Steph Top 10 All Time - According to Bleacher report

[Triple7]

Easily. He'll have a strong case for top-5 when his career is over.

He's one of the greatest offensive players ever. He changed how the game is played with his dominance.

Ah No. Never! easy with the kool aid

[GeorgeMarcus]

I actually think KD wins in one or both of those years if he stays in OKC with the team they built there. I think Houston if the trade goes down wins in 2018.

But that's neither here nor there. Maybe Curry could best those stars, and then it would have changed my evaluation.

On Hakeem, it's not about the ring but the run. Losing to MJ does in a sense diminish his run because he's a notch in the belt. And MJ would be all the greater if he actually won 8 straight. On the flip side, if Hakeem beat MJ for even 1 title, imo it would be seen as greater than his 2. But it's really about the opportunity to have legendary run.

Curry is missing run. When he faced two great teams at his peak in 2016 - not historically great but great nonetheless - he ended up with 2 7 game series and a 1-1 record.

Beating MJ's Bulls once may well deserve more credit than 2 rings without MJ, but that's just as speculative as saying Curry doesn't win in 17 and 18. But regardless, he has played just fine against the great teams he went up against (without Durant):
Against OKC in '16: 27.9ppg on 62.3 TS%, 6.3 rpg, 5.9apg
Against TOR in '19: 30.5 on 59.8 TS%, 5.2 rpg, 6apg
Against HOU in '15: 31.2ppg on 68.0 TS%, 4.6rpg, 5.6 apg

Also had a great series when they took down LeBron in 2015, but I assume you don't qualify that as a great team because of injuries. There are no gimmies in playoff basketball but people find ways to diminish Curry's consistent success.

He's a shooter so there will naturally be variance in his game over small samples.

People who hate on him are either:

a) Jealous of his success
b) Angry that he "ruined the game by turning it into a 3-point contest"

I really do think there's a cognitive bias with some people, where you look at LeBron and then Curry and think to yourself "no way is Curry as good a player". I get it, but I disagree with it.

[Raps in 4]

Easily. He'll have a strong case for top-5 when his career is over.

He's one of the greatest offensive players ever. He changed how the game is played with his dominance.

Ah No. Never! easy with the kool aid

- Greatest shooter in history
- Multiple rings
- Multiple MVPs
- Greatest regular season in history (in terms of wins)
- Effectively changed the way the game is played with his dominance

With a few more deep playoff runs/rings, that's easily a top-5 resume.

[Triple7]

Easily. He'll have a strong case for top-5 when his career is over.

He's one of the greatest offensive players ever. He changed how the game is played with his dominance.

Ah No. Never! easy with the kool aid

- Greatest shooter in history
- Multiple rings
- Multiple MVPs
- Greatest regular season in history (in terms of wins)
- Effectively changed the way the game is played with his dominance

With a few more deep playoff runs/rings, that's easily a top-5 resume.

Ah ok. 3 rings with no fmvp’s?
So who do you think he’ll bump off the top 5 list then?

[TheNG]

Any list who puts LeBron above Kareem is just ridiculous.
Any list who doesn't put Bill Russell in the top 5 is just stupid.
They did both, so you know what I think about it...

[LKN]

He may get there.... but putting him over Hakeem? Already? Yeah no - those 2 title runs by Hakeem were bananas

[lakerz12]

Absolute joke of a list.

Curry and David Robinson both ahead of Hakeem and Kobe? Lol.

[freethedevil]

Agree or Disagree?

Steph is by far my favourite player this past decade, and i hope one day he'll deserve this spot, but I personally have him sitting around 15-20 range at the moment.

If you agree - then why?
If you dont agree - then what do you feel Steph needs to accomplish to reach top ten all time?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2854727-bleacher-reports-all-time-player-rankings-nbas-top-50-revealed#slide42

No. He doesn't have the longetvitym and injuries have significantly dimisnished his prime

[lakerz12]

Live look at Bleacher Report putting together this list:

[XxIronChainzxX]

Beating MJ's Bulls once may well deserve more credit than 2 rings without MJ, but that's just as speculative as saying Curry doesn't win in 17 and 18. But regardless, he has played just fine against the great teams he went up against (without Durant):
Against OKC in '16: 27.9ppg on 62.3 TS%, 6.3 rpg, 5.9apg
Against TOR in '19: 30.5 on 59.8 TS%, 5.2 rpg, 6apg
Against HOU in '15: 31.2ppg on 68.0 TS%, 4.6rpg, 5.6 apg

Also had a great series when they took down LeBron in 2015, but I assume you don't qualify that as a great team because of injuries. There are no gimmies in playoff basketball but people find ways to diminish Curry's consistent success.

