strasbourg coach, has watched Ntilikina grow up. He coached the young guard in his last season in French Pro A League, before his NBA debut, and then again this summer as Ntilikina blossomed for the French national team during the World Cup in China. Ntilikina was a catalyst of France’s bronze medal run, helping slay the United States with two late jumpers in its epochal upset.

The performance raised eyebrows because it was so overtly different than the kind Ntilikina has brought to New York, where he has too often waffled and hemmed. In China, he was assertive on offense and demonstrative in post-game celebration. It was the player the Knicks have long hoped to see.


It was the player Collet waited for, too. The kind of player the coach had spent the summer pushing Ntilikina to be; prodding him to take risks and assume responsibility, and questioning him when he hesitated. On a team with several NBA players; those who, Collet says, implored Ntilikina to do more, the 21-year-old guard did just that.

So, in their last chat in Strasbourg, Collet left Ntilikina with a message.

“I told him he must keep going,” Collet told The Athletic. “He must take advantage of the World Cup. When you start the camp, you must show them you are not the same Frank anymore.”

That is the burden for Ntilikina now. When the Knicks start their training camp later this month, those sessions, like the year ahead, will be critical for him. The franchise brought in more talent this summer, creating even more competition for Ntilikina and even more reason not to play him, if head coach David Fizdale so chooses, with newly signed veterans on the roster along with the young peers he wrestled for playing time last season. And New York must decide by Oct. 31 whether to pick up his fourth-year option.

While Ntilikina popped in FIBA competition, he has spent the summer preparing for this pivotal campaign. He worked with trainer Tim Martin in Dallas, with Knicks coaches popping in. He was, Collet says, France’s most improved player from the start of the national team’s time together in July through the World Cup, coming off the bench at the start of the tournament and starting by its end.

Martin and Collet both believe that confidence and intent were key for Ntilikina. In Dallas, when Martin and Ntilikina got together in May, he had the guard focus on three umbrella points: shooting mechanics, mentality and goal-setting.

Collet pushed Ntilikina to be more aggressive — something he has struggled to be in New York. The French coach wanted Ntilikina to shoot whenever he was open and to attack the basket whenever he could. Over the course of the tournament, Collet says, Ntilikina obliged, shooting more frequently than he did in the NBA, even though he was surrounded by more talented teammates in Evan Fournier, Rudy Gobert and Nicolas Batum.

It was a continuation of what he heard from Martin.

“Every shot is 50/50 — it’s going in or it’s not,” Martin said. “But you have to take some of those shots to keep the defense honest.”

The lessons were reflected in Ntilikina’s number. While still not gaudy, he shot 51.6 percent on 2-pointers — a jump from the 38 percent in the NBA — and 33.3 percent on 3s — up from 30.5 for the Knicks. It was progress, at least, on a jump shot that has been highly inaccurate so far.

Ntilikina, Martin says, spent the summer focused on improving his shooting mechanics and footwork, watching film and prioritizing accuracy. Shooting in rhythm was a key, as was balance, with Martin redirecting his feet straight toward the rim on jumpers. Makes alone didn’t suffice. If Ntilikina did not swish a shot, it did not count.

“He had a tendency to shoot off-rhythm,” Martin said. “He’d pick up his dribble, but his feet would continue to move before his shot.”

Ntilikina may benefit from time and experience as much as anything else. He debuted for the Knicks as a wiry 19-year-old. Martin spoke of issues adjusting to the league, including a need to learn the NBA’s nomenclature.

Collet saw a player who was too unselfish — something he sees as untenable in the NBA — and Ntilikina has admitted to struggles calibrating his self-sufficiency and a team-friendlier mindset.

“I knew he was not completely ready to cope with the difficulties he will meet in the NBA,” Collet said. “He was 19 years old and he needed time. The problem when you get drafted is that you cannot refuse it, so you have to go.”

But Collet believes that Ntilikina is finding that understanding now. The young guard he has pushed since Strasbourg to make mistakes, he says, is finally willing. He saw it firsthand in China.

The win over Team USA could prove to be a career turning point. Ntilikina scored 11 points, was 5-of-9 shooting, and had three assists. He pushed the ball, looking for his shot first, occasionally, like a first quarter lay-up when he took the ball from the backcourt off a miss, saw an unsettled defense and went straight to the rim.


His fourth quarter jumper to tie the game at 76 was the highlight, but he drove France’s comeback from a seven-point deficit. Ntilikina has had a habit of stopping his penetration too early as he gets into the lane, but against USA, on successive possessions, he led a pick-and-roll and fed Gobert for a layup, and then caught the ball on the move and scored on a runner. When Kemba Walker closed out on him with 2:19 remaining, Ntilikina did not keep the ball moving. Instead, he resettled and drilled a jumper on him.


