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Tracymcgoaty wrote:GG0701 wrote:These Kawhi hate threads are so agenda driven and tired.
Hate? I was adressing the double standards..or the double standards i thought existed which was proven wrong.
Bornstellar wrote:HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:Bornstellar wrote:No he wasnt. The revisionist history on this board is disgusting
2009 - 1st round exit and only won 1 game
2010 - 2nd round sweep
2011 - lost 1st round 2-4
That's 7 playoff wins in three years, horrible for the TD era. They lacked athleticism and that's why they tried with the failed Richard Jefferson experiment. Kawhi was the x factor that gave them athleticism and defense on the wing they been missing since Bruce Bowen left. By 2014 finals, Kawhi would not only be the main guy guarding Lebron but also spurs best scorer.
2012 is also the year that Duncan slimmed down, Spurs got rid of deadweight Jefferson, grabbed Diaw and revived him, traded for Captain Jack, Danny Green really coming onto the scene, TP having (another) all-star year, Splitter finally getting minutes, etc. Yes, Kawhi was a cog in that. NO ONE IS SAYING HE WAS NOT. But he did not LEAD the Spurs to rings. He was the man on our 2015-2017 teams that were all sadly disappointments.
Once again, Kawhi was a part in all that. But to me, the biggest part was Duncan's resurgence. He was looking close to done in 2010, and over the next couple years he slimmed down, changed his diet, restricted his minutes, and really took a backseat on offense and focused more on overall team play and defense. It's no surprise he ended up being 1st team in 2013 as an old man. He was also carrying the Spurs against the Clippers in 2015 as an even older man when Kawhi was choking in the last 3 games of the series. So yeah, Kawhi deserves credit, but he is just a piece in the overall puzzle
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:Bornstellar wrote:HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
2009 - 1st round exit and only won 1 game
2010 - 2nd round sweep
2011 - lost 1st round 2-4
That's 7 playoff wins in three years, horrible for the TD era. They lacked athleticism and that's why they tried with the failed Richard Jefferson experiment. Kawhi was the x factor that gave them athleticism and defense on the wing they been missing since Bruce Bowen left. By 2014 finals, Kawhi would not only be the main guy guarding Lebron but also spurs best scorer.
2012 is also the year that Duncan slimmed down, Spurs got rid of deadweight Jefferson, grabbed Diaw and revived him, traded for Captain Jack, Danny Green really coming onto the scene, TP having (another) all-star year, Splitter finally getting minutes, etc. Yes, Kawhi was a cog in that. NO ONE IS SAYING HE WAS NOT. But he did not LEAD the Spurs to rings. He was the man on our 2015-2017 teams that were all sadly disappointments.
Once again, Kawhi was a part in all that. But to me, the biggest part was Duncan's resurgence. He was looking close to done in 2010, and over the next couple years he slimmed down, changed his diet, restricted his minutes, and really took a backseat on offense and focused more on overall team play and defense. It's no surprise he ended up being 1st team in 2013 as an old man. He was also carrying the Spurs against the Clippers in 2015 as an even older man when Kawhi was choking in the last 3 games of the series. So yeah, Kawhi deserves credit, but he is just a piece in the overall puzzle
7 playoff wins speaks for itself and Duncan was still getting older and older, Manu was out of his prime by 2013 and those are the two best players of the team during all their rings.
- 2014 it was still Duncan that was the leader but Kawhi Leonard was still the best player on the team because he was a better scorer than Duncan at that point and guarded Lebron.
- 2015 Duncan was still the leader and trying to go for a repeat and couldn't block a midget Chris Paul at the end of game 7 because he was too old. It still wasn't Leonard's team yet, his usage was way too low. Leonard didn't "choke" in 2015! He increased his PPG by 4 point in the playoffs and even had a higher TS as well. Clippers series the offense was more about posting up Duncan still.
2016 - Duncan took a major step back this year and it was officially Kawhi's team. 67 wins was the result. Problem is, Kawhi was 1a to 1b because Lamarcus is too stupid to take his head out of his ass and quit pretending he's a 1st option scorer. Kawhi loses but isn't the #1 scorer in the series
2017 - Kawhi dominates in the playoffs 28PPG 67% TS and was going to beat Warriors on the road and go up 1-0 but was cheap shot.
Leonard since becoming clear 1st option scorer on his teams in 2017 and 2019 playoffs is 6-0 in series and beating teams anchored by Marc Gasol, Embiid, Giannis, Draymond Green.
GG0701 wrote:Soulcatcher33 wrote:Kawhi is probably the worst one yet. He’s a huge a snake.
How?
Woj randomly says Kawhi and PG talked right before FA, something he never mentioned before, while Kawhi was a FA. Then people added a bunch of their own assumptions to it.
The “heatles” colluded when Lebron and Bosh were both under contract during the season.
