Shams: Heat interested in Chris Paul

[Flash4thewin]

I don't think you understand the situation, here. Paul's contract is awful. Miami won't be giving up picks no matter what flotsam OKC takes from us. In fact, they should still be paying Miami to take that contract.

The only way I do this trade if I'm Miami is if Paul agrees to waive that final year, but as BFRESH aptly pointed out, it's not happening.

Heat are over the cap anyway, spending more on CP3 doesn't limit their ability to sign free agents or other talent (they already can't). For over the cap teams the salary CP3 should only matter to ownership (and they seem fine with spending more). The best the Heat can do is to trade their existing expiring assets for longer-term assets for teams that want to dip under the cap ASAP.

In this case, the Heat the season after next would be Goran (if he resigns), Butler, Bam, Herro, Winslow, Waiters, JJ, and Olynyk. They can't add anyone else in FA. They are stuck. So the best they can do is trade some of these guys for a better player (CP3).

You're talking next year. That's wonderful. We don't care about next year's free-agent class. No one really good is hitting the market. It's the year after that we're focused on, and we do have cap space then. Taking on Chris Paul means we wouldn't have it, and would instead have a 37 year old Chris Paul making $44 million. Think about that. That's insane money for a guy likely to be ineffective and injured.

So, in order for Miami to take that deal, they need assets coming back. It's that simple. Our picks, or he's OKC's problem...

So objectively we signed Butler who has been a model citizen in all the places he was traded too, and in his limited prime are going to tell him to sit back and chill for a year? Let’s not forget we are coming off as a lottery team. Thats asking for trouble. It’s not like we have Butler recruiting his friends from the Wolves or 76ers. Looking at things objectively we need to make moves. If Paul comes cheap, he will make Bam better.

[spikeslovechild]

It’s the same garbage 3 months later.

OKC fans think he has positive value, and Miami fans think he has negative value (30 plus million in 2021 messing up the best FA class since 2010).

So obviously, there won’t be any agreement. And unless the Heat start off terribly and panic, I don’t see the team giving up the FA class for the corpse that is Chris Paul.

I wouldn’t give up our garbage that expires after next year for Paul simply because of that last year.

Chill with the **** hyperbole. The dude was well above average last season, quite far from a "corpse" in fact.

Also if Paul is getting overpaid by 20-30 million then taking that back in bad contracts should satisfy the conditions of the trade.

Noone is going to give you a discount because you want to be players in 21' FA and if that is of the upmost importance why express interest in the first place?

[Lilseb93]

I have the same opinion that I had in July. I only want him for picks. I don't want to take on that contract for older strong injury potential player. OKC doesn't want to trade away picks since they are rebuilding and will probably keep Paul. CP3 was never Miami's main target. It's Beal. They only have interest in CP3 if it benefits them. In other words, both teams are at an impasse and it's not going to get done. And I'm totally fine with that.

[heatwillbeback]

It’s the same garbage 3 months later.

OKC fans think he has positive value, and Miami fans think he has negative value (30 plus million in 2021 messing up the best FA class since 2010).

So obviously, there won’t be any agreement. And unless the Heat start off terribly and panic, I don’t see the team giving up the FA class for the corpse that is Chris Paul.

I wouldn’t give up our garbage that expires after next year for Paul simply because of that last year.

Chill with the **** hyperbole. The dude was well above average last season, quite far from a "corpse" in fact.

Also if Paul is getting overpaid by 20-30 million then taking that back in bad contracts should satisfy the conditions of the trade.

Noone is going to give you a discount because you want to be players in 21' FA and if that is of the upmost importance why express interest in the first place?

And this is precisely why I don’t see a deal being made.

44 million in 2021 (I underestimated).

Now for most teams you might take the player and picks over the slight chance in FA. But not Miami. You take the FA chance because your city is a destination. That’s how you win and have historically won.

Not paying 37 year old declining players 44 million.

[phanman]

I don't see a trade being made. OKC really isn't under any pressure at all with Paul's value at it's lowest and their roster make-up has them pegged as an ideal trade partner at the deadline for a playoff contender:

- Gallo will be easier to deal considering he is a 22m expiring and Roberson a 10m expiring
- Schroeder has two years @15m

Also having Paul on the roster will boost the value for a guy like Adams if he is on the market and SGA learning under Paul will be invaluable. He has the size to play alongside Paul.

[spikeslovechild]

I have the same opinion that I had in July. I only want him for picks. I don't want to take on that contract for older strong injury potential player. OKC doesn't want to trade away picks since they are rebuilding and will probably keep Paul. CP3 was never Miami's main target. It's Beal. They only have interest in CP3 if it benefits them. In other words, both teams are at an impasse and it's not going to get done. And I'm totally fine with that.

