Is it possible to get Bradley Beal in the future?

Yogatti · Post #1 » by **Yogatti** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:47 pm

https://nypost.com/2019/07/15/bradley-beal-might-be-the-next-nba-star-on-the-move/

and form a big 3? Kawhi Leonard/Paul George/Bradley Beal

Forte IV · Post #2 » by **Forte IV** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:12 pm

Sure if you want to sacrifice depth. Couldn't happen until December though.

Ranma · Post #3 » by **Ranma** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:01 am

Ranma wrote:Before anyone gets excited, this Beal proposal is strictly a hypothetical on Lowe's part and not something he's reporting to be under consideration since the Wizards have gone on record recently multiple times to reiterate that they are not entertaining the notion of trading Bradley Beal. However, it is both ironic that the Wizards want to follow in the Clippers' footsteps and an interesting thought exercise on whether building around a big 2 with depth is better than a big 3 lacking in support or vice versa.

Could we make do with Kawhi, George and Beal along with Lou-Will, Zubac, Rome, McGruder, Harkless, Green, Mann, Patterson and whomever else we get from the waiver wire whether it be Joakim Noah and/or Andre Iguodala? The problem with such a hypothetical big 3 is that they all primarily play wing positions, which negates some of the utility value.

Kawhi could probably handle the 4 and even 5 spot during crunch time situations, but most of his minutes will be coming from the 2 or 3 spot, especially with respect to keeping him fresh and injury free. George has the length to be a stretch 4 but his stated preference is to be at the 2 or 3; he too would probably be best served by avoiding any pounding to his recovering shoulders. Beal could probably get away with being a 3 in small-ball lineups but he might be just as efficient at the 1.

Another downside to this hypothetical big 3 is that each member of that trio currently has injury concerns. Still, I can't say I'd be totally opposed to such a scenario if it was on the table.

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Zach Lowe, ESPN.com (9/4/19)
The name that will come up over and over, in connection with every realistic destination, is Bradley Beal. Beal is really good. He just turned 26. He can thrive off the ball. Beal would bring minimal skill overlap to most preexisting star pairings.

Star power can overcome such overlap. Those "your turn, my turn" offenses that emerge on some super-teams can still win titles because that is what stars do. Depth becomes less important in the playoffs, when stars can play 40-plus minutes every game.

But there are diminishing returns. Love resembled a high-level role player at times next to Irving and James. Allen fit next to Garnett and Pierce because of his willingness to work as a roving catch-and-shoot specialist -- a pure finisher. Green is almost the inverse of Allen: a defensive savant who can initiate offense as Golden State's historic shooters orbit him.

Beal checks the age and fit boxes. Whether he has enough raw, supernova talent -- Beal has made two All-Star rosters and zero All-NBA teams -- is something each suitor will have to decide based in part on who is already on its team (and if the Wizards ever make Beal available, which they have not, per sources).

The Clippers don't have the draft assets for such a trade, but I wonder how they would feel about a theoretical package of Patrick Beverley, Montrezl Harrell, Landry Shamet and Mfiondu Kabengele -- leaving a thin and aging roster around Beal, Leonard and George. If stars in the player empowerment era are more or less permanent flight risks, then building around depth carries a little more appeal.

Is a Big Two Better Than a Big Three for NBA Teams?

50CalClips · Post #4 » by **50CalClips** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:08 pm

- Is this Bradley Beal guy a defense-minded player?

- Is this Bradley Beal guy a "max-$$" player?

Yogatti · Post #5 » by **Yogatti** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:24 pm

1. No he's not and neither was Kyrie but they beat the Warriors
2. Multiple teams would throw max contract at this guy. I don't know if Clippers can give 3 max contract and still keep Lou/Harrell/PatBev/Shamet and others. I'd love to keep all of them

50CalClips · Post #6 » by **50CalClips** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:46 pm

If they're reconfiguring the team to bring in another "max" guy, it should be a PF/C. Karl-Anthony Towns ilk... not Bradley Beal.
Montrezl and Zubac would be the main trade pieces. Pat Bev and/or Lou Will would probably have to be involved.

PG - Landry Shamet
SG - Paul George
SF - Kawhi Leonard
PF - JaMychal Green
C - Karl-Anthony Towns
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G - Terance Mann
PF/C - Mfiondu Kabengele

PG - Jeff Teague
SG - Lou Williams/Pat Beverley
SF - Andrew Wiggins
PF - Montrezl Harrell
C - Ivica Zubac
-----
SG - Josh Okogie
F - Robert Covington
PF/C - Gorgui Dieng

esqtvd · Post #7 » by **esqtvd** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:50 pm

Yogatti wrote:1. No he's not and neither was Kyrie but they beat the Warriors
2. Multiple teams would throw max contract at this guy. I don't know if Clippers can give 3 max contract and still keep Lou/Harrell/PatBev/Shamet and others. I'd love to keep all of them

Two-way players only. Character guys only. I like Beal but I'm also wary of the best player on a losing team. Especially at the max.

