NBA To Finally Have Accurate Heights

Pennebaker · Post #61 » by **Pennebaker** » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:36 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:
leolozon wrote:Weird that they didn't ask for real weight as it fluctuates more during a player's career than height.

They're saying that's why they didn't:

Read on Twitter

I do think more players should have weight clauses in their contract like diaw did, though.

Player weight should still be tracked. At least on a year to year basis.

Alonzo_Morning · Post #62 » by **Alonzo_Morning** » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:54 pm

Inb4 Zion at least 6'8

21 TD · Post #63 » by **21 TD** » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:07 pm

It's about time. I actually started putting the combine measurements into 2k in recent years (add an inch to barefoot and if it's .5 or up round up).

They should do weight too. It's still better to have a more recent approximate than their draft one, as is still the case with many.

Post #64 » by **Darth Celtic** » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:14 pm

I like it. I get the weight part that people want. I'm ok with making sure height is standard at least. Tired of 6'11" kg when we all knew he was 7'1"

Cartuse · Post #65 » by **Cartuse** » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:21 pm

Lol why do people think it's smart or adequate to measure with shoes on? You live your everyday life with shoes on as well 99% of the time yet when someone asks your height you tell them your real height. Come on now...

dhsilv2 · Post #66 » by **dhsilv2** » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:34 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:
leolozon wrote:Weird that they didn't ask for real weight as it fluctuates more during a player's career than height.

They're saying that's why they didn't:

Read on Twitter

I do think more players should have weight clauses in their contract like diaw did, though.

As long as they took the weight at the same time every year, I think it would be an interesting point of reference over time, but this is all about gambling so I guess it doesn't matter.

Post #67 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:51 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:
leolozon wrote:Weird that they didn't ask for real weight as it fluctuates more during a player's career than height.

They're saying that's why they didn't:

Read on Twitter

I do think more players should have weight clauses in their contract like diaw did, though.

As long as they took the weight at the same time every year, I think it would be an interesting point of reference over time, but this is all about gambling so I guess it doesn't matter.

I also just remembered they incorporate height into RPM, so at least feel a little better about that accuracy now. Relatively speaking at least.

sixerswillrule · Post #68 » by **sixerswillrule** » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:28 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
Forte IV wrote:I'm honestly just excited to see how short JJ Barea really is

First person I thought of was IT. Lol. And I'm pretty sure Kemba will only be about 5'10

You know these guys have already been measured without shoes right?

This well help IT not hurt him because he's always been listed as his height without shoes - 5'9"

Kemba is 5'11.5"

Post #69 » by **og15** » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:07 am

batmana wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:How they are going to certify Thon Maker's age???
Dental check-up. Seriously though, "certify" is being used super loosely here, teams will simply have to submit those things and the league will take their word for it.
I seriously doubt teams are going to ask their players to get measured every summer but at least some might do it.

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I know it isn't your intent, but this makes it sound like it would be such a chore, lol

GreatWhiteStiff · Post #70 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:10 am

I always had to explain my and (well mostly) my brother's "nba height" to people, comparing how tall we were to nba players. We're pretty tall...over 13 feet combined with shoes.

mediocrityrules · Post #71 » by **mediocrityrules** » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:16 am

Isn't the bigger issue player ages? Everyone's focused on height, but age is a bigger factor, and much harder for teams to provide 'proof' anyway. Who knows how old guys like Maker and Ilyasova really are? but true ages will certainly affect contract lengths.

Post #72 » by **og15** » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:19 am

dhsilv2 wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:
leolozon wrote:Weird that they didn't ask for real weight as it fluctuates more during a player's career than height.

They're saying that's why they didn't:

Read on Twitter

I do think more players should have weight clauses in their contract like diaw did, though.

As long as they took the weight at the same time every year, I think it would be an interesting point of reference over time, but this is all about gambling so I guess it doesn't matter.

Yea, it could be interesting. Many guys are going to lose some weight as the season goes on, it's actually expected, which I think some people don't understand about the off-season bulking up, that it's part of a training regimen and weight loss is expected, so the guys won't be like that for most of the season. I don't know what time would be the "ideal" time to do it though.

Mauro Pedrosa · Post #73 » by **Mauro Pedrosa** » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:27 am

Alonzo_Morning wrote:Inb4 Zion at least 6'8

I'll take the under

pistonsbball · Post #74 » by **pistonsbball** » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:27 am

Well, this changes everything. Got to think the 76ers are clear favorites now.