KD and Kyrie made plans a long time ago.
The Warriors were chasing KD during the playoffs.
Lebron, AD and Klutch turned AD’s last season with the Pelicans into a s***show.
We could go on and on.
Bigfactsstackz wrote:HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:Bornstellar wrote:
2012 is also the year that Duncan slimmed down, Spurs got rid of deadweight Jefferson, grabbed Diaw and revived him, traded for Captain Jack, Danny Green really coming onto the scene, TP having (another) all-star year, Splitter finally getting minutes, etc. Yes, Kawhi was a cog in that. NO ONE IS SAYING HE WAS NOT. But he did not LEAD the Spurs to rings. He was the man on our 2015-2017 teams that were all sadly disappointments.
Once again, Kawhi was a part in all that. But to me, the biggest part was Duncan's resurgence. He was looking close to done in 2010, and over the next couple years he slimmed down, changed his diet, restricted his minutes, and really took a backseat on offense and focused more on overall team play and defense. It's no surprise he ended up being 1st team in 2013 as an old man. He was also carrying the Spurs against the Clippers in 2015 as an even older man when Kawhi was choking in the last 3 games of the series. So yeah, Kawhi deserves credit, but he is just a piece in the overall puzzle
7 playoff wins speaks for itself and Duncan was still getting older and older, Manu was out of his prime by 2013 and those are the two best players of the team during all their rings.
- 2014 it was still Duncan that was the leader but Kawhi Leonard was still the best player on the team because he was a better scorer than Duncan at that point and guarded Lebron.
- 2015 Duncan was still the leader and trying to go for a repeat and couldn't block a midget Chris Paul at the end of game 7 because he was too old. It still wasn't Leonard's team yet, his usage was way too low. Leonard didn't "choke" in 2015! He increased his PPG by 4 point in the playoffs and even had a higher TS as well. Clippers series the offense was more about posting up Duncan still.
2016 - Duncan took a major step back this year and it was officially Kawhi's team. 67 wins was the result. Problem is, Kawhi was 1a to 1b because Lamarcus is too stupid to take his head out of his ass and quit pretending he's a 1st option scorer. Kawhi loses but isn't the #1 scorer in the series
2017 - Kawhi dominates in the playoffs 28PPG 67% TS and was going to beat Warriors on the road and go up 1-0 but was cheap shot.
Leonard since becoming clear 1st option scorer on his teams in 2017 and 2019 playoffs is 6-0 in series and beating teams anchored by Marc Gasol, Embiid, Giannis, Draymond Green.
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:Bornstellar wrote:HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
2009 - 1st round exit and only won 1 game
2010 - 2nd round sweep
2011 - lost 1st round 2-4
That's 7 playoff wins in three years, horrible for the TD era. They lacked athleticism and that's why they tried with the failed Richard Jefferson experiment. Kawhi was the x factor that gave them athleticism and defense on the wing they been missing since Bruce Bowen left. By 2014 finals, Kawhi would not only be the main guy guarding Lebron but also spurs best scorer.
2012 is also the year that Duncan slimmed down, Spurs got rid of deadweight Jefferson, grabbed Diaw and revived him, traded for Captain Jack, Danny Green really coming onto the scene, TP having (another) all-star year, Splitter finally getting minutes, etc. Yes, Kawhi was a cog in that. NO ONE IS SAYING HE WAS NOT. But he did not LEAD the Spurs to rings. He was the man on our 2015-2017 teams that were all sadly disappointments.
Once again, Kawhi was a part in all that. But to me, the biggest part was Duncan's resurgence. He was looking close to done in 2010, and over the next couple years he slimmed down, changed his diet, restricted his minutes, and really took a backseat on offense and focused more on overall team play and defense. It's no surprise he ended up being 1st team in 2013 as an old man. He was also carrying the Spurs against the Clippers in 2015 as an even older man when Kawhi was choking in the last 3 games of the series. So yeah, Kawhi deserves credit, but he is just a piece in the overall puzzle
7 playoff wins speaks for itself and Duncan was still getting older and older, Manu was out of his prime by 2013 and those are the two best players of the team during all their rings.
- 2014 it was still Duncan that was the leader but Kawhi Leonard was still the best player on the team because he was a better scorer than Duncan at that point and guarded Lebron.
- 2015 Duncan was still the leader and trying to go for a repeat and couldn't block a midget Chris Paul at the end of game 7 because he was too old. It still wasn't Leonard's team yet, his usage was way too low. Leonard didn't "choke" in 2015! He increased his PPG by 4 point in the playoffs and even had a higher TS as well. Clippers series the offense was more about posting up Duncan still.