We've become a destination. I don't think people wanted to play with CP but they sure will want to play with Kawhi, PG and Pat Bev. I don't think talent is going to be a problem from here on in.

Yogatti · Post #8 » by **Yogatti** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:05 pm

50CalClips wrote:If they're reconfiguring the team to bring in another "max" guy, it should be a PF/C. Karl-Anthony Towns ilk... not Bradley Beal.

Talented wing players win championships in the modern era. I am not a fan of Karl-Anthony Towns at all. He plays soft, puts up big numbers but they're most empty stats because he doesn't win games and doesn't have any impact. He played absolutely terrible during that Rockets series.

Watch on YouTube

He was a part of this embarrassing loss so you can throw away any argument of him being a top 15/top 10 player

Like I said, I wouldn't want this guy on my team and I certainly wouldn't throw max money at him

nickhx2 · Post #9 » by **nickhx2** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:45 pm

in a vacuum i don't think it's worth gutting the rest of the team to get bradley beal, though i would love him on the team. i'm just not sure PG will be happy playing PF for 82 games and through the offseason.

that said, harrell might be looking for a big payday and lou williams is not that far off from asking for decent money. and in some nightmare scenarios, kawhi decides to decline his option and bounce after his two years. being able to re-tool around beal and hopefully PG is a pretty nice starting point.

i think you do it if it's pretty clear that this iteration of the team isn't going to be enough, but there has yet to be one game played, so i don't think you touch it at this point. you do it as a midseason shakeup or in the offseason if things fail miserably, though.

fwiw i do think KAT is much a better fit with PG/kawhi, and i wouldn't be concerned about him being "soft" or low impact. he's a legitimate offensive beast who's never played on a good enough team to learn how to win. playing with guys like kawhi/pg under the tutelage of doc, i'm sure would help him grow immensely. that said, KAT isn't really a trade option the way beal is. minnesota doesn't really have to worry about losing him just yet the way washington has to worry about losing beal. so it's pretty moot.

K4P · Post #10 » by **K4P** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:15 am

50CalClips wrote:If they're reconfiguring the team to bring in another "max" guy, it should be a PF/C. Karl-Anthony Towns ilk... not Bradley Beal.
Montrezl and Zubac would be the main trade pieces. Pat Bev and/or Lou Will would probably have to be involved.

PG - Landry Shamet
SG - Paul George
SF - Kawhi Leonard
PF - JaMychal Green
C - Karl-Anthony Towns
-----
G - Terance Mann
PF/C - Mfiondu Kabengele

PG - Jeff Teague
SG - Lou Williams/Pat Beverley
SF - Andrew Wiggins
PF - Montrezl Harrell
C - Ivica Zubac
-----
SG - Josh Okogie
F - Robert Covington
PF/C - Gorgui Dieng

Entire league can beat that offer lol

Goner · Post #11 » by **Goner** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:14 am

Frankly, I don't get the strange fascination with the number '3'. As Nick already argued, we'd be better off with loads of depth than an extra star on the court. If you think about it, most of the truly dynastic teams have all had two franchise-level stars along with significant depth. Think about it: Magic and Kareem, Jordan and Pippen, Shaq and Kobe... The forced big 3 teams of late didn't have an easy road to the chip. On the other hand, having three max players is guaranteed to strap the team financially.

esqtvd · Post #12 » by **esqtvd** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:09 am

Goner wrote:Frankly, I don't get the strange fascination with the number '3'. As Nick already argued, we'd be better off with loads of depth than an extra star on the court. If you think about it, most of the truly dynastic teams have all had two franchise-level stars along with significant depth. Think about it: Magic and Kareem, Jordan and Pippen, Shaq and Kobe... The forced big 3 teams of late didn't have an easy road to the chip. On the other hand, having three max players is guaranteed to strap the team financially.

HEAR HEAR

especially when the 3rd one was DJ

Doc tried to dump him but the emojis won

DJ's $20M could have bought a lot
there were some years he earned his pay but he was NEVER a bargain

never outplayed his contract and underplayed it most years

no disrespect for Beal but we finally have 8+ guys who any NBA coach would give serious minutes to

50CalClips · Post #13 » by **50CalClips** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:53 pm

Yogatti wrote:
50CalClips wrote:If they're reconfiguring the team to bring in another "max" guy, it should be a PF/C. Karl-Anthony Towns ilk... not Bradley Beal.

Talented wing players win championships in the modern era. I am not a fan of Karl-Anthony Towns at all. He plays soft, puts up big numbers but they're most empty stats because he doesn't win games and doesn't have any impact. He played absolutely terrible during that Rockets series.

[youtube]

He was a part of this embarrassing loss so you can throw away any argument of him being a top 15/top 10 player

Like I said, I wouldn't want this guy on my team and I certainly wouldn't throw max money at him

I'll take a close look a the guy... (I have my own list of guys that I wouldn't want on my team and I never thought of Towns as one of those guys). I could have said Embiid, but I was going for something more realistic. I'm mostly coming from the approach that we most need a C/PF upgrade, IF anything.

