Chuma Okeke drafted #16 by the Orlando Magic

Skybox · Post #1041 » by **Skybox** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:37 am

A meaningful part of this agreement may be a substantial insurance policy (paid by the team?)...as mentioned, a FO can't screw players/agents and remain relevant. Nice of you to be sad for him, but he will not be living on the street if he gets hurt.

pepe1991 · Post #1042 » by **pepe1991** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:49 am

so i limited mock drafts from 2017 to a day Okeke got hurt to see how people viewed him through mocks ( in spoilers links)

Forbes

Spoiler:

not first round pick

KYLE NEWPORT's bleacher report article

Spoiler:

not first round pick

SI's early mock

Spoiler:

not first round pick

Steve Kyler

Spoiler:

27th pick.

JONATHAN WASSERMAN's bleacher report's mock from February

Spoiler:

not first round pick

SB Nation's mock from late January

Spoiler:

not first round pick

Sports illustrated

Spoiler:

not first round pick

CBS sporst

Spoiler:

also didn't have him as first round pick

So you can probably handpick few mocks that had him in lottery, but vast majority of mocks he was not first round pick even before injury. Now you can twist, bend and try to say whatever you want, reality is - nobody viewed him as even first round pick, let alone lottery one. Probably one of biggest reasons Magic picked him is fact that they didn't need to pay him right away.

Literally first reaction of most people on draft night was "who , let me google him...oh" just like it was with Iwundu.

Post #1043 » by **Bensational** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:40 am

pepe1991 wrote:so i limited mock drafts from 2017 to a day Okeke got hurt to see how people viewed him through mocks ( in spoilers links)

Forbes
Spoiler:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2018/09/12/early-2019-nba-mock-draft/#38c336219eb1

not first round pick

KYLE NEWPORT's bleacher report article
Spoiler:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2836132-2019-nba-mock-draft-full-predictions-for-1st-round-prospects-prior-to-lottery

not first round pick

SI's early mock
Spoiler:
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/11/20/nba-mock-draft-2019-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-nassir-little-keldon-johnson

not first round pick

Steve Kyler
Spoiler:
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-2019-60-pick-nba-mock-draft/

27th pick.

JONATHAN WASSERMAN's bleacher report's mock from February
Spoiler:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2819334-latest-nba-mock-draft-predictions-post-2019-trade-deadline#slide0

not first round pick

SB Nation's mock from late January
Spoiler:
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/1/23/18190748/nba-mock-draft-2019-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-ja-morant-order

not first round pick

Sports illustrated
Spoiler:
https://www.si.com/nba/2019/02/28/nba-mock-draft-2019-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-ja-morant-cam-reddish-jarrett-culver

not first round pick

CBS sporst
Spoiler:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2019-nba-mock-draft-top-three-of-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-ja-morant-a-virtual-lock-and-then-things-get-interesting/

also didn't have him as first round pick

So you can probably handpick few mocks that had him in lottery, but vast majority of mocks he was not first round pick even before injury. Now you can twist, bend and try to say whatever you want, reality is - nobody viewed him as even first round pick, let alone lottery one. Probably one of biggest reasons Magic picked him is fact that they didn't need to pay him right away.

Literally first reaction of most people on draft night was "who , let me google him...oh" just like it was with Iwundu.

Wow, did a deep dive on that one! Interesting. Yeah, must've been extra appealing to be able to draft and stash for WeHam. They got what they wanted - a way to sideline extra youth for another season, and a player they liked. It'll take a season to see if it was worth it. But he should hit the ground ready to roll by then.

I'm still intrigued as to what Chuma will become. I'm actually quite hopeful for him. I'm think Tobias Harris with defense, maybe? His game needs to evolve, but he's young and has a base to build off.

Was he BPA? I say naw... :wink:

tiderulz · Post #1044 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:18 pm

pepe1991 wrote:so i limited mock drafts from 2017 to a day Okeke got hurt to see how people viewed him through mocks ( in spoilers links)

Forbes
Spoiler:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2018/09/12/early-2019-nba-mock-draft/#38c336219eb1

not first round pick

KYLE NEWPORT's bleacher report article
Spoiler:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2836132-2019-nba-mock-draft-full-predictions-for-1st-round-prospects-prior-to-lottery

not first round pick

SI's early mock
Spoiler:
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/11/20/nba-mock-draft-2019-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-nassir-little-keldon-johnson

not first round pick

Steve Kyler
Spoiler:
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-2019-60-pick-nba-mock-draft/

27th pick.

