Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath

[Jeff Van Gully]

I guess you don't understand the nature of comparisons because people use them to describe style of play and role if a guy fulfills potential not that they are an exact carbon copy of that player currently but we shouldn't expect that much understanding from some people it appears.

Comparing Frank to iguodala is unfair to frank and just not very realistic IMO. So much of iguodalas game revolves/revolved around his fluidity and athleticism (early Iggy). Maybe an old Iguodala but I still think it’s off.

Exactly. Any Frank comparison needs to be heavily disclaimed. Maybe he can be a less physical Marcus Smart. Good defender and passer but poor on offense otherwise. He’s not shown he can be as good as Smart yet, we just have to hope.

smart is aggressive despite his limitations. frank seems to have higher offensive IQ and passing creativity. a lot of complaints about smart seem to be that on offense he's not so... you know.

[HerSports85]

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[HarthorneWingo]

Fire Fizdale and hire Collet

[Fat]

Wouldn’t be shocked if our best back court ended up being RJ/Ntilkina with Rj controlling the ball.

[GONYK]

Wouldn’t be shocked if our best back court ended up being RJ/Ntilkina with Rj controlling the ball.

When I was initially high on RJ coming into the his season at Duke, I thought it would be an absolutely perfect pairing. Great size, very complementary skill sets (provided one of them finds a consistent jumper), open court and halfcourt potential.

Hopefully we get a chance to see it this year.

[Blockwatcher]

Camp start yet? Frank snuff anybody?

[GONYK]

Camp start yet? Frank snuff anybody?

[NYKAL]

Wouldn’t be shocked if our best back court ended up being RJ/Ntilkina with Rj controlling the ball.

I posted that very thing a couple of days ago. I think RJ will need the ball in his hands to fulfill his potential and will need an anchor next to him. That's also a pretty big back court which I like

[god shammgod]

nobody can shoot though. a backcourt where nobody can shoot in 2019 ?

that's why i'm team rj & trier. lol. it's not perfect but it's the best we got.

[moocow007]

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That's saying it mildly. It's all up to him. If he settles and defers again he'll be gone before the All-Star break.

[moocow007]

Wouldn’t be shocked if our best back court ended up being RJ/Ntilkina with Rj controlling the ball.

I posted that very thing a couple of days ago. I think RJ will need the ball in his hands to fulfill his potential and will need an anchor next to him. That's also a pretty big back court which I like

You can't win with a back court that can't shoot. Ntilinkina is the worst shooter out of all their guards. You put these 2 in the back court and teams will just clog the paint whenever anyone tries anything which will then effectively marginalize the biggest offensive skills of their top 3 offensive players (Randle who operates best in ISO in and near the paint area, Smith who drives more than most scoring points and RJ who works best going to the basket to his left). And for what? To get Ntilinkina's "great defense" into the rotation? His defense isn't THAT good. In fact Ntilinkina's DPBM (defensive box plus-minus) is in the negative and his Defensive Rating is over 110 for his career so far. Those are not good defensive metrics. Just because he was mentioned, but if you look at a Marcus Smart, he actually has a consistent DBPM in the positive and Defensive Rating under 110.

[GONYK]

Wouldn’t be shocked if our best back court ended up being RJ/Ntilkina with Rj controlling the ball.

I posted that very thing a couple of days ago. I think RJ will need the ball in his hands to fulfill his potential and will need an anchor next to him. That's also a pretty big back court which I like

You can't win with a back court that can't shoot. Ntilinkina is the worst shooter out of all their guards. You put these 2 in the back court and teams will just clog the paint whenever anyone tries anything which will then effectively marginalize the biggest offensive skills of their top 3 offensive players (Randle who operates best in ISO in and near the paint area, Smith who drives more than most scoring points and RJ who works best going to the basket to his left). To do what? Get Ntilinkina's defense into the rotation? His defense isn't THAT good. In fact Ntilinkina's DPBM is in the negative and his DRating is over 110 for his career so far. Those are not good defensive metrics.

We don't have the personnel to field a backcourt that can reliably shoot, no matter what prospective lineup you roll out.

[moocow007]

I posted that very thing a couple of days ago. I think RJ will need the ball in his hands to fulfill his potential and will need an anchor next to him. That's also a pretty big back court which I like

You can't win with a back court that can't shoot. Ntilinkina is the worst shooter out of all their guards. You put these 2 in the back court and teams will just clog the paint whenever anyone tries anything which will then effectively marginalize the biggest offensive skills of their top 3 offensive players (Randle who operates best in ISO in and near the paint area, Smith who drives more than most scoring points and RJ who works best going to the basket to his left). To do what? Get Ntilinkina's defense into the rotation? His defense isn't THAT good. In fact Ntilinkina's DPBM is in the negative and his DRating is over 110 for his career so far. Those are not good defensive metrics.