Post #75 » by **G R E Y** » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:29 am

dhsilv2 wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:This was the biggest issue facing the NBA in our time.

Excellent work by Silver fixing something that is completely irrelevant to most people.

It's for sports betting...which I think a lot of people care about.

I don't partake, so I don't get why height has anything to do with sports betting.

And I had no idea this was such a thing. At the combine, some players refuse measurements or back out of it because it might affect their stock. But with players already in the NBA, what is the big deal of an inch either way? And since players play with shoes, why is without the desired detail? As others have said, I think age is far more instructive in terms of peak years, contracts, etc.

Johnny Bball · Post #76 » by **Johnny Bball** » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:31 am

GREY 1769 wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:This was the biggest issue facing the NBA in our time.

Excellent work by Silver fixing something that is completely irrelevant to most people.

It's for sports betting...which I think a lot of people care about.

I don't partake, so I don't get why height has anything to do with sports betting.

And I had no idea this was such a thing. At the combine, some players refuse measurements or back out of it because it might affect their stock. But with players already in the NBA, what is the big deal and inch either way? And since players play with shoes, why is without the desired detail? As others have said, I think age is far more instructive in terms of peak years, contracts, etc.

It doesn't. Its the NBA trying to APPEAR open and transparent to get a piece of gambling revenue. Its a song and dance.

Post #77 » by **G R E Y** » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:36 am

Johnny Bball wrote:
GREY 1769 wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
It's for sports betting...which I think a lot of people care about.

I don't partake, so I don't get why height has anything to do with sports betting.

And I had no idea this was such a thing. At the combine, some players refuse measurements or back out of it because it might affect their stock. But with players already in the NBA, what is the big deal and inch either way? And since players play with shoes, why is without the desired detail? As others have said, I think age is far more instructive in terms of peak years, contracts, etc.

It doesn't. Its the NBA trying to APPEAR open and transparent to get a piece of gambling revenue. Its a song and dance.

Ok, but I still don't get what or how this affects gambling? Like is it a prerequisite for it being allowed? It's not like suddenly teams are going to get another guy out against a known opponent because of the new measurements. Boxing, I understand. But this info doesn't affect the basketball game, so I don't see the connection to gambling...

youngcrev · Post #78 » by **youngcrev** » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:39 am

Lalouie wrote:i get it,,,but they play with shoes ON

i can only assume that the fudging of inches has nothing to do with shoes or no shoes, but maybe more like height of hair.

will they measure in the morning when a player wakes up,,,or at night,,,or after morning stretches or therapy massage?

I always hated this explanation. Your height is your height. No other place in life would you list your height in shoes. Should we start measuring football players in their cleats or hockey players in their skates?

dhsilv2 · Post #79 » by **dhsilv2** » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:41 am

og15 wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:
They're saying that's why they didn't:

Read on Twitter

I do think more players should have weight clauses in their contract like diaw did, though.

As long as they took the weight at the same time every year, I think it would be an interesting point of reference over time, but this is all about gambling so I guess it doesn't matter.

Yea, it could be interesting. Many guys are going to lose some weight as the season goes on, it's actually expected, which I think some people don't understand about the off-season bulking up, that it's part of a training regimen and weight loss is expected, so the guys won't be like that for most of the season. I don't know what time would be the "ideal" time to do it though.

I mean these guys can drop 10 pounds in a day. So yeah I get that. Unless you can get everyone to weigh in after 48 hours of fasting in the morning before the seasons, lol.

dhsilv2 · Post #80 » by **dhsilv2** » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:43 am

Johnny Bball wrote:
GREY 1769 wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
It's for sports betting...which I think a lot of people care about.

I don't partake, so I don't get why height has anything to do with sports betting.

And I had no idea this was such a thing. At the combine, some players refuse measurements or back out of it because it might affect their stock. But with players already in the NBA, what is the big deal and inch either way? And since players play with shoes, why is without the desired detail? As others have said, I think age is far more instructive in terms of peak years, contracts, etc.

It doesn't. Its the NBA trying to APPEAR open and transparent to get a piece of gambling revenue. Its a song and dance.

This is at least mostly right. You just don't want to be openly aware that you're posting and publishing false stats when you want to also allow in arena gambling.

However given things like RPM use height in their metrics, a false number absolutely can mess with the quant side who's trying to beat the market. So there's at least a tiny factor there, but yes it's mostly because the nba doesn't want official documents with out and out lies in them given there's now money on it. That's just asking for a law suit for the sake of getting money back.