JONATHAN WASSERMAN's bleacher report's mock from February
Spoiler:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2819334-latest-nba-mock-draft-predictions-post-2019-trade-deadline#slide0

not first round pick

SB Nation's mock from late January
Spoiler:
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/1/23/18190748/nba-mock-draft-2019-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-ja-morant-order

not first round pick

Sports illustrated
Spoiler:
https://www.si.com/nba/2019/02/28/nba-mock-draft-2019-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-ja-morant-cam-reddish-jarrett-culver

not first round pick

CBS sporst
Spoiler:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2019-nba-mock-draft-top-three-of-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-ja-morant-a-virtual-lock-and-then-things-get-interesting/

also didn't have him as first round pick

So you can probably handpick few mocks that had him in lottery, but vast majority of mocks he was not first round pick even before injury. Now you can twist, bend and try to say whatever you want, reality is - nobody viewed him as even first round pick, let alone lottery one. Probably one of biggest reasons Magic picked him is fact that they didn't need to pay him right away.

Literally first reaction of most people on draft night was "who , let me google him...oh" just like it was with Iwundu.

ehh, i didnt see any mock just before he got injured, that didnt have him in the first round and close to if not in the lottery. a lot of those drafts you listed were in January, February, before the meat of his season at Auburn, in which he did play himself into the first round and likely lottery. a front office will not be employed long that uses first round picks on 2nd round talents.

j-ragg · Post #1045 » by **j-ragg** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:20 pm

Not that it really matters anymore but I feel like you can’t make the argument “Orlando took him at 16 because it was a value pick and some other teams might’ve taken him”

while using the argument

“Orlando probably got Okeke to agree to red shirting because he was a likely 2nd round pick if they pass on him”.

zaymon · Post #1046 » by **zaymon** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:41 pm

j-ragg wrote:Not that it really matters anymore but I feel like you can’t make the argument “Orlando took him at 16 because it was a value pick and some other teams might’ve taken him”

while using the argument

“Orlando probably got Okeke to agree to red shirting because he was a likely 2nd round pick if they pass on him”.

Maybe Okeke is grateful and wants to help is team. Doesnt need to show he thought he was a second round pick and in my wildest dreams i wouldnt think Weltman would pick second round talent near lottery. I think Okeke ceiling is higher than anyone taken after him but thats personal opinion. Also playing time during rookie season is overrated.

pepe1991 · Post #1047 » by **pepe1991** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:57 pm

tiderulz wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:so i limited mock drafts from 2017 to a day Okeke got hurt to see how people viewed him through mocks ( in spoilers links)

Forbes
Spoiler:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2018/09/12/early-2019-nba-mock-draft/#38c336219eb1

not first round pick

KYLE NEWPORT's bleacher report article
Spoiler:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2836132-2019-nba-mock-draft-full-predictions-for-1st-round-prospects-prior-to-lottery

not first round pick

SI's early mock
Spoiler:
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/11/20/nba-mock-draft-2019-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-nassir-little-keldon-johnson

not first round pick

Steve Kyler
Spoiler:
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-2019-60-pick-nba-mock-draft/

27th pick.

JONATHAN WASSERMAN's bleacher report's mock from February
Spoiler:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2819334-latest-nba-mock-draft-predictions-post-2019-trade-deadline#slide0

not first round pick

SB Nation's mock from late January
Spoiler:
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/1/23/18190748/nba-mock-draft-2019-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-ja-morant-order

not first round pick

Sports illustrated
Spoiler:
https://www.si.com/nba/2019/02/28/nba-mock-draft-2019-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-ja-morant-cam-reddish-jarrett-culver

not first round pick

CBS sporst
Spoiler:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2019-nba-mock-draft-top-three-of-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-ja-morant-a-virtual-lock-and-then-things-get-interesting/

also didn't have him as first round pick

So you can probably handpick few mocks that had him in lottery, but vast majority of mocks he was not first round pick even before injury. Now you can twist, bend and try to say whatever you want, reality is - nobody viewed him as even first round pick, let alone lottery one. Probably one of biggest reasons Magic picked him is fact that they didn't need to pay him right away.

