Once again you demonstrate a poor grasp of the situation and I'm not just talking about player values. We can disagree on that all day. But your statements about how people on this board view things is way off.
Coeur wrote:NuggetsWY wrote:Coeur wrote:You don’t believe Beasley has starter value over the next 4 years? Or you just want to give that value away?
I get you are worried about spending someone else’s money and that’s ______. But think you are wrong to say they aren’t worth those numbers individually.
What do you think each player is worth signing for. Taking out the cap situation and the Gary harris and Barton and all other deals.
You still have to individually manage each asset or choose to give them away which is the common opinion of the 3-4 main posters here.
Sounds like your opinion is trade them both or let them walk at the end of the year so you can afford Gary harris and Barton.
I'm a huge fan of Beasley but I'm not yet convinced he is the starting SG on a championship contending team. He's a nice modern player but every team needs some defenders and Beasley isn't applying himself on that end of the court - at least not as much as I would like to see based on his athleticism. I'd suggest something more like Grant's contract of something around $9m. Many solid contributors have signed for less than half of what the top starters sign for. Half of Harris would be less than $10m and certainly Beasley shouldn't be getting more than Barton's $13m this year - not until he proves himself a little more than he has.
Managing cap issues is a serious issue. If your top three players each receive one-third of the cap, no one else can get much more than minimum or an exception slot.
I'd suggest Beasley be signed for a short contract with team or player options - say a 3 or 4 year contract. If he proves his value, empty the bank, but don't empty it now.
As for Hernangomez, I see him as a career bench player or a 4th or 5th starter. I like his fit on the Nuggets but I'd suggest a nice, long contract that approaches $10m.
Your Nugget fanatic player values are obviously really odd. But the only thing I’m understanding is you wouldn’t sign either to an extension and don’t think either are half of superGary Harris.
Nope, you missed the point. The Nuggets need to stop spending major money on mid-level players. 3 highly paid players is all any team can manage for very long. -and- I am a Gary Harris fan but unless he returns to his shooting form and manages to play most of a season, I'd never attach "super" to his name. But that
is his potential.
Coeur wrote:Beasley isn’t worth Thrill Barton money is another good part.
I don't think Barton is worth the money he's getting and you'd know that I believe that, if you've been paying attention. I've said it multiple times.
Coeur wrote:I guess with the value you see out of these 2 they wouldn’t have any real trade value in your mind either. So at that low of value I’d guess you’d intend to play out the season and let them walk away then? Or is there something worth trading them for.
What I believe their trade value is of no importance. Have you paid attention to the TnT board? Nobody wants Hernangomez because of injury/illness issues. His value is relatively low to most people but as I said above, I think the Nuggets should wrap him up for as long as possible because he fits very nicely on the Nuggets -and- his defense is underrated.
As for Beasley, he does indeed have more value but many undervalue him because of his defensive short-comings. His potential is high but most teams don't overvalue potential - unless it's their own player. I suggested a 2-3, maybe 4 year contract that has either a player or team option. Give him a chance to prove his value and then sign him for whatever it takes - if he lives up to his potential. Trading him now brings back too little IMO.
Coeur wrote:I forget that a huge sticking point on this board is anything that potentially affects Gary Harris or millsap in the pecking order.
Again, if you have been paying attention to this board, Harris' stock is dropping and if he doesn't stay on the court this year, he's going to lose even more favor.
As for Millsap, most of the people on this board seem to think this is probably his last year in Denver. Some were not fans of his been retained this year, but he fits perfectly next to Jokic, so keeping him makes sense. Personally, I'd rather have Grant starting but the front office disagreed and their logic is not flawed - I just disagree with them and I am not the only one.
Please pay attention or stop making blanket statements about what is being said on this board. Stick to individual statements that are made clearly.
As for what value Beasley has in a trade, check the TnT board, it should give you an idea