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Re: Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK 

Post#1861 » by twix2500 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:44 am

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twix2500 wrote:I do not care what Cavs do with Dragic and Olynyk before anyone says it. They can flip them somewhere else that is not my concern.

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SF: Justise Winslow - Derrick Jones Jr - Duncan Robinson
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I like this but do you think there might be Pistons-Thunder-Heat trade where the picks go to the Pistons and we get Blake Griffin to put together with Chris Paul? Is that not a good idea?


Pistons are one of those teams, I can not comprehend what the hell they are trying to do. Do you realize they are still paying Josh Smith lol
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Post#1863 » by gom » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:35 am

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twix2500 wrote:I do not care what Cavs do with Dragic and Olynyk before anyone says it. They can flip them somewhere else that is not my concern.

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SG: Jimmy Butler - Tyler Herro - Jr Smith ~ Free Agency
SF: Justise Winslow - Derrick Jones Jr - Duncan Robinson
PF: Kevin Love - KZ Okpala - Udonis Haslem
Ce: Bam Adebayo - A. Zizic - Marc Gasol or Ibaka ~ Buyout Free Agents



I like this but do you think there might be Pistons-Thunder-Heat trade where the picks go to the Pistons and we get Blake Griffin to put together with Chris Paul? Is that not a good idea?


Pistons are one of those teams, I can not comprehend what the hell they are trying to do. Do you realize they are still paying Josh Smith lol


We can't talk. In 2018-19, we just finished paying for McRoberts... the $350,088 owed to AJ Hammons. Josh McRoberts.
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Post#1864 » by Mos_Heat » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:04 am

OKC's beat reporter Royce Young on Dunc'd On pod said expectation around the team is that CP will play this year in Thunder uniform.

He also said that Presti will not attach any picks in a potential Paul trade
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Post#1865 » by twix2500 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:27 am

So OKC appears to be sending out a clear message they will not agree to the Heat proposal for Paul. I guess it's time for the Heat to explore the next possible moves without Paul in the equation. Those picks would help prevent the Heat from gutting roster, meaning create gaping holes in the roster. Looks like the Heat will have to gut the roster to add another star and fill those holes in the off-season. But not sure without picks if it will be possible.

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Post#1866 » by AirP. » Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:18 pm

Mos_Heat wrote:OKC's beat reporter Royce Young on Dunc'd On pod said expectation around the team is that CP will play this year in Thunder uniform.

He also said that Presti will not attach any picks in a potential Paul trade

He also mentioned what I suspected, that he thinks OKC is trying to build leverage for the CP3 trade, so what Royce Young may be hearing could very well be propaganda. Unless OKC is going to try to create a contender on the run which I think they could by adding another good player (say Schroder + Roberson + picks) to CP3, Gallinari and Adams OKC really needs to be starting SGA for his development long term (because they see him as a long term core player).

Overall... OKC keeping CP3 and being happy not sending out 1 or 2 first round picks (lower 1st round picks like Miami's that they own) will hurt them long term by dropping OKC in the upcoming draft(s), for instance instead of possibly being bad enough to get the 5th overall pick, they could end up with the 13th pick which I'm not so sure 2 late 1st round picks would be enough to jump from 11th to 5th to get a better shot at a good long term player and that could happen for the next couple of years. I get not wanting to send out draft picks and a good player(which CP3 is) but good lord, they just did that to Houston. I believe OKC thought the CP3 trade wasn't much of a downgrade and figured they'd milk both Houston and Miami for picks, but Riley didn't go for that, OKC overplayed their hand.
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Post#1867 » by MadD23 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:12 pm

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Mos_Heat wrote:OKC's beat reporter Royce Young on Dunc'd On pod said expectation around the team is that CP will play this year in Thunder uniform.

He also said that Presti will not attach any picks in a potential Paul trade

He also mentioned what I suspected, that he thinks OKC is trying to build leverage for the CP3 trade, so what Royce Young may be hearing could very well be propaganda. Unless OKC is going to try to create a contender on the run which I think they could by adding another good player (say Schroder + Roberson + picks) to CP3, Gallinari and Adams OKC really needs to be starting SGA for his development long term (because they see him as a long term core player).

Overall... OKC keeping CP3 and being happy not sending out 1 or 2 first round picks (lower 1st round picks like Miami's that they own) will hurt them long term by dropping OKC in the upcoming draft(s), for instance instead of possibly being bad enough to get the 5th overall pick, they could end up with the 13th pick which I'm not so sure 2 late 1st round picks would be enough to jump from 11th to 5th to get a better shot at a good long term player and that could happen for the next couple of years. I get not wanting to send out draft picks and a good player(which CP3 is) but good lord, they just did that to Houston. I believe OKC thought the CP3 trade wasn't much of a downgrade and figured they'd milk both Houston and Miami for picks, but Riley didn't go for that, OKC overplayed their hand.



Agreed. OKC is shooting themselves on the foot. There is no way they can presently build a team on the fly to contend in the West. Keeping Paul does more bad than good if what they want is to rebuild with younger talent. They should offer Miami at least one of those late first round picks and call it a day.
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Post#1868 » by twix2500 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:28 pm

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AirP. wrote:
Mos_Heat wrote:OKC's beat reporter Royce Young on Dunc'd On pod said expectation around the team is that CP will play this year in Thunder uniform.