Ultimately I think Paul is going to have to expand his list of destinations to a team which is good but not normally a destination for FA.

Miami fans feel like they can sign a premium FA in '21 and if the FO feels the same it's almost impossible to see how a deal gets done. However, for a team that doesn't feel they are a destination (or don't have cap space) they are probably fine taking on extra year of Pauls contract for their own bad contracts.

To me a package of Paul and Gallo for contracts and picks with Dallas is the perfect combo. Gallo would fit in perfect with their euros and Paul would be a very good off the ball guy and 2nd ball handler to Doncic

[Lilseb93]

I have the same opinion that I had in July. I only want him for picks. I don't want to take on that contract for older strong injury potential player. OKC doesn't want to trade away picks since they are rebuilding and will probably keep Paul. CP3 was never Miami's main target. It's Beal. They only have interest in CP3 if it benefits them. In other words, both teams are at an impasse and it's not going to get done. And I'm totally fine with that.

Ultimately I think Paul is going to have to expand his list of destinations to a team which is good but not normally a destination for FA.

Miami fans feel like they can sign a premium FA in '21 and if the FO feels the same it's almost impossible to see how a deal gets done. However, for a team that doesn't feel they are a destination (or don't have cap space) they are probably fine taking on Pauls contract.

To me a package of Paul and Gallo for contracts and picks with Dallas is the perfect combo. Gallo would fit in perfect with their euros and Paul would be a very good off the ball guy and 2nd ball handler to Doncic

That works for Dallas. For Miami, we've historically won through getting FAs. Miami is a premiere destination and a respected franchise. Nothing is going to ruin that plan unless OKC blows them away which they won't. Like I said, the guy they wanted the most was Beal but Washington said no. So we're waiting for him to be a FA in 2021.

[iggymcfrack]

well, aside from the top 3 teams (Phily, Milly, Boston) the East is wide open, getting Paul means the Heat are probably the 4th best team in that conference. if they can get a top 4 seed who knows what can happen.

I would rather wait for better trade opportunities, or for free agency, where Miami will have an advantage over most of the other teams. Chris Paul contract is terrible, and he isn't good enough to make them a contender, even in the east.

wait for FA as in waste this year? and Miami is maxed out so they can't sign anyone in FA. and they don't have to give up much for Paul other than match salary.

The only players Miami has who will still be under contract in the summer of 2021 are Jimmy Butler, Justise Winslow, Tyler Herro, and KZ Okpala. That’s an incredibly attractive core for a superstar to join in one of the most beautiful cities in the United States.

Meanwhile, Chris Paul while very underrated doesn’t elevate the Heat above Milwaukee, Philly, or Toronto when you have to move several useful players to add him. He’d be a much better fit for a team closer to contention like Denver or with worse contracts to move like Minnesota.

[clyde21]

I would rather wait for better trade opportunities, or for free agency, where Miami will have an advantage over most of the other teams. Chris Paul contract is terrible, and he isn't good enough to make them a contender, even in the east.

wait for FA as in waste this year? and Miami is maxed out so they can't sign anyone in FA. and they don't have to give up much for Paul other than match salary.

The only players Miami has who will still be under contract in the summer of 2021 are Jimmy Butler, Justise Winslow, Tyler Herro, and KZ Okpala. That’s an incredibly attractive core for a superstar to join in one of the most beautiful cities in the United States.

Meanwhile, Chris Paul while very underrated doesn’t elevate the Heat above Milwaukee, Philly, or Toronto when you have to move several useful players to add him. He’d be a much better fit for a team closer to contention like Denver or with worse contracts to move like Minnesota.

what? that's not how it works. you're not counting the '20 FA. half the teams in the league 'only' have 5-6 players if you're going to skip an entire FA period.

and ur also not counting 9 players in cap holds

[anatomicbomb]

The Heat have a level of interest
That level of interest could be between 0 and some positive number.

I picture Pat Riley putting Chris Paul on the counter in front of cashier Sam Presti and saying, "He doesn't have a price on him, does that mean he's free?"

[BBallFreak]

Heat are over the cap anyway, spending more on CP3 doesn't limit their ability to sign free agents or other talent (they already can't). For over the cap teams the salary CP3 should only matter to ownership (and they seem fine with spending more). The best the Heat can do is to trade their existing expiring assets for longer-term assets for teams that want to dip under the cap ASAP.

In this case, the Heat the season after next would be Goran (if he resigns), Butler, Bam, Herro, Winslow, Waiters, JJ, and Olynyk. They can't add anyone else in FA. They are stuck. So the best they can do is trade some of these guys for a better player (CP3).