2016 - Duncan took a major step back this year and it was officially Kawhi's team. 67 wins was the result. Problem is, Kawhi was 1a to 1b because Lamarcus is too stupid to take his head out of his ass and quit pretending he's a 1st option scorer. Kawhi loses but isn't the #1 scorer in the series
2017 - Kawhi dominates in the playoffs 28PPG 67% TS and was going to beat Warriors on the road and go up 1-0 but was cheap shot.
Leonard since becoming clear 1st option scorer on his teams in 2017 and 2019 playoffs is 6-0 in series and beating teams anchored by Marc Gasol, Embiid, Giannis, Draymond Green.
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:Bigfactsstackz wrote:HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
7 playoff wins speaks for itself and Duncan was still getting older and older, Manu was out of his prime by 2013 and those are the two best players of the team during all their rings.
- 2014 it was still Duncan that was the leader but Kawhi Leonard was still the best player on the team because he was a better scorer than Duncan at that point and guarded Lebron.
- 2015 Duncan was still the leader and trying to go for a repeat and couldn't block a midget Chris Paul at the end of game 7 because he was too old. It still wasn't Leonard's team yet, his usage was way too low. Leonard didn't "choke" in 2015! He increased his PPG by 4 point in the playoffs and even had a higher TS as well. Clippers series the offense was more about posting up Duncan still.
2016 - Duncan took a major step back this year and it was officially Kawhi's team. 67 wins was the result. Problem is, Kawhi was 1a to 1b because Lamarcus is too stupid to take his head out of his ass and quit pretending he's a 1st option scorer. Kawhi loses but isn't the #1 scorer in the series
2017 - Kawhi dominates in the playoffs 28PPG 67% TS and was going to beat Warriors on the road and go up 1-0 but was cheap shot.
Leonard since becoming clear 1st option scorer on his teams in 2017 and 2019 playoffs is 6-0 in series and beating teams anchored by Marc Gasol, Embiid, Giannis, Draymond Green.
And they lost. What is a 23 year old supposed to tell the goat PF who wants post touches in an era that doesn't even post anymore? Wasn't kawhi's fault, if prime Kawhi plays Clippers than its a series win.
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:picc wrote:There's been a bunch of multi page threads calling him out for it even before the woj "bomb". So your question is based on a false premise.
Even with that, he's already won multiple championships so its not as cringey as when other players did it.
This. He's been called out and criticized a ton. In fact, I'd wager at this point that Kawhi is now universally hated on this forum besides by Clippers fans. People are going crazy about this right now.
Thaddy wrote:I can tell you right now the Bulls will collapse by mid season and will be fighting in or for the play in.
Remember it.
Drygon wrote:ClipsFanSince98 wrote:picc wrote:There's been a bunch of multi page threads calling him out for it even before the woj "bomb". So your question is based on a false premise.
Even with that, he's already won multiple championships so its not as cringey as when other players did it.
This. He's been called out and criticized a ton. In fact, I'd wager at this point that Kawhi is now universally hated from LeBron stans on this forum except Clippers fans. People are going crazy about this right now.
FTFY
Kawhi is the best player in the world and after KD went down, Kawhi has become a potential roadblock for LeBron to surpass MJ.
Bigfactsstackz wrote:HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:Bornstellar wrote:
2012 is also the year that Duncan slimmed down, Spurs got rid of deadweight Jefferson, grabbed Diaw and revived him, traded for Captain Jack, Danny Green really coming onto the scene, TP having (another) all-star year, Splitter finally getting minutes, etc. Yes, Kawhi was a cog in that. NO ONE IS SAYING HE WAS NOT. But he did not LEAD the Spurs to rings. He was the man on our 2015-2017 teams that were all sadly disappointments.
Once again, Kawhi was a part in all that. But to me, the biggest part was Duncan's resurgence. He was looking close to done in 2010, and over the next couple years he slimmed down, changed his diet, restricted his minutes, and really took a backseat on offense and focused more on overall team play and defense. It's no surprise he ended up being 1st team in 2013 as an old man. He was also carrying the Spurs against the Clippers in 2015 as an even older man when Kawhi was choking in the last 3 games of the series. So yeah, Kawhi deserves credit, but he is just a piece in the overall puzzle
7 playoff wins speaks for itself and Duncan was still getting older and older, Manu was out of his prime by 2013 and those are the two best players of the team during all their rings.
- 2014 it was still Duncan that was the leader but Kawhi Leonard was still the best player on the team because he was a better scorer than Duncan at that point and guarded Lebron.
- 2015 Duncan was still the leader and trying to go for a repeat and couldn't block a midget Chris Paul at the end of game 7 because he was too old. It still wasn't Leonard's team yet, his usage was way too low. Leonard didn't "choke" in 2015! He increased his PPG by 4 point in the playoffs and even had a higher TS as well. Clippers series the offense was more about posting up Duncan still.