He's a shooter so there will naturally be variance in his game over small samples.

People who hate on him are either:

a) Jealous of his success
b) Angry that he "ruined the game by turning it into a 3-point contest"

I really do think there's a cognitive bias with some people, where you look at LeBron and then Curry and think to yourself "no way is Curry as good a player". I get it, but I disagree with it.

There's an achievement "bias", in that Curry simply hasn't achieved as much nor has he been able to actually dominate any high stakes playoff game from start to finish. He's never won a series as the underdog, and in the biggest season of his career, he only managed to deliver LeBron's culminating achievement.

I'm a big fan of Curry's, but he hasn't the same success as the other guys in the top 10 in terms of memorable high stakes achivements. Wilt is the guy who's most lacking in playoff coups in the top 10, and his regular season dominance was in such a league of its own, for such an extended time, that there's really not much more you can ask of him.

LeBron's got the same issue when he's compared to MJ.

When you're talking about the 10 greatest ever, we are inevitably going to get into this line drawing excercise about who did what.

The other thing about Curry is that he voluntarily punted away his shot at the top 10 to team up with KD. He ate up two years of his prime as the largely seen as 'Pippen' of the duo for all but guaranteed rings. That was a choice he was fully entitled to make, but his legacy is absolutely going to suffer for it, and IMO deservedly.

[Raps in 4]

He's a shooter so there will naturally be variance in his game over small samples.

People who hate on him are either:

a) Jealous of his success
b) Angry that he "ruined the game by turning it into a 3-point contest"

I really do think there's a cognitive bias with some people, where you look at LeBron and then Curry and think to yourself "no way is Curry as good a player". I get it, but I disagree with it.

There's an achievement "bias", in that Curry simply hasn't achieved as much nor has he been able to actually dominate any high stakes playoff game from start to finish. He's never won a series as the underdog, and in the biggest season of his career, he only managed to deliver LeBron's culminating achievement.

I'm a big fan of Curry's, but he hasn't the same success as the other guys in the top 10 in terms of memorable high stakes achivements. Wilt is the guy who's most lacking in playoff coups in the top 10, and his regular season dominance was in such a league of its own, for such an extended time, that there's really not much more you can ask of him.

LeBron's got the same issue when he's compared to MJ.

When you're talking about the 10 greatest ever, we are inevitably going to get into this line drawing excercise about who did what.

The other thing about Curry is that he voluntarily punted away his shot at the top 10 to team up with KD. He ate up two years of his prime as the largely seen as 'Pippen' of the duo for all but guaranteed rings. That was a choice he was fully entitled to make, but his legacy is absolutely going to suffer for it, and IMO deservedly.

Curry wasn't the GM of the Warriors when they signed KD.

He did see his usage take a hit, but his production was still elite. KD can't reduce his usage and still produce at that level, so Steph had to do it.

[XxIronChainzxX]

I really do think there's a cognitive bias with some people, where you look at LeBron and then Curry and think to yourself "no way is Curry as good a player". I get it, but I disagree with it.

There's an achievement "bias", in that Curry simply hasn't achieved as much nor has he been able to actually dominate any high stakes playoff game from start to finish. He's never won a series as the underdog, and in the biggest season of his career, he only managed to deliver LeBron's culminating achievement.

I'm a big fan of Curry's, but he hasn't the same success as the other guys in the top 10 in terms of memorable high stakes achivements. Wilt is the guy who's most lacking in playoff coups in the top 10, and his regular season dominance was in such a league of its own, for such an extended time, that there's really not much more you can ask of him.

LeBron's got the same issue when he's compared to MJ.

When you're talking about the 10 greatest ever, we are inevitably going to get into this line drawing excercise about who did what.

The other thing about Curry is that he voluntarily punted away his shot at the top 10 to team up with KD. He ate up two years of his prime as the largely seen as 'Pippen' of the duo for all but guaranteed rings. That was a choice he was fully entitled to make, but his legacy is absolutely going to suffer for it, and IMO deservedly.

Curry wasn't the GM of the Warriors when they signed KD.

He did see his usage take a hit, but his production was still elite. KD can't reduce his usage and still produce at that level, so Steph had to do it.