Literally first reaction of most people on draft night was "who , let me google him...oh" just like it was with Iwundu.

ehh, i didnt see any mock just before he got injured, that didnt have him in the first round and close to if not in the lottery. a lot of those drafts you listed were in January, February, before the meat of his season at Auburn, in which he did play himself into the first round and likely lottery. a front office will not be employed long that uses first round picks on 2nd round talents.

No doubt that his stock went up during 12 W streak, but it's limited sample size and typical late March overreaction to a prospect who through a whole season didn't really stand up all that much. Wink wink Kaminsky, Napier, Malachi Richardson, DeAndre Daniels, Mitch McGary,
Over 10 out of 38 games he scored less than 10 points.
In 13 out of 38 games he shot ball below 40%.
He only had more than 4 assists 3 times. Matter of fact 14 out of 38 times he had below 2 assists.

Jon Givony once reported that there are GMs who leave USA to travel in Europe during the March madness just to avoid being cought into a hype of few games.

overall lot of "adjusted to tournament" are complete missleading and history told us that not putting too much stock into performance of XY players during "big games" is probably right thing to do. I mean, Melo was the man at college, Wade fall off to 5th spot. One won 3 rings and is future HOF, other is castoff without club that passed first round twice in his career.
but Melo showed the world he is the man at tournament while Wade got massacred

Or , newer example, after tournament of 2017 few mocks suggested that Josh Jackson should be top 2 pick.

Or year later

There isn’t much contention to the belief that Providence Friars point guard Kris Dunn will be selected in the Top 10. He’s a complete player who can run the offense as a facilitator, space the floor, dominate the passing lanes, and pick the pockets of even the best of players.

XY is a pure point guard with the size, athleticism, and scoring ability to fit the mold of a modern playmaker.

- kriss Dunn

tiderulz · Post #1048 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:20 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:so i limited mock drafts from 2017 to a day Okeke got hurt to see how people viewed him through mocks ( in spoilers links)

Forbes
Spoiler:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2018/09/12/early-2019-nba-mock-draft/#38c336219eb1

not first round pick

KYLE NEWPORT's bleacher report article
Spoiler:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2836132-2019-nba-mock-draft-full-predictions-for-1st-round-prospects-prior-to-lottery

not first round pick

SI's early mock
Spoiler:
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/11/20/nba-mock-draft-2019-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-nassir-little-keldon-johnson

not first round pick

Steve Kyler
Spoiler:
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-2019-60-pick-nba-mock-draft/

27th pick.

JONATHAN WASSERMAN's bleacher report's mock from February
Spoiler:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2819334-latest-nba-mock-draft-predictions-post-2019-trade-deadline#slide0

not first round pick

SB Nation's mock from late January
Spoiler:
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/1/23/18190748/nba-mock-draft-2019-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-ja-morant-order

not first round pick

Sports illustrated
Spoiler:
https://www.si.com/nba/2019/02/28/nba-mock-draft-2019-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-ja-morant-cam-reddish-jarrett-culver

not first round pick

CBS sporst
Spoiler:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2019-nba-mock-draft-top-three-of-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-ja-morant-a-virtual-lock-and-then-things-get-interesting/

also didn't have him as first round pick

So you can probably handpick few mocks that had him in lottery, but vast majority of mocks he was not first round pick even before injury. Now you can twist, bend and try to say whatever you want, reality is - nobody viewed him as even first round pick, let alone lottery one. Probably one of biggest reasons Magic picked him is fact that they didn't need to pay him right away.

Literally first reaction of most people on draft night was "who , let me google him...oh" just like it was with Iwundu.

ehh, i didnt see any mock just before he got injured, that didnt have him in the first round and close to if not in the lottery. a lot of those drafts you listed were in January, February, before the meat of his season at Auburn, in which he did play himself into the first round and likely lottery. a front office will not be employed long that uses first round picks on 2nd round talents.

No doubt that his stock went up during 12 W streak, but it's limited sample size and typical late March overreaction to a prospect who through a whole season didn't really stand up all that much. Wink wink Kaminsky, Napier, Malachi Richardson, DeAndre Daniels, Mitch McGary,
Over 10 out of 38 games he scored less than 10 points.
In 13 out of 38 games he shot ball below 40%.
He only had more than 4 assists 3 times. Matter of fact 14 out of 38 times he had below 2 assists.

