2019 Off-Season Questions

[The Rebel]

Well, according to this podcast, Grant isn't a candidate for SF at all (and I agree) but McBride seems to feel Barton has the inside track

https://milehighsports.com/who-will-start-at-small-forward-for-the-nuggets/

That does not surprise me at all, I think they will give him a chance to keep the spot, I just hope they have a short leash. Barton at the end of 2018 was a very good fit with the starters, but he accepted being the 4th option and chose his spots well. That disappeared last year, and if he still insists on trying to be the 1st option he has to be dealt.

[TunaFish]

Barton will be given a shot but so will Hernangomez, Craig and Porter. Cancar can also play the position. Because Barton, Craig and Hernangomez have starting experience, this is a deep position without a star player, so far. That's a lot of veterans for one position and I would guess they will have to make a move here.

They need Grant to be the future at power forward or they will have to keep looking once Millsap is done.

[The Rebel]

I don't see anyway that Cancar can play at SF, he is too slow footed to keep up with SGs and with the lack of good SFs, a lot of teams are using 3 guard lineups. He is also reportedly 6'11" so I can see him easily playing PF and with a little more bulk center.

[NuggetsWY]

I don't see anyway that Cancar can play at SF, he is too slow footed to keep up with SGs and with the lack of good SFs, a lot of teams are using 3 guard lineups. He is also reportedly 6'11" so I can see him easily playing PF and with a little more bulk center.

If another team goes small ball at center, Cancar might fit nicely. He has some of the same skills as Jokic (well, as close as anyone else LOL). I don't want to see him playing SF; at least not before Barton, Craig, Hernangomez, Beasley, Grant, & Vanderbilt.

[skywalker33]

A new TC player, Nuggets sign C Tyler Zeller...interesting move but not a game changer IMO unless Mason is getting traded LOL

[NuggetsWY]

A new TC player, Nuggets sign C Tyler Zeller...interesting move but not a game changer IMO unless Mason is getting traded LOL

I don't object to Zeller as a third center. I have objected to only have two centers for a couple of years now. I do believe his salary is $2m and just one year.

[THE J0KER]

Plumlee is good enough to be starter center in about 10 teams and to play 25+ minutes in more than half of the league teams, so it would be unfair to give such player just about 10 minutes to play per game in his contract year. Jokic will play close to 35 minutes, PF minutes are closed now by Millsap and Grant, and with Grant, MPJ, JV, and Juancho available, I guess Malone will play the small ball when Jokic is on the bench more than before, and all these cases would damage Plumlee playing time if he stays.

Tyler Zeller is proven 10 minutes backup option, far away from Plumlee level of defense, but at least arguably useful in offense, and much better free throws shooter than Plumlee, so Jokic bench time should not depend on opponents bonus anymore. Everything is ready now for Plumlee+Barton package trade. If we add 2022 first or Juancho/JV to that offer, we can take some interesting SF starter which would rise our ring chances.

Iguodala? Gallinari? Covington? Otto Porter?

[skywalker33]

Plumlee is good enough to be starter center in about 10 teams and to play 25+ minutes in more than half of the league teams, so it would be unfair to give such player just about 10 minutes to play per game in his contract year. Jokic will play close to 35 minutes, PF minutes are closed now by Millsap and Grant, and with Grant, MPJ, JV, and Juancho available, I guess Malone will play the small ball when Jokic is on the bench more than before, and all these cases would damage Plumlee playing time if he stays.

Tyler Zeller is proven 10 minutes backup option, far away from Plumlee level of defense, but at least arguably useful in offense, and much better free throws shooter than Plumlee, so Jokic bench time should not depend on opponents bonus anymore. Everything is ready now for Plumlee+Barton package trade. If we add 2022 first or Juancho/JV to that offer, we can take some interesting SF starter which would rise our ring chances.

Iguodala? Gallinari? Covington? Otto Porter?