Anyway, we've got plenty of wings. Beal? Seems like overkill/unnecessary.
What would the Clippers look like with max-player Beal on the team? (who's not on the team?)

Yogatti · Post #14 » by **Yogatti** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:59 pm

50CalClips wrote:I'm mostly coming from the approach that we most need a C/PF upgrade, IF anything.

Anyway, we've got plenty of wings. Beal? Seems like overkill/unnecessary.
What would the Clippers look like with max-player Beal on the team? (who's not on the team?)

You can get decent role players for a C/PF upgrade. There's no need to spend $190 Million on a upgrade for C/PF upgrade. That is absolutely pointless. You learned nothing from the era where DAJ was the center.

Beal is overkill/unncessary? Was it overkill/unneccessary when Warriors added Kevin Durant to their Steph Curry/Klay Thompson perimeter scoring core?

What would the Clippers look like with max-player Beal on the team? Exactly what the Warriors looked like with Kevin Durant on their team.

Although I agree most big 3 have a short life span seeing as how thin and little depth the Warriors had at the end of their dynasty.

50CalClips · Post #15 » by **50CalClips** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:24 pm

KAT4PREZ wrote:
50CalClips wrote:If they're reconfiguring the team to bring in another "max" guy, it should be a PF/C. Karl-Anthony Towns ilk... not Bradley Beal.
Montrezl and Zubac would be the main trade pieces. Pat Bev and/or Lou Will would probably have to be involved.

PG - Landry Shamet
SG - Paul George
SF - Kawhi Leonard
PF - JaMychal Green
C - Karl-Anthony Towns
-----
G - Terance Mann
PF/C - Mfiondu Kabengele

PG - Jeff Teague
SG - Lou Williams/Pat Beverley
SF - Andrew Wiggins
PF - Montrezl Harrell
C - Ivica Zubac
-----
SG - Josh Okogie
F - Robert Covington
PF/C - Gorgui Dieng

Entire league can beat that offer lol

Well, that's projecting Zubac having a breakout season, and his contract being one of best bargains in the league... and Montrezl being close to a 20 pt-scorer at PF. But yeah, maybe it's a reach.

50CalClips · Post #16 » by **50CalClips** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:25 pm

Yogatti wrote:
50CalClips wrote:I'm mostly coming from the approach that we most need a C/PF upgrade, IF anything.

Anyway, we've got plenty of wings. Beal? Seems like overkill/unnecessary.
What would the Clippers look like with max-player Beal on the team? (who's not on the team?)

You can get decent role players for a C/PF upgrade. There's no need to spend $190 Million on a upgrade for C/PF upgrade. That is absolutely pointless. You learned nothing from the era where DAJ was the center.

Beal is overkill/unncessary? Was it overkill/unneccessary when Warriors added Kevin Durant to their Steph Curry/Klay Thompson perimeter scoring core?

What would the Clippers look like with max-player Beal on the team? Exactly what the Warriors looked like with Kevin Durant on their team.

Although I agree most big 3 have a short life span seeing as how thin and little depth the Warriors had at the end of their dynasty.

Overkill/unnecessary at the wing, yes. If we need an upgrade, it's a "big."

Eh... no offense but the Kevin Durant point is a non-starter.

1) The Warriors were already champs. If this Clippers team were ALREADY CHAMPS, and could just add Bradley Beal... great! But that's obviously not the scenario we're dealing in. So it's a mute point, really.

2) Curry is a PG, Klay is a SG... if anything, Durant, the 6'10" Forward, brought more 'balance' to the Warriors, positionally-speaking.

3) Bradley Beal or Kevin Durant? Hmmm... Come on. For a guy the caliber of Durant, the position thing wouldn't matter as much. Bradley Beal is not that caliber. So if there's a CHOICE, then I want the "Big"-equivalent of Beal (great, but not elite) rather than the SG.

Yogatti · Post #17 » by **Yogatti** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:21 pm

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esqtvd · Post #18 » by **esqtvd** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:32 am

Yogatti wrote:

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NBA-TV just pointed out that this contract makes Beal more tradable

come to think of it we just traded 5 first-round picks for only 2 guaranteed years of Paul George

true we got Kawhi thrown in
but we only have 2 guaranteed years of him too...

clipperlover · Post #19 » by **clipperlover** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:56 pm

I think Beal is a very good player and i would love to have him on the team. However, if I am going to mortgage the futrure and decimate the roster to add a SG, then I am calling Indiana and trying to get Oladipo. VO would much better fit with Kawhi and PG than BB.

clipperlover · Post #20 » by **clipperlover** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:03 pm

esqtvd wrote:
Yogatti wrote:

Read on Twitter

NBA-TV just pointed out that this contract makes Beal more tradable

come to think of it we just traded 5 first-round picks for only 2 guaranteed years of Paul George

true we got Kawhi thrown in
but we only have 2 guaranteed years of him too...

The reality is that we traded 5 1st round picks to get Paul George and Kawhi. PG is who we needed in order to get Kawhi to sign. Well worth the picks. Picking up those two ensured Beverley stayed.