Jon Givony once reported that there are GMs who leave USA to travel in Europe during the March madness just to avoid being cought into a hype of few games.

overall lot of "adjusted to tournament" are complete missleading and history told us that not putting too much stock into performance of XY players during "big games" is probably right thing to do. I mean, Melo was the man at college, Wade fall off to 5th spot. One won 3 rings and is future HOF, other is castoff without club that passed first round twice in his career.
but Melo showed the world he is the man at tournament while Wade got massacred

Or , newer example, after tournament of 2017 few mocks suggested that Josh Jackson should be top 2 pick.

Or year later
There isn’t much contention to the belief that Providence Friars point guard Kris Dunn will be selected in the Top 10. He’s a complete player who can run the offense as a facilitator, space the floor, dominate the passing lanes, and pick the pockets of even the best of players.

XY is a pure point guard with the size, athleticism, and scoring ability to fit the mold of a modern playmaker.
- kriss Dunn

i wasnt referring to just March, but play in Jan, Feb and March.

Post #1049 » by **Knightro** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 1:51 pm

ezzzp wrote:You are completely misreading or missing my point.

By pointing out that the Magic knew their luxury tax space earlier, you are literally adding more time and thus proving my point even more.

The more time the Magic had between signing free agents, and having to present Okeke his "required tender," the more time they had to find a loophole to avoid the luxury tax.

Also to assume the Magic knew for certain at the draft that Vucevic and Ross were resigning a month before free agency began is foolish. Even if tampering was occurring, there would be no certainty from either party perspective.

The draft was June 20th. The three free agency deals were announced on June 30th.

If you choose to believe that the Magic negotiated all of them (illegally mind you) in that 10-day window AFTER the draft, more power to you.

Considering the Magic could legally negotiate with Vucevic and Ross' agents the entire season, I think Orlando 100% knew that *at least* Vucevic and Ross were resigning and the exact numbers they were going to return for before the draft.

I'm also very confident that the Magic knew the same about Aminu as well.

I think stashing Okeke was the plan from the moment he was drafted. Whether it was Okeke and his agent's suggestion or the Magic's suggestion we don't know, but the Magic had plenty of incentive to not have a 3M+ contract on the books for a guy that wasn't going to contribute much.

VFX · Post #1050 » by **VFX** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:14 pm

ezzzp wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:The FO had Aminu on their list regardless of it making sense resigning Vuc or Ross.

Now you are even contradicting yourself about Aminu...these are your words: "Why would Aminu even be a huge priority over finding real back court options or reliable bench production offensively?"

The FO liked Aminu, as most FO's in the NBA do...he's a quality player. That doesn't mean that they'd pursue him if the team was heading straight to the lottery if Vucevic and Ross had not re-signed. You literally stated the reason why when you were trying to spin it the opposite direction.

How is that contradictory? I said the FO liked and targeted Aminu much before they knew about the Vuc and Ross resignings. That doesn’t mean I also think it makes sense to acquire him over much more important options of actual need.

MagicMatic wrote:They never acquired or were even connected to solving other lacking areas in the roster.

You need cap space for that, cap space they didn't have AND for a trade you need to trade an asset to get something back and another team to want your asset offer. AND you have zero knowledge of what conversations they had with other GM's, nobody does.

You mean like the 30m/3year deal they handed Aminu despite F bench depth and defense not being a main concern with the rotation last season?

MagicMatic wrote:Last years primary rotation was Ross in for Isaac or AG and they switched back in the next rotation. It’s highly doubtful that’s going to change this season and Aminu’s playing time will be based on Ross covering more for Fournier than for the F spot. Again, the defense was great last year toward the end of the season and adding Aminu wasn’t the missing ingredient. Even casual fans would know that.

Actually, even casual fans would know that its Iwundu's minutes that are in jeopardy. He played 67 games / 18mpg and was part of Clifford's 9 man rotation all year. As informed fans know, the top 9 rotation's minutes and lineups are based on nightly matchups and what is needed that specific night. How much Ross and Aminu each play at SF will be dictated by what the schedule and each game flow presents.