What you're proposing in terms of salary is $27M so let's look at the proposals from that aspect

Iguodala makes $17,185,xxx.xx and is an expiring. MEM is a rebuilding with a young core so Barton really doesn't help their cap and they already have a Plumlee on their roster. Surely they won't add $8M to their cap for a late 1st and/or an unproven prospect like Juancho or JV

Gallo makes $22,615,xxx.xx but OKC is already threatening the salary cap and isn't likely to add $5M to definitely bounce into the repeater tax

Covington would be a great fit here but only makes $11M so Plumlee PLUS Barton is gonna require more from MIN and they probably don't need either seperately so even adding a first isn't a lot of incentive

Porter has potential but comes with pros/cons. First again CHI is on a rebuild but Barton & Plumlee could help them take a step in the weak East. However, OPj is on a players option and will take money away from potentially resigning Grant and Beasley, He can opt out as well (solve the aforementioned cap issues) but we're back to not having anything at the SF position.

I can see trading Plumlee later in the year, his expiring would be a nice trade chip but for what value ????

[NuggetsWY]

Removing "Sticky" label - we can "Sticky" a "Pre-Season" thread soon.

[Coeur]

Plumlee is good enough to be starter center in about 10 teams and to play 25+ minutes in more than half of the league teams, so it would be unfair to give such player just about 10 minutes to play per game in his contract year. Jokic will play close to 35 minutes, PF minutes are closed now by Millsap and Grant, and with Grant, MPJ, JV, and Juancho available, I guess Malone will play the small ball when Jokic is on the bench more than before, and all these cases would damage Plumlee playing time if he stays.

Tyler Zeller is proven 10 minutes backup option, far away from Plumlee level of defense, but at least arguably useful in offense, and much better free throws shooter than Plumlee, so Jokic bench time should not depend on opponents bonus anymore. Everything is ready now for Plumlee+Barton package trade. If we add 2022 first or Juancho/JV to that offer, we can take some interesting SF starter which would rise our ring chances.

Iguodala? Gallinari? Covington? Otto Porter?

What you're proposing in terms of salary is $27M so let's look at the proposals from that aspect

Iguodala makes $17,185,xxx.xx and is an expiring. MEM is a rebuilding with a young core so Barton really doesn't help their cap and they already have a Plumlee on their roster. Surely they won't add $8M to their cap for a late 1st and/or an unproven prospect like Juancho or JV

Gallo makes $22,615,xxx.xx but OKC is already threatening the salary cap and isn't likely to add $5M to definitely bounce into the repeater tax

Covington would be a great fit here but only makes $11M so Plumlee PLUS Barton is gonna require more from MIN and they probably don't need either seperately so even adding a first isn't a lot of incentive

Porter has potential but comes with pros/cons. First again CHI is on a rebuild but Barton & Plumlee could help them take a step in the weak East. However, OPj is on a players option and will take money away from potentially resigning Grant and Beasley, He can opt out as well (solve the aforementioned cap issues) but we're back to not having anything at the SF position.

I can see trading Plumlee later in the year, his expiring would be a nice trade chip but for what value ????

Not recognizing the need for Plumlee is an odd thing that more than just you keep doing

[skywalker33]

Plumlee is good enough to be starter center in about 10 teams and to play 25+ minutes in more than half of the league teams, so it would be unfair to give such player just about 10 minutes to play per game in his contract year. Jokic will play close to 35 minutes, PF minutes are closed now by Millsap and Grant, and with Grant, MPJ, JV, and Juancho available, I guess Malone will play the small ball when Jokic is on the bench more than before, and all these cases would damage Plumlee playing time if he stays.

Tyler Zeller is proven 10 minutes backup option, far away from Plumlee level of defense, but at least arguably useful in offense, and much better free throws shooter than Plumlee, so Jokic bench time should not depend on opponents bonus anymore. Everything is ready now for Plumlee+Barton package trade. If we add 2022 first or Juancho/JV to that offer, we can take some interesting SF starter which would rise our ring chances.

Iguodala? Gallinari? Covington? Otto Porter?