You're talking next year. That's wonderful. We don't care about next year's free-agent class. No one really good is hitting the market. It's the year after that we're focused on, and we do have cap space then. Taking on Chris Paul means we wouldn't have it, and would instead have a 37 year old Chris Paul making $44 million. Think about that. That's insane money for a guy likely to be ineffective and injured.

So, in order for Miami to take that deal, they need assets coming back. It's that simple. Our picks, or he's OKC's problem...

So objectively we signed Butler who has been a model citizen in all the places he was traded too, and in his limited prime are going to tell him to sit back and chill for a year? Let’s not forget we are coming off as a lottery team. Thats asking for trouble. It’s not like we have Butler recruiting his friends from the Wolves or 76ers. Looking at things objectively we need to make moves. If Paul comes cheap, he will make Bam better.

Objectively speaking, giving up value makes no sense. I'm fine if we get Paul. I am not fine if we don't get picks. His contract and age, as well as his injury history and attitude, do not want us leaving value on the table.

I don't care of that means we lose him. I will not sacrifice value to be saddled with that contract.

[djsunyc]

wall is the worst contract in the league.

but cp3, blake and hayward rank in that 2nd tier of horrid deals.

[vxmike]

Miami is capped out next summer. Jimmy is 30. I never understood waiting until hes 32 to try and build around that team.

They have plenty of expendable contracts in Dragic, Johnson, Olynyk, Waiters, Leonard. Might as well try to make a move and improve the team.

Agree. The next 2-3 years is their window. Might as well go for it especially if they can get their future 1st back.

[iggymcfrack]

wait for FA as in waste this year? and Miami is maxed out so they can't sign anyone in FA. and they don't have to give up much for Paul other than match salary.

The only players Miami has who will still be under contract in the summer of 2021 are Jimmy Butler, Justise Winslow, Tyler Herro, and KZ Okpala. That’s an incredibly attractive core for a superstar to join in one of the most beautiful cities in the United States.

Meanwhile, Chris Paul while very underrated doesn’t elevate the Heat above Milwaukee, Philly, or Toronto when you have to move several useful players to add him. He’d be a much better fit for a team closer to contention like Denver or with worse contracts to move like Minnesota.

what? that's not how it works. you're not counting the '20 FA. half the teams in the league 'only' have 5-6 players if you're going to skip an entire FA period.

and ur also not counting 9 players in cap holds

Miami’s one of the most attractive free agent destinations in the league and 2020’s the weakest free agency class since free agency started. They should absolutely be looking at the summer of 2021. And there are a lot of bad contracts that extend into the 21/22 season. Chris Paul for instance.

[hoosierdaddy34]

I hope the Heat trade for Paul.

I hope Dragic is included so that the Thunder waive him.

I hope the Lakers sign Dragic to a vet minimum deal.

I see the Lakers potentially winning this trade.

[BBallFreak]

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[Creativetran]

Paul
Butler
Winslow
Olynyk
Bam

That's a solid starting 5 in the east. They could easily make some noise.

I don't know if I would do this, Winslow only really took off a bit when they put the ball in his hand as the PG. Do you really want Winslow to just be staying around waiting for 3s?

[BBallFreak]

Paul
Butler
Winslow
Olynyk
Bam

That's a solid starting 5 in the east. They could easily make some noise.

I don't know if I would do this, Winslow only really took off a bit when they put the ball in his hand as the PG. Do you really want Winslow to just be staying around waiting for 3s?

In fairness, do you really think that would be the plan? Spolestra is no slouch as a coach. He is the reason positionless basketball is a thing in this league. You don't think a movement based system is already in the works for Miami, with or without Paul?

[Yeezus_]

I have the same opinion that I had in July. I only want him for picks. I don't want to take on that contract for older strong injury potential player. OKC doesn't want to trade away picks since they are rebuilding and will probably keep Paul. CP3 was never Miami's main target. It's Beal. They only have interest in CP3 if it benefits them. In other words, both teams are at an impasse and it's not going to get done. And I'm totally fine with that.

If Washington trades Beal they will be re-building. Exactly what picks would you guys trade for Beal that other teams couldnt top?

[BBallFreak]

I have the same opinion that I had in July. I only want him for picks. I don't want to take on that contract for older strong injury potential player. OKC doesn't want to trade away picks since they are rebuilding and will probably keep Paul. CP3 was never Miami's main target. It's Beal. They only have interest in CP3 if it benefits them. In other words, both teams are at an impasse and it's not going to get done. And I'm totally fine with that.

If Washington trades Beal they will be re-building. Exactly what picks would you guys trade for Beal that other teams couldnt top?

I think what he was suggesting was the we'd get our own picks back and be able to send out three firsts, as well as Justise and maybe Bam in exchange for Beal. Obviously we'd need to include filler, as well, but I think that was the general idea.