Cool. I’ll make a note of this conversation when Aminu starts playing heavy minutes next to two other bigs at SF. Hint: it’s not going to happen. Iwundu, Isaac, AG, Ross, and even Fournier will sooner see those minutes considering Orlando still lacks offensive output and Aminu provides nothing in that department.

MagicMatic wrote:And no, drafting Chuma wasn’t BPA AND filling a need in lacking playmaking for a “playoff team”. NAW was both moreso than Chuma was in both cases. Anyone that isn’t praising and being a spokesman to the FO’s every move can see that.

Anyone who actually follows the game enough knows that the FO picked who they thought the BPA was. The top draft analysts agree with their pick. The advanced metrics say they did. Its only the fans who are salty because the FO didn't pick who they wanted that are blinded by their bias:

The FO took the BPA with the highest upside, EXACTLY what they should have done.

I’ll just look up at pepes post because he did the work for me. Go ahead and cherry pick people saying “if he wasn’t injured” or “he had a great tournament”. It doesn’t mean the MAJORITY of scouting services and rankings didn’t have him in the first round. The FO can think whatever they want and you would think they did “EXACTLY what they should have done” so really your opinion is just diluted.

Don’t bother making a power point presentation in your next reply. I probably won’t read it all.

VFX · Post #1051 » by **VFX** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:25 pm

drsd wrote:
MagicMatic wrote: And no, drafting Chuma wasn’t BPA AND filling a need in lacking playmaking for a “playoff team”. NAW was both moreso than Chuma was in both cases. Anyone that isn’t praising and being a spokesman to the FO’s every move can see that.

If one accepts that the Magic office also had similar views, that means part of the BPA conversation was fully about NOT signing their draft selection. So instead of trading out of #16, Orlando got creative.

I can see why this happened. But as I see Alexander-Walker as potentially having a marginal-starters career, Okeke better become something special we have not imagined in him.

The FO can think whatever they want in terms of BPA. Nearly every scouting service and professional ranking had NAW going at or slightly before our pick. The difference to me is that NAW would have significantly helped this season, is projected a higher upside player, doesn’t have an injury history, and would potentially earn more playing time in this current iteration of the roster. Okeke might become a great player, but NAW was the best projected player and fit for Orlando according to most for those reasons.

j-ragg · Post #1052 » by **j-ragg** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:29 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
drsd wrote:
MagicMatic wrote: And no, drafting Chuma wasn’t BPA AND filling a need in lacking playmaking for a “playoff team”. NAW was both moreso than Chuma was in both cases. Anyone that isn’t praising and being a spokesman to the FO’s every move can see that.

If one accepts that the Magic office also had similar views, that means part of the BPA conversation was fully about NOT signing their draft selection. So instead of trading out of #16, Orlando got creative.

I can see why this happened. But as I see Alexander-Walker as potentially having a marginal-starters career, Okeke better become something special we have not imagined in him.

The FO can think whatever they want in terms of BPA. Nearly every scouting service and professional ranking had NAW going at or slightly before our pick. The difference to me is that NAW would have significantly helped this season, is projected a higher upside player, doesn’t have an injury history, and would potentially earn more playing time in this current iteration of the roster. Okeke might become a great player, but NAW was the best projected player and fit for Orlando according to most for those reasons.

You must've not seen the CARMELO projection...

pepe1991 · Post #1053 » by **pepe1991** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:40 pm

It's hard to follow who said who, but who said that Iwundu will play ahead of Aminu ? :lol:

i have to know

Ducklett · Post #1054 » by **Ducklett** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:13 pm

Guy hasn't even signed his contract and the board wants him gone.

New record?

VFX · Post #1055 » by **VFX** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:27 pm

Ducklett wrote:Guy hasn't even signed his contract and the board wants him gone.

New record?

Who said that?

MagicFan101 · Post #1056 » by **MagicFan101** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:40 pm

tiderulz wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:so i limited mock drafts from 2017 to a day Okeke got hurt to see how people viewed him through mocks ( in spoilers links)

Forbes
Spoiler:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2018/09/12/early-2019-nba-mock-draft/#38c336219eb1

not first round pick

KYLE NEWPORT's bleacher report article
Spoiler:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2836132-2019-nba-mock-draft-full-predictions-for-1st-round-prospects-prior-to-lottery

not first round pick

SI's early mock
Spoiler:
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/11/20/nba-mock-draft-2019-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-nassir-little-keldon-johnson

not first round pick

Steve Kyler
Spoiler:
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-2019-60-pick-nba-mock-draft/

27th pick.