Curry actively recruited KD. He's not getting a pass, and more to the point he could have scuttled the whole thing.

But that's not my point. This isn't about how Curry skated on being called a cupcake for basically doing the same thing as KD.

My point is that once he teamed up with KD, there was no real competition left, and no series or moment where he could elevate his game enough to actually lift himself into the top 10. He was done winning MVPs. He's never gotten a finals MVP. He isn't getting credit for the titles in the same way. And he went from being considered better than (old) LeBron to being outside of people's top 3-5.

[life_saver]

Kobe stans on twitter are losing their minds about placing Steph above Kobe in this list

[Triple7]

There's an achievement "bias", in that Curry simply hasn't achieved as much nor has he been able to actually dominate any high stakes playoff game from start to finish. He's never won a series as the underdog, and in the biggest season of his career, he only managed to deliver LeBron's culminating achievement.

I'm a big fan of Curry's, but he hasn't the same success as the other guys in the top 10 in terms of memorable high stakes achivements. Wilt is the guy who's most lacking in playoff coups in the top 10, and his regular season dominance was in such a league of its own, for such an extended time, that there's really not much more you can ask of him.

LeBron's got the same issue when he's compared to MJ.

When you're talking about the 10 greatest ever, we are inevitably going to get into this line drawing excercise about who did what.

The other thing about Curry is that he voluntarily punted away his shot at the top 10 to team up with KD. He ate up two years of his prime as the largely seen as 'Pippen' of the duo for all but guaranteed rings. That was a choice he was fully entitled to make, but his legacy is absolutely going to suffer for it, and IMO deservedly.

Curry wasn't the GM of the Warriors when they signed KD.

He did see his usage take a hit, but his production was still elite. KD can't reduce his usage and still produce at that level, so Steph had to do it.

Curry actively recruited KD. He's not getting a pass, and more to the point he could have scuttled the whole thing.

But that's not my point. This isn't about how Curry skated on being called a cupcake for basically doing the same thing as KD.

My point is that once he teamed up with KD, there was no real competition left, and no series or moment where he could elevate his game enough to actually lift himself into the top 10. He was done winning MVPs. He's never gotten a finals MVP. He isn't getting credit for the titles in the same way. And he went from being considered better than (old) LeBron to being outside of people's top 3-5.

I agree with this 100%. once he teamed up with KD, no more mvp’s, no fmvp’s. He gave up being the clear cut number 1 and sadly, his legacy would never be the same again.

[GeorgeMarcus]

He's a shooter so there will naturally be variance in his game over small samples.

People who hate on him are either:

a) Jealous of his success
b) Angry that he "ruined the game by turning it into a 3-point contest"

I really do think there's a cognitive bias with some people, where you look at LeBron and then Curry and think to yourself "no way is Curry as good a player". I get it, but I disagree with it.

There's an achievement "bias", in that Curry simply hasn't achieved as much nor has he been able to actually dominate any high stakes playoff game from start to finish. He's never won a series as the underdog, and in the biggest season of his career, he only managed to deliver LeBron's culminating achievement.

I'm a big fan of Curry's, but he hasn't the same success as the other guys in the top 10 in terms of memorable high stakes achivements. Wilt is the guy who's most lacking in playoff coups in the top 10, and his regular season dominance was in such a league of its own, for such an extended time, that there's really not much more you can ask of him.

LeBron's got the same issue when he's compared to MJ.

When you're talking about the 10 greatest ever, we are inevitably going to get into this line drawing excercise about who did what.

The other thing about Curry is that he voluntarily punted away his shot at the top 10 to team up with KD. He ate up two years of his prime as the largely seen as 'Pippen' of the duo for all but guaranteed rings. That was a choice he was fully entitled to make, but his legacy is absolutely going to suffer for it, and IMO deservedly.

Just to be clear I still have LeBron decisively over Curry- I was just making a point about Steph's stature and the bias that comes with it.

I don't agree with the unnecessary emphasis on high stakes/memorable moments in these debates. Doing it when it's not sexy is just as important.

More than that, I go back to my Tim Duncan example. He didn't have to "take over" in playoff games for people to recognize his value. The oversimplified explanation for that would be "yeah because Duncan is a much better defender". Sure, but if we weigh defensive impact into our assessment (as we should) then we should weigh Curry's effect on the cumulative offense which doesn't hinge on his scoring volume the way it does for Kobe/Durant/etc. Like Lowry in TOR, Curry is the great facilitator in GS in a way that isn't represented in the box. His willingness to deflect to teammates in the context of cohesive team basketball is much more of a strength than it is a fault. It was one of Duncan's trademarks. Who gives a damn if worse players like Tony Parker or young Kawhi get to steal the spotlight with meaningless accolades? The team accomplishment is what matters.