He also said that Presti will not attach any picks in a potential Paul trade

He also mentioned what I suspected, that he thinks OKC is trying to build leverage for the CP3 trade, so what Royce Young may be hearing could very well be propaganda. Unless OKC is going to try to create a contender on the run which I think they could by adding another good player (say Schroder + Roberson + picks) to CP3, Gallinari and Adams OKC really needs to be starting SGA for his development long term (because they see him as a long term core player).

Overall... OKC keeping CP3 and being happy not sending out 1 or 2 first round picks (lower 1st round picks like Miami's that they own) will hurt them long term by dropping OKC in the upcoming draft(s), for instance instead of possibly being bad enough to get the 5th overall pick, they could end up with the 13th pick which I'm not so sure 2 late 1st round picks would be enough to jump from 11th to 5th to get a better shot at a good long term player and that could happen for the next couple of years. I get not wanting to send out draft picks and a good player(which CP3 is) but good lord, they just did that to Houston. I believe OKC thought the CP3 trade wasn't much of a downgrade and figured they'd milk both Houston and Miami for picks, but Riley didn't go for that, OKC overplayed their hand.



Agreed. OKC is shooting themselves on the foot. There is no way they can presently build a team on the fly to contend in the West. Keeping Paul does more bad than good if what they want is to rebuild with younger talent. They should offer Miami at least one of those late first round picks and call it a day.
I think that is exactly how Miami is trying to leverage this. Eventually getting below the demand for 2 draft picks and getting one or just a straight JJ, Waiters and Meyers deal at the worse.

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Post#1869 » by MadD23 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:41 pm

twix2500 wrote:
MadD23 wrote:
AirP. wrote:He also mentioned what I suspected, that he thinks OKC is trying to build leverage for the CP3 trade, so what Royce Young may be hearing could very well be propaganda. Unless OKC is going to try to create a contender on the run which I think they could by adding another good player (say Schroder + Roberson + picks) to CP3, Gallinari and Adams OKC really needs to be starting SGA for his development long term (because they see him as a long term core player).

Overall... OKC keeping CP3 and being happy not sending out 1 or 2 first round picks (lower 1st round picks like Miami's that they own) will hurt them long term by dropping OKC in the upcoming draft(s), for instance instead of possibly being bad enough to get the 5th overall pick, they could end up with the 13th pick which I'm not so sure 2 late 1st round picks would be enough to jump from 11th to 5th to get a better shot at a good long term player and that could happen for the next couple of years. I get not wanting to send out draft picks and a good player(which CP3 is) but good lord, they just did that to Houston. I believe OKC thought the CP3 trade wasn't much of a downgrade and figured they'd milk both Houston and Miami for picks, but Riley didn't go for that, OKC overplayed their hand.



Agreed. OKC is shooting themselves on the foot. There is no way they can presently build a team on the fly to contend in the West. Keeping Paul does more bad than good if what they want is to rebuild with younger talent. They should offer Miami at least one of those late first round picks and call it a day.
I think that is exactly how Miami is trying to leverage this. Eventually getting below the demand for 2 draft picks and getting one or just a straight JJ, Waiters and Meyers deal at the worse.

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Is Gallo available to be traded already? Or they have to wait until Dec 15?

CP3 and Gallo could be something the Heat might be interested in. We would have to give up one of our young players (most likely Winslow) and not take back any pick, but is it worth it?

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Post#1870 » by AirP. » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:29 pm

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Mos_Heat wrote:OKC's beat reporter Royce Young on Dunc'd On pod said expectation around the team is that CP will play this year in Thunder uniform.

He also said that Presti will not attach any picks in a potential Paul trade

He also mentioned what I suspected, that he thinks OKC is trying to build leverage for the CP3 trade, so what Royce Young may be hearing could very well be propaganda. Unless OKC is going to try to create a contender on the run which I think they could by adding another good player (say Schroder + Roberson + picks) to CP3, Gallinari and Adams OKC really needs to be starting SGA for his development long term (because they see him as a long term core player).

Overall... OKC keeping CP3 and being happy not sending out 1 or 2 first round picks (lower 1st round picks like Miami's that they own) will hurt them long term by dropping OKC in the upcoming draft(s), for instance instead of possibly being bad enough to get the 5th overall pick, they could end up with the 13th pick which I'm not so sure 2 late 1st round picks would be enough to jump from 11th to 5th to get a better shot at a good long term player and that could happen for the next couple of years. I get not wanting to send out draft picks and a good player(which CP3 is) but good lord, they just did that to Houston. I believe OKC thought the CP3 trade wasn't much of a downgrade and figured they'd milk both Houston and Miami for picks, but Riley didn't go for that, OKC overplayed their hand.



Agreed. OKC is shooting themselves on the foot. There is no way they can presently build a team on the fly to contend in the West. Keeping Paul does more bad than good if what they want is to rebuild with younger talent. They should offer Miami at least one of those late first round picks and call it a day.