JONATHAN WASSERMAN's bleacher report's mock from February
Spoiler:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2819334-latest-nba-mock-draft-predictions-post-2019-trade-deadline#slide0

not first round pick

SB Nation's mock from late January
Spoiler:
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/1/23/18190748/nba-mock-draft-2019-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-ja-morant-order

not first round pick

Sports illustrated
Spoiler:
https://www.si.com/nba/2019/02/28/nba-mock-draft-2019-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-ja-morant-cam-reddish-jarrett-culver

not first round pick

CBS sporst
Spoiler:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2019-nba-mock-draft-top-three-of-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-ja-morant-a-virtual-lock-and-then-things-get-interesting/

also didn't have him as first round pick

So you can probably handpick few mocks that had him in lottery, but vast majority of mocks he was not first round pick even before injury. Now you can twist, bend and try to say whatever you want, reality is - nobody viewed him as even first round pick, let alone lottery one. Probably one of biggest reasons Magic picked him is fact that they didn't need to pay him right away.

Literally first reaction of most people on draft night was "who , let me google him...oh" just like it was with Iwundu.

ehh, i didnt see any mock just before he got injured, that didnt have him in the first round and close to if not in the lottery. a lot of those drafts you listed were in January, February, before the meat of his season at Auburn, in which he did play himself into the first round and likely lottery. a front office will not be employed long that uses first round picks on 2nd round talents.

Exactly. The SI one even goes back to November 2018.

Look at the mock projections for other players versus where they actually ended up. Clearly a lot happened between the posting of these mocks, the Chuma injury and draft night to change the minds of scouts for nearly everyone not named Zion.

If you focus in on where he was just before the injury with some OUTSTANDING play, he wasn’t just a first rounder ... he was a (late) lottery pick according to most.

ezzzp · Post #1057 » by **ezzzp** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:37 pm

MagicMatic wrote:Don’t bother making a power point presentation in your next reply. I probably won’t read it all.

Who needs a power point presentation when they have your lol "words" directly above as evidence. Of course you won't read it all...that's pretty obvious.

ezzzp · Post #1058 » by **ezzzp** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:42 pm

pepe1991 wrote:It's hard to follow who said who, but who said that Iwundu will play ahead of Aminu ? i have to know

MagicMatic said that

Xatticus · Post #1059 » by **Xatticus** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:55 pm

j-ragg wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
drsd wrote:
If one accepts that the Magic office also had similar views, that means part of the BPA conversation was fully about NOT signing their draft selection. So instead of trading out of #16, Orlando got creative.

I can see why this happened. But as I see Alexander-Walker as potentially having a marginal-starters career, Okeke better become something special we have not imagined in him.

The FO can think whatever they want in terms of BPA. Nearly every scouting service and professional ranking had NAW going at or slightly before our pick. The difference to me is that NAW would have significantly helped this season, is projected a higher upside player, doesn’t have an injury history, and would potentially earn more playing time in this current iteration of the roster. Okeke might become a great player, but NAW was the best projected player and fit for Orlando according to most for those reasons.

You must've not seen the CARMELO projection...

Just for fun...

CARMELO 5-year market value projections:
Evan Fournier - $35.1M
Terrence Ross - $39.2M
Nickeil Alexander-Walker - $48.9M

ezzzp · Post #1060 » by **ezzzp** » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:47 pm

Xatticus wrote:
Just for fun...

CARMELO 5-year market value projections:
Evan Fournier - $35.1M
Terrence Ross - $39.2M
Nickeil Alexander-Walker - $48.9M

Chuma Okeke: $69.1M

Nikola Vucevic: $162.2M
Aaron Gordon: $147.8M
Jonathan Isaac: $95.8M
Markelle Fultz: $88.5M
Al-Farouq Aminu: $47.4M
Khem Birch: $24.4M
Michael Carter-Williams: $22.3M
Mo Bamba: $17.4M
DJ Augustin: $15.3M
Wes Iwundu: $6.9M