We don't have the personnel to field a backcourt that can reliably shoot, no matter what prospective lineup you roll out.

So you put the worst guard shooter in the starting backcourt in with the worst wing shooter? To do what? Get Ntilikina's vaunted defense into the rotation? His defensive stats have not been good. It just hasn't been near as bad as his offensive metrics and his defense hasn't sucked as much as his teammates. Unlike the Knicks other guards, he's the only offensive liability. For a team that is geared towards offense (it is what it is) it doens't make sense to try to win by adding a slight upgrade on defense at the cost of a significant downgrade on offense. It only makes sense if Ntilikina actually comes out and plays offense like he actually isn't afraid of it. Then absolutely. But thus far Ntilinkina has been one of the worst offensive players in the league. As of right now, does not make sense for that backcourt.

[god shammgod]

I posted that very thing a couple of days ago. I think RJ will need the ball in his hands to fulfill his potential and will need an anchor next to him. That's also a pretty big back court which I like

You can't win with a back court that can't shoot. Ntilinkina is the worst shooter out of all their guards. You put these 2 in the back court and teams will just clog the paint whenever anyone tries anything which will then effectively marginalize the biggest offensive skills of their top 3 offensive players (Randle who operates best in ISO in and near the paint area, Smith who drives more than most scoring points and RJ who works best going to the basket to his left). To do what? Get Ntilinkina's defense into the rotation? His defense isn't THAT good. In fact Ntilinkina's DPBM is in the negative and his DRating is over 110 for his career so far. Those are not good defensive metrics.

We don't have the personnel to field a backcourt that can reliably shoot, no matter what prospective lineup you roll out.

[god shammgod]

trier's shooting >>>> frank's defense. come at me bros lol

[GONYK]

You can't win with a back court that can't shoot. Ntilinkina is the worst shooter out of all their guards. You put these 2 in the back court and teams will just clog the paint whenever anyone tries anything which will then effectively marginalize the biggest offensive skills of their top 3 offensive players (Randle who operates best in ISO in and near the paint area, Smith who drives more than most scoring points and RJ who works best going to the basket to his left). To do what? Get Ntilinkina's defense into the rotation? His defense isn't THAT good. In fact Ntilinkina's DPBM is in the negative and his DRating is over 110 for his career so far. Those are not good defensive metrics.

We don't have the personnel to field a backcourt that can reliably shoot, no matter what prospective lineup you roll out.

So you put the worst guard shooter in the starting backcourt in with the worst wing shooter? To do what? Get Ntilikina's vaunted defense into the rotation? His defensive stats have not been good. It just hasn't been near as bad as his offensive metrics and his defense hasn't sucked as much as his teammates. Unlike the Knicks other guards, he's the only offensive liability. For a team that is geared towards offense (it is what it is) it doens't make sense to try to win by adding a slight upgrade on defense at the cost of a significant downgrade on offense. It only makes sense if Ntilikina actually comes out and plays offense like he actually isn't afraid of it. Then absolutely. But thus far Ntilinkina has been one of the worst offensive players in the league.

Well, Frank unquestionably needs to perform better offensively. I'm just saying that every other non-Frank piece in the backcourt is extremely ill-fitting and none of them can shoot.

I would say Frank shooting 3's at 34% clip and guarding the point of attack (where he's elite), is probably the ideal backcourt mate to every permutation of guard you set next to him.

[GONYK]

You can't win with a back court that can't shoot. Ntilinkina is the worst shooter out of all their guards. You put these 2 in the back court and teams will just clog the paint whenever anyone tries anything which will then effectively marginalize the biggest offensive skills of their top 3 offensive players (Randle who operates best in ISO in and near the paint area, Smith who drives more than most scoring points and RJ who works best going to the basket to his left). To do what? Get Ntilinkina's defense into the rotation? His defense isn't THAT good. In fact Ntilinkina's DPBM is in the negative and his DRating is over 110 for his career so far. Those are not good defensive metrics.

We don't have the personnel to field a backcourt that can reliably shoot, no matter what prospective lineup you roll out.

I see one low-volume shooter and one brick layer.

[god shammgod]

We don't have the personnel to field a backcourt that can reliably shoot, no matter what prospective lineup you roll out.

I see one low-volume shooter and one brick layer.

he's only low volume because he doesn't start. i've solved that problem.

[god shammgod]

and there's no way to get two good shooters in the backcourt. i can't perform miracles with this front office picking the players.

[GONYK]

I see one low-volume shooter and one brick layer.

he's only low volume because he doesn't start. i've solved that problem.

I look forward to Fiz disappointing you.