What you're proposing in terms of salary is $27M so let's look at the proposals from that aspect

Iguodala makes $17,185,xxx.xx and is an expiring. MEM is a rebuilding with a young core so Barton really doesn't help their cap and they already have a Plumlee on their roster. Surely they won't add $8M to their cap for a late 1st and/or an unproven prospect like Juancho or JV

Gallo makes $22,615,xxx.xx but OKC is already threatening the salary cap and isn't likely to add $5M to definitely bounce into the repeater tax

Covington would be a great fit here but only makes $11M so Plumlee PLUS Barton is gonna require more from MIN and they probably don't need either seperately so even adding a first isn't a lot of incentive

Porter has potential but comes with pros/cons. First again CHI is on a rebuild but Barton & Plumlee could help them take a step in the weak East. However, OPj is on a players option and will take money away from potentially resigning Grant and Beasley, He can opt out as well (solve the aforementioned cap issues) but we're back to not having anything at the SF position.

I can see trading Plumlee later in the year, his expiring would be a nice trade chip but for what value ????

Not recognizing the need for Plumlee is an odd thing that more than just you keep doing

Not disrespecting Plumlee's talent, I like his defense and passing, provides some scoring.
That said, I see the Nuggets preparing for the eventual moving on. We brought Bol in for a reason, same with Cancar potentially. A couple of other points, we don't have the money to resign Plumlee unless he takes a massive salary reduction (which I don't see happening) so might as well get an asset or two for him. And lastly, Plumlee's 10-14mpg can be used to develop either Cancar or Bol

[The Rebel]

What you're proposing in terms of salary is $27M so let's look at the proposals from that aspect

Iguodala makes $17,185,xxx.xx and is an expiring. MEM is a rebuilding with a young core so Barton really doesn't help their cap and they already have a Plumlee on their roster. Surely they won't add $8M to their cap for a late 1st and/or an unproven prospect like Juancho or JV

Gallo makes $22,615,xxx.xx but OKC is already threatening the salary cap and isn't likely to add $5M to definitely bounce into the repeater tax

Covington would be a great fit here but only makes $11M so Plumlee PLUS Barton is gonna require more from MIN and they probably don't need either seperately so even adding a first isn't a lot of incentive

Porter has potential but comes with pros/cons. First again CHI is on a rebuild but Barton & Plumlee could help them take a step in the weak East. However, OPj is on a players option and will take money away from potentially resigning Grant and Beasley, He can opt out as well (solve the aforementioned cap issues) but we're back to not having anything at the SF position.

I can see trading Plumlee later in the year, his expiring would be a nice trade chip but for what value ????

Not recognizing the need for Plumlee is an odd thing that more than just you keep doing

Not disrespecting Plumlee's talent, I like his defense and passing, provides some scoring.
That said, I see the Nuggets preparing for the eventual moving on. We brought Bol in for a reason, same with Cancar potentially. A couple of other points, we don't have the money to resign Plumlee unless he takes a massive salary reduction (which I don't see happening) so might as well get an asset or two for him. And lastly, Plumlee's 10-14mpg can be used to develop either Cancar or Bol

I will disrespect Plumlee if that is what you want to call it, he is a very good regular season backup Center. However he has bounced around the league and was traded out from Portland due to his big issues in the playoffs. When teams can game plan against Plumlee he has major issues. He cannot shoot, he struggles in the post on both ends against decent bigs like Aldridge and Kanter both, and the passing ability is rendered basically useless due to teams just clogging the paint. HIs above average help defense does nothing to make up for it. Next to Barton Plumlee was by far our biggest problem in the playoffs last year.

Fact is you guys are right, he could start on 10 teams around the league, but most of those teams will not make it to the playoffs or out of the 1st round. He is not a starter on a good team, and as a backup Center that is basically unplayable in the playoffs he is not worth anywhere near his contract to us. You can sign a backup C that will be ineffective in the playoffs for much less than Plumlee makes and will likely demand from the Nuggets next year. Fact is Aron Baynes will make $5.5 million this year and I would easily take him and his shut down defense over Plumlee. Morris, Murray, Harris, and Barton are all creative enough that we don't have to run anything through the Center with Jokic off the court.