For him, it’s something fantastic,” Collet said. “Because Batum told me, for instance, that Kemba couldn’t believe that Frank could do that. I think that kind of a story could change his career. Now he knows.”

Collet sees an analog in Gobert’s development. The center played sparingly as a rookie in Utah, but the 2014 World Cup presaged a breakout season. Collet believes the same could ring true for Ntilikina, who was encouraged by his more established teammates. After the tournament, Fournier tweeted that Ntilikina simply needs an opportunity.

Ntilikina will have to find one in New York, on a roster with a backlog of guards and wings. After spending his first two years struggling to find consistency and an offensive verve, Ntilikina comes back riding a career high. Those who saw him up-close in the recent months believe his breakout is coming. Martin believes the World Cup was a boon for his psyche. Now, the Knicks must hope it will carry on.

“I think he is going to change,” Collet said. “I felt on the court this summer it is going to change. I think he understood he has no choice. He must force his personality.”


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Post#93 » by remi_222 » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:41 pm

What else can we writte after this article ? lets all rest till preseason ...
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Post#94 » by GONYK » Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:07 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Good read
Spoiler:
Last week, before Frank Ntilikina set off back to New York, back to the Knicks and to the uncertainty that has crusted over his NBA career, he stopped by his old stomping grounds in Strasbourg. For Ntilikina, it was a return to his hometown in France, where his mother still lives, and where he can check in on his old team, the one he made his name with before the Knicks drafted him eighth overall in 2017.

Vincent Collet, the Strasbourg coach, has watched Ntilikina grow up. He coached the young guard in his last season in French Pro A League, before his NBA debut, and then again this summer as Ntilikina blossomed for the French national team during the World Cup in China. Ntilikina was a catalyst of France’s bronze medal run, helping slay the United States with two late jumpers in its epochal upset.

The performance raised eyebrows because it was so overtly different than the kind Ntilikina has brought to New York, where he has too often waffled and hemmed. In China, he was assertive on offense and demonstrative in post-game celebration. It was the player the Knicks have long hoped to see.


It was the player Collet waited for, too. The kind of player the coach had spent the summer pushing Ntilikina to be; prodding him to take risks and assume responsibility, and questioning him when he hesitated. On a team with several NBA players; those who, Collet says, implored Ntilikina to do more, the 21-year-old guard did just that.

So, in their last chat in Strasbourg, Collet left Ntilikina with a message.

“I told him he must keep going,” Collet told The Athletic. “He must take advantage of the World Cup. When you start the camp, you must show them you are not the same Frank anymore.”

That is the burden for Ntilikina now. When the Knicks start their training camp later this month, those sessions, like the year ahead, will be critical for him. The franchise brought in more talent this summer, creating even more competition for Ntilikina and even more reason not to play him, if head coach David Fizdale so chooses, with newly signed veterans on the roster along with the young peers he wrestled for playing time last season. And New York must decide by Oct. 31 whether to pick up his fourth-year option.

While Ntilikina popped in FIBA competition, he has spent the summer preparing for this pivotal campaign. He worked with trainer Tim Martin in Dallas, with Knicks coaches popping in. He was, Collet says, France’s most improved player from the start of the national team’s time together in July through the World Cup, coming off the bench at the start of the tournament and starting by its end.

Martin and Collet both believe that confidence and intent were key for Ntilikina. In Dallas, when Martin and Ntilikina got together in May, he had the guard focus on three umbrella points: shooting mechanics, mentality and goal-setting.

Collet pushed Ntilikina to be more aggressive — something he has struggled to be in New York. The French coach wanted Ntilikina to shoot whenever he was open and to attack the basket whenever he could. Over the course of the tournament, Collet says, Ntilikina obliged, shooting more frequently than he did in the NBA, even though he was surrounded by more talented teammates in Evan Fournier, Rudy Gobert and Nicolas Batum.

It was a continuation of what he heard from Martin.

“Every shot is 50/50 — it’s going in or it’s not,” Martin said. “But you have to take some of those shots to keep the defense honest.”

The lessons were reflected in Ntilikina’s number. While still not gaudy, he shot 51.6 percent on 2-pointers — a jump from the 38 percent in the NBA — and 33.3 percent on 3s — up from 30.5 for the Knicks. It was progress, at least, on a jump shot that has been highly inaccurate so far.

Ntilikina, Martin says, spent the summer focused on improving his shooting mechanics and footwork, watching film and prioritizing accuracy. Shooting in rhythm was a key, as was balance, with Martin redirecting his feet straight toward the rim on jumpers. Makes alone didn’t suffice. If Ntilikina did not swish a shot, it did not count.

“He had a tendency to shoot off-rhythm,” Martin said. “He’d pick up his dribble, but his feet would continue to move before his shot.”

Ntilikina may benefit from time and experience as much as anything else. He debuted for the Knicks as a wiry 19-year-old. Martin spoke of issues adjusting to the league, including a need to learn the NBA’s nomenclature.