2016 - Duncan took a major step back this year and it was officially Kawhi's team. 67 wins was the result. Problem is, Kawhi was 1a to 1b because Lamarcus is too stupid to take his head out of his ass and quit pretending he's a 1st option scorer. Kawhi loses but isn't the #1 scorer in the series
2017 - Kawhi dominates in the playoffs 28PPG 67% TS and was going to beat Warriors on the road and go up 1-0 but was cheap shot.
Leonard since becoming clear 1st option scorer on his teams in 2017 and 2019 playoffs is 6-0 in series and beating teams anchored by Marc Gasol, Embiid, Giannis, Draymond Green.
JVC1011 wrote:HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:Bigfactsstackz wrote:
And they lost. What is a 23 year old supposed to tell the goat PF who wants post touches in an era that doesn't even post anymore? Wasn't kawhi's fault, if prime Kawhi plays Clippers than its a series win.
They lost game 6 by 6 points and game 7 by 2 points
Leonard shot 3-15 in G6 and 5-16 in G7...Duncan OTOH 6-9 in G6 and 11–16 in G7 as a 39 year old
As for 2014 while Kawhi was the best player in games 3-5 in the finals, I think Duncan was still the better player overall in the RS+Playoffs... although by that point they were both really just super role players and everyone on that team played huge during different times of that season
hilariousSK21209 wrote:Bigfactsstackz wrote:HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
7 playoff wins speaks for itself and Duncan was still getting older and older, Manu was out of his prime by 2013 and those are the two best players of the team during all their rings.
- 2014 it was still Duncan that was the leader but Kawhi Leonard was still the best player on the team because he was a better scorer than Duncan at that point and guarded Lebron.
- 2015 Duncan was still the leader and trying to go for a repeat and couldn't block a midget Chris Paul at the end of game 7 because he was too old. It still wasn't Leonard's team yet, his usage was way too low. Leonard didn't "choke" in 2015! He increased his PPG by 4 point in the playoffs and even had a higher TS as well. Clippers series the offense was more about posting up Duncan still.
2016 - Duncan took a major step back this year and it was officially Kawhi's team. 67 wins was the result. Problem is, Kawhi was 1a to 1b because Lamarcus is too stupid to take his head out of his ass and quit pretending he's a 1st option scorer. Kawhi loses but isn't the #1 scorer in the series
2017 - Kawhi dominates in the playoffs 28PPG 67% TS and was going to beat Warriors on the road and go up 1-0 but was cheap shot.
Leonard since becoming clear 1st option scorer on his teams in 2017 and 2019 playoffs is 6-0 in series and beating teams anchored by Marc Gasol, Embiid, Giannis, Draymond Green.
Lol this is just so wrong. In 2014 TD was the team’s second leading scorer, leading rebounder, leading shot blocker and started 77 games. Either he or Parker were the best player on that team; there’s no argument for Kawhi.
The Spurs offense was not about posting up Duncan in 2015, that’s absurd. I watched every second of that series and TD destroyed DJ; the Spurs lost because Parker was injured and terrible which seriously undermined their offense.
I love Kawhi but it’s obvious revisionist history to anyone who watched the Spurs then to say that Kawhi was the guy on that team.
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:JVC1011 wrote:HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
And they lost. What is a 23 year old supposed to tell the goat PF who wants post touches in an era that doesn't even post anymore? Wasn't kawhi's fault, if prime Kawhi plays Clippers than its a series win.
They lost game 6 by 6 points and game 7 by 2 points
Leonard shot 3-15 in G6 and 5-16 in G7...Duncan OTOH 6-9 in G6 and 11–16 in G7 as a 39 year old
As for 2014 while Kawhi was the best player in games 3-5 in the finals, I think Duncan was still the better player overall in the RS+Playoffs... although by that point they were both really just super role players and everyone on that team played huge during different times of that season
Thats just cherry picking on your part. Like I already said, Leonard's PPG went from 16 to 20 PPG from reg season to playoffs in 2015 and his TS increased as well. Go look at tony parker stats if you want to blame somebody. If Parker plays decent, spurs win the series and probably even win the the title.
The fact is, healthy Leonard hasn't lost a playoff series since a team has became clear his (2017-present). 2015 Duncan was still getting a lot of post touches and Leonard's usage was low. 2016 Lamarcus was spurs #1 scorer vs thunder and they lost. Leonard beat rockets, grizzles, 76ers, bucks, warriors all as the man. 2016, I don't think Lamarcus knew just who he was dealing with (kawhi). By 2017, Lamarcus took a step back and they were about to go up 1-0 on Curry/Durant Warriors.
Bornstellar wrote:also:
2016:
LMA: 18/8.5/1/1.7 in 30mpg 51% shooting on 14 FGA
Kawhi: 21.2/6.8/2.6/1.8 in 33mpg 50% shooting on 15.1 FGA
Leonard played more minutes, scored more points, took more shots, but yeah man, it was totally LMA's team in his first season in San Antonio