I actually think they can build a contender if they want.
1. Roberson and Schroder is ~25 million in salary and then throw in draft picks to try to get someone like Beal or DeRozan to go with CP3, Gallinari, Adams and SGA. That's a really good core.
2. See if extending Gallinari is willing to extend in OKC and if not, explore what it would take in a package with Gallinari to add Blake or Love.

I think it's very possible(if they really want) for OKC to have a CP3, SGA, DeRozan, Love, Adams starting 5 and that's a strong starting 5 in a season where there isn't an all-time great team to go through and of course I could see Presti being able to move some of those players in the future to reload if it doesn't work.
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Post#1871 » by Mos_Heat » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:51 pm

No worries, this OKC team will finish bottom 5 in the West even with Paul and Gallo
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Post#1872 » by AirP. » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:24 pm

Mos_Heat wrote:No worries, this OKC team will finish bottom 5 in the West even with Paul and Gallo

Maybe, they don't really have enough scoring as the roster is currently constructed but when you add in the East, you're looking at OKC being around the 10-14 draft pick position which is nearly a disaster for the year, no great draft pick and 1 year of SGA not getting a lot of development time at PG. All to make sure they don't lose 1 or even 2 late 1st round draft picks.
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Post#1873 » by Mos_Heat » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:42 pm

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Mos_Heat wrote:No worries, this OKC team will finish bottom 5 in the West even with Paul and Gallo

Maybe, they don't really have enough scoring as the roster is currently constructed but when you add in the East, you're looking at OKC being around the 10-14 draft pick position which is nearly a disaster for the year, no great draft pick and 1 year of SGA not getting a lot of development time at PG. All to make sure they don't lose 1 or even 2 late 1st round draft picks.

I think you are exaggerating. CP won't play more than 65 games and 30 mins per game, so Shae will have plenty of chances. Most likely they will trade Gallo and get another 1st back, and probably finish in the bottom 10 by the end of the szn, which is pretty good with new lottery odds.
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Post#1874 » by AirP. » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:52 pm

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Mos_Heat wrote:No worries, this OKC team will finish bottom 5 in the West even with Paul and Gallo

Maybe, they don't really have enough scoring as the roster is currently constructed but when you add in the East, you're looking at OKC being around the 10-14 draft pick position which is nearly a disaster for the year, no great draft pick and 1 year of SGA not getting a lot of development time at PG. All to make sure they don't lose 1 or even 2 late 1st round draft picks.

I think you are exaggerating. CP won't play more than 65 games and 30 mins per game, so Shae will have plenty of chances. Most likely they will trade Gallo and get another 1st back, and probably finish in the bottom 10 by the end of the szn, which is pretty good with new lottery odds.

Bottom 10 is still basically a #10 pick which is usually a dramatically less chance at a long term top player for a good team.
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Post#1875 » by Bishop45 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:07 pm

Mos_Heat wrote:No worries, this OKC team will finish bottom 5 in the West even with Paul and Gallo


Russ, Dipo and an iffy cast got an 8th seed, Clips with a similar cast won 48... They could do a lil' better than bottom five with relative health
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Post#1877 » by Mos_Heat » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:24 pm

Bishop45 wrote:
Mos_Heat wrote:No worries, this OKC team will finish bottom 5 in the West even with Paul and Gallo


Russ, Dipo and an iffy cast got an 8th seed, Clips with a similar cast won 48... They could do a lil' better than bottom five with relative health

Russ played 81 games at MVP level, Clips were deeper and outperformed their point differential by six wins, West is stronger etc...
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Post#1878 » by Bishop45 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:30 pm

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Mos_Heat wrote:No worries, this OKC team will finish bottom 5 in the West even with Paul and Gallo


Russ, Dipo and an iffy cast got an 8th seed, Clips with a similar cast won 48... They could do a lil' better than bottom five with relative health

Russ played 81 games at MVP level, Clips were deeper and outperformed their point differential by six wins, West is stronger etc...


Thund's bench is ass, but I think they could reach 40 odd wins off the strength of their starting line-up, which is better than the line-ups that both Clips and OKC trotted out. Maybe they miss the Playoffs, but I don't see bottom 5 unless they're thrusted with injury
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Post#1879 » by Mos_Heat » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:36 pm

Bishop45 wrote:
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Russ, Dipo and an iffy cast got an 8th seed, Clips with a similar cast won 48... They could do a lil' better than bottom five with relative health

Russ played 81 games at MVP level, Clips were deeper and outperformed their point differential by six wins, West is stronger etc...


Thund's bench is ass, but I think they could reach 40 odd wins off the strength of their starting line-up, which is better than the line-ups that both Clips and OKC trotted out. Maybe they miss the Playoffs, but I don't see bottom 5 unless they're thrusted with injury

I don't see them being better than Mavs,Spurs or Wolves and these are fringe PO teams. Pels and Kings also have a case being better
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Post#1880 » by DayofMourning » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:45 pm

Mos_Heat wrote:OKC's beat reporter Royce Young on Dunc'd On pod said expectation around the team is that CP will play this year in Thunder uniform.

He also said that Presti will not attach any picks in a potential Paul trade


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