[dantheman74]

I like Curry and his ability to break some games open with his greenlight big sack 3pt ability, but he's not ever gonna be top 10. Blatant clickbait by BR.

[Lalouie]

Agree or Disagree?

Steph is by far my favourite player this past decade, and i hope one day he'll deserve this spot, but I personally have him sitting around 15-20 range at the moment.

If you agree - then why?
If you dont agree - then what do you feel Steph needs to accomplish to reach top ten all time?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2854727-bleacher-reports-all-time-player-rankings-nbas-top-50-revealed#slide42

i don't like these comparisons across eras. it disregards rules and basketball trends. what kerr says may be right but still he comparing across eras.

what i mean is, as a curiosity, where is kd or lebron or harden and how do they stack up. what if per chance you added those three into the mix and found that they ALSO would be in the top 5 or 7 or 10. would that not show that today's basketball zeitgeist is skewing the numbers favorably for today's player. what's more impactful, babe ruth hitting 60 home runs when that was more than half the teams in baseball combined,,,or hitting 50 hr's in today's game


me personally, i think curry is the scariest player in the nba. he has every team looking over their shoulder. but i don't need numbers telling me what i already feel in my gut. but i'll say this. let curry finish his damn career before we start adding it all up.
i'll be really curious to see what the narrative will be at the end of this next season.

[Triple7]

I really do think there's a cognitive bias with some people, where you look at LeBron and then Curry and think to yourself "no way is Curry as good a player". I get it, but I disagree with it.

There's an achievement "bias", in that Curry simply hasn't achieved as much nor has he been able to actually dominate any high stakes playoff game from start to finish. He's never won a series as the underdog, and in the biggest season of his career, he only managed to deliver LeBron's culminating achievement.

I'm a big fan of Curry's, but he hasn't the same success as the other guys in the top 10 in terms of memorable high stakes achivements. Wilt is the guy who's most lacking in playoff coups in the top 10, and his regular season dominance was in such a league of its own, for such an extended time, that there's really not much more you can ask of him.

LeBron's got the same issue when he's compared to MJ.

When you're talking about the 10 greatest ever, we are inevitably going to get into this line drawing excercise about who did what.

The other thing about Curry is that he voluntarily punted away his shot at the top 10 to team up with KD. He ate up two years of his prime as the largely seen as 'Pippen' of the duo for all but guaranteed rings. That was a choice he was fully entitled to make, but his legacy is absolutely going to suffer for it, and IMO deservedly.

Just to be clear I still have LeBron decisively over Curry- I was just making a point about Steph's stature and the bias that comes with it.

I don't agree with the unnecessary emphasis on high stakes/memorable moments in these debates. Doing it when it's not sexy is just as important.

More than that, I go back to my Tim Duncan example. He didn't have to "take over" in playoff games for people to recognize his value. The oversimplified explanation for that would be "yeah because Duncan is a much better defender". Sure, but if we weigh defensive impact into our assessment (as we should) then we should weigh Curry's effect on the cumulative offense which doesn't hinge on his scoring volume the way it does for Kobe/Durant/etc. Like Lowry in TOR, Curry is the great facilitator in GS in a way that isn't represented in the box. His willingness to deflect to teammates in the context of cohesive team basketball is much more of a strength than it is a fault. It was one of Duncan's trademarks. Who gives a damn if worse players like Tony Parker or young Kawhi get to steal the spotlight with meaningless accolades? The team accomplishment is what matters.

Of course team accomplishment matters a lot. That’s why KD joined a 73-9 team. That’s why Curry told KD he could care less who gets the recognition in his sales pitch. He values winning more. The thing is, we are not discussing who the greatest team here, we’re discussing if Curry is top ten all time, and individual accolades matters when deciding.

[stoo]

I like this list because Kobe is 14th

[zimpy27]

What's the gap between Kawhi and Curry?

MVP: +2 Curry
Finals MVP: +2 Kawhi
DPOY: +2 Kawhi
Championships: +1 Curry
All-NBA: +3 Curry
All-Defense: +5 Kawhi
All-Star: +3 Curry

Seems pretty even, given Kawhi's setup, could he pass him next season? Or the one after?