Collet saw a player who was too unselfish — something he sees as untenable in the NBA — and Ntilikina has admitted to struggles calibrating his self-sufficiency and a team-friendlier mindset.

“I knew he was not completely ready to cope with the difficulties he will meet in the NBA,” Collet said. “He was 19 years old and he needed time. The problem when you get drafted is that you cannot refuse it, so you have to go.”

But Collet believes that Ntilikina is finding that understanding now. The young guard he has pushed since Strasbourg to make mistakes, he says, is finally willing. He saw it firsthand in China.

The win over Team USA could prove to be a career turning point. Ntilikina scored 11 points, was 5-of-9 shooting, and had three assists. He pushed the ball, looking for his shot first, occasionally, like a first quarter lay-up when he took the ball from the backcourt off a miss, saw an unsettled defense and went straight to the rim.


His fourth quarter jumper to tie the game at 76 was the highlight, but he drove France’s comeback from a seven-point deficit. Ntilikina has had a habit of stopping his penetration too early as he gets into the lane, but against USA, on successive possessions, he led a pick-and-roll and fed Gobert for a layup, and then caught the ball on the move and scored on a runner. When Kemba Walker closed out on him with 2:19 remaining, Ntilikina did not keep the ball moving. Instead, he resettled and drilled a jumper on him.


For him, it’s something fantastic,” Collet said. “Because Batum told me, for instance, that Kemba couldn’t believe that Frank could do that. I think that kind of a story could change his career. Now he knows.”

Collet sees an analog in Gobert’s development. The center played sparingly as a rookie in Utah, but the 2014 World Cup presaged a breakout season. Collet believes the same could ring true for Ntilikina, who was encouraged by his more established teammates. After the tournament, Fournier tweeted that Ntilikina simply needs an opportunity.

Ntilikina will have to find one in New York, on a roster with a backlog of guards and wings. After spending his first two years struggling to find consistency and an offensive verve, Ntilikina comes back riding a career high. Those who saw him up-close in the recent months believe his breakout is coming. Martin believes the World Cup was a boon for his psyche. Now, the Knicks must hope it will carry on.

“I think he is going to change,” Collet said. “I felt on the court this summer it is going to change. I think he understood he has no choice. He must force his personality.”


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Yea, great article. Thanks for posting.

3 things:

1. I can't help but wonder how much further along Frank would be if he was working with Martin from the beginning and not wasting time with Brickley. It was the first change Frank's new agent made. Martin's approach seems so much more focused and seems to have yielded a quicker tangible benefit. It's also coinciding with Frank growing into his body as well.

2. It's interesting that Collet basically said that he wished he could have kept Frank a few more seasons before Frank came to the NBA. Collet noticed all the same things we do, but he seems to really know how to critique Frank while still building him up. The more time Frank has with him, the better.

3. How did Kemba not know Frank could do these things? Frank's best games scoring wise have come against the Hornets :lol:
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Post#95 » by stuporman » Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:37 pm

Would it be a bad thing if Frank just becomes a versatile super glue guy that winds up getting a modest second contract to stay with the Knicks but provides much needed defense and intangibles as long as he isn't a complete liability on offense?

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if Frank stayed in France a couple more years, he'd be Boris Diaw.
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Post#97 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:10 pm

Maybe Frank and DSJ can become this two-headed monster backcourt where they're basically both capable of setting up the offense a little like Michael Ray Richardson and Ray Williams.
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Post#98 » by DOT » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:11 pm

stuporman wrote:Would it be a bad thing if Frank just becomes a versatile super glue guy that winds up getting a modest second contract to stay with the Knicks but provides much needed defense and intangibles as long as he isn't a complete liability on offense?

Not every player will become a 'star' type but very much are an integral part of a winning team.

Absolutely not

It'd be a bit disappointing sure, but I could live with it. If he becomes a Batum caliber player, do we really need him to do any more?

Especially if DSJ, RJ, and Knox live up to their potentials on offense, as long as he's making smart passes and hitting his shots, he'd be an extremely valuable piece for us. He just has to get his shot consistent

Really don't get why people act like it'd be such a hard thing to do for him to improve his shot. There's nothing wrong with it, and he's been pretty solid outside of a couple months
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HarthorneWingo wrote:Maybe Frank and DSJ can become this two-headed monster backcourt where they're basically both capable of setting up the offense a little like Michael Ray Richardson and Ray Williams.


The Ray-Ray backcourt would absolutely destroy in the current NBA.

If those two reach that level, we're set.
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Post#100 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:19 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Maybe Frank and DSJ can become this two-headed monster backcourt where they're basically both capable of setting up the offense a little like Michael Ray Richardson and Ray Williams.


The Ray-Ray backcourt would absolutely destroy in the current NBA.

If those two reach that level, we're set.


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