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CodeBreaker wrote:traax wrote:LakerLegend wrote:With the numbers Harden is putting up in this era Kobe would be pushing 40/10/10 averages.
Harden is better offensive player than Kober ever was. In basically every aspect of the game.
Nostalgia really clouds peoples perspective.
LOL. Basketball isn't played on an excel spreadsheet and then you just read their numbers.
GeorgeMarcus wrote:PaulLee wrote:GeorgeMarcus wrote:
His offensive impact is on a different level than Kobe's. I can throw out all the impact metrics that demonstrate as much, but that doesn't resonate with everybody. So I'll do it by efficiency.
By TS%:Spoiler:
Beyond that, Curry's off ball gravity and ability to play within the flow of the offense is more valuable than Kobe's iso-mode.
Regarding your question about defense, it really comes down the his defensive impact not aligning with his accomplishments. You'll find this to be a consensus opinion on the PC board, not that you should just believe what other people tell you.
I mean you cant really disagree with blatant stat comparisons which are as alarming as their TS% are here, but there's so much more to take into account when comparing their offensive value. I'm sure Steph would eventually come out on top if we did, but i'm not so sure if i would say by "a lot".
If we compared their defensive statistics, would we have a similar gap but with Kobe on top, or would you say it is closer?
Believe it or not, Curry has the advantage if you look at their DRPM over the years. Nothing major but clear enough that I don't have to calculate the averages (and a few seasons better ranking/rating than Kobe's best).
Curry is better at playing the passing lanes, despite being a worse on-ball defender than Kobe. Generally people overrate on-ball perimeter defense, which I think created the disconnect between perception/reality.
I'm not trying to knock Kobe (besides his defense being overrated). Curry is just that good. Top 3 in RAPM each of the last 5 years, when no other player has more than 1 in that span. Think about that... Kobe was top 3 once in 20 seasons. There's no bias or secret to RAPM, it's +/- data weighted for teammates/opponents. The only danger of RAPM is sample size, but 5 years is more than enough to draw conclusions (generally you need 2-3).
traax wrote:CodeBreaker wrote:traax wrote:
Harden is better offensive player than Kober ever was. In basically every aspect of the game.
Nostalgia really clouds peoples perspective.
LOL. Basketball isn't played on an excel spreadsheet and then you just read their numbers.
All these in depth statistics are much more valuable than your flawed eye test.
koningcosmo wrote:its funny how everyone that puts curry over Kobe is only talking about shooting and saying defense is overrated and that kobe wasnt a good defender even though he was all defense 1st team 9 times. i get you have to discredit defense to give curry the edge but all titels are won on defense even those of GSW.
can we just stop comparing players in the "oh you touched me thats a foul" era VS everything before that. because shooting % are up for a reason more fouls means less missed shots, means more FT means a higher TS and we all love to use TS with high percentage FT shooters who get ticky tacky fouls.
Jayt99 wrote:lmao at curry even being close
Imagine Kobe being saved by Andre igudola against a Lebron led Cavs team who's sidekick was Dellavedova
GeorgeMarcus wrote:koningcosmo wrote:its funny how everyone that puts curry over Kobe is only talking about shooting and saying defense is overrated and that kobe wasnt a good defender even though he was all defense 1st team 9 times. i get you have to discredit defense to give curry the edge but all titels are won on defense even those of GSW.
can we just stop comparing players in the "oh you touched me thats a foul" era VS everything before that. because shooting % are up for a reason more fouls means less missed shots, means more FT means a higher TS and we all love to use TS with high percentage FT shooters who get ticky tacky fouls.
Kobe's game was much more reliant on drawing fouls than Steph's, lol.
Regardless you're misrepresenting pro-Curry arguments. If we had access to the information we have today I promise you Kobe doesn't sniff 9 All-Defensive teams. Impact is relative to era, and Curry's impact is demonstrably greater than Kobe's. If we forget longevity and focus on peak, Curry wins this by a country mile.
what did this guy bring in the playoffs?? beat an injured cavs lost in the biggest choke job, needed the best scorer in the current game to safe his ass and be the FMVP, Iggy stole the only chance of him having a FMVP, when KD and klay went down he couldnt do ****. he shot 53-128 FG 41,40% 23-67 3pts 34,32% against the raptors GOAT PEAK for sure.
Pennebaker wrote:And Bird did it while being a defensive liability. But he also made All-Defensive teams, which was another controversial issue regarding Bird and votes.
Up-And-Coming wrote:Curry is the GOAT player that's 6'3" and under
Pennebaker wrote:And Bird did it while being a defensive liability. But he also made All-Defensive teams, which was another controversial issue regarding Bird and votes.
JN61 wrote:At this moment clearly Bryant. His longeativity is just another level compared to Curry. Literally double the numbers in the most categories, awards, stats it doesn't matter.
Bryant is clear cut top 10 player. Curry at this time somewhere between 25-30.
JN61 wrote:Bryant is clear cut top 10 player. Curry at this time somewhere between 25-30.
koningcosmo wrote:its funny how everyone that puts curry over Kobe is only talking about shooting and saying defense is overrated and that kobe wasnt a good defender even though he was all defense 1st team 9 times. i get you have to discredit defense to give curry the edge but all titels are won on defense even those of GSW.
can we just stop comparing players in the "oh you touched me thats a foul" era VS everything before that. because shooting % are up for a reason more fouls means less missed shots, means more FT means a higher TS and we all love to use TS with high percentage FT shooters who get ticky tacky fouls.
Matt800 wrote:Kobe could score on several defenders when his team needed points. Curry can play within a team scheme and hit open shots at a very high level. I think both are elite in different ways. But I think Kobe could play in a lot of different eras successfully whereas Curry might not be as good in some other eras if coaches didn't want him shooting volume 3s as much, and if defenders were more physical with him. I think Kobe is known for being one of the hardest workers and most durable which gives an edge too.
