Steph Top 10 All Time - According to Bleacher report

[BVB24]

List also has David Robinson 12th. Over Hakeem.

Robinson outplayed Hakeem in most of their matchups. Look at the numbers. He went 30-12 in his career against Hakeem. Aside from ONE playoff series where Hakeem played out of his mind (and Robinson still averaged 24/11/3/2/2 while being double-teamed every time he touched the ball, unlike Hakeem), Robinson usually outperformed Hakeem when they matched up. Robinson is criminally underrated on this board.


Long live The Admiral!

[dhsilv2]

Given Steph's 5-6 year peak rivals anyone short of Kareem, MJ, Lebron, and maybe 1-2 others I can't think of....I can see a strong case for him top 10 if you really focus on peak play. I'm not sure I'm ready to go there personally, but anyone thinking this is crazy just hasn't been watching how out and out stupid good Curry has been the last 6 years.

Even if you count his KD time, I just don't see how that rivals Hakeem, much less MJ, LeBron and Kareem. He had a player (almost) as great as him for a 2 year period, and achieved less than Shaq. For Shaq the top 10 case isn't just his threepeat year in isolation, it's the full body of work.

Well I left room or 1-2 others. And rivals doesn't mean beats.

[Side beard]

You can hate it or love it, but this top10 is really nice.

[TurinTurambar]

That's why it's bleacher report

Off the top of my head in no particular order:

MJ
Magic
Bird
Wilt
Russell
Kareem
Lebron
Duncan
Kobe
Shaq

That's 10 right there. And I haven't looked at a list yet so I'm sure I'm missing a few

If we're being honest, Russell should have no place on any of these lists.

If you had to pick a team to put together to defend your life, you wouldn't pick the 6'9, 220 lb defensive center with no offensive game who shot 44%fg/56%ft and dominated at a time when the NBA was in its relative infancy.

It's great to pay homage to the guys who were good in their era, but if you are picking the most dominant players you have to take all of his into consideration.

By extension, Wilt and Kareem should be behind Shaq and Hakeem.

My top-10 list

MJ
Lebron
Shaq
Hakeem
Magic
Kareem
Wilt
Duncan
Curry
Bird

I just can't wrap my head around this logic. Babe Ruth never had to face fastballs consistently over 90mph, never had to play against non-white players, never had to travel west of St. Louis, and never had to play night games. What he did do, though, was dominate his sport in his time and place to a degree that nobody has ever touched before or since. Just because you couldn't teleport him to 2019 Yankee Stadium and expect him to hit off of Justin Verlander doesn't mean Babe Ruth isn't one of the very best baseball players of all time. You can't justify timelining him out of the top ten.

Right on the edge are KG, KD (if he can carve out his own success in BKN) AD (jf he stays healthy and starts winning now that he's out of NO), and Kawhi (who could take over Bird soon).

So wait, you have Kevin Garnett, Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, and Kawhi Leonard all above Kobe already? Wow.

[clyde21]

What's the gap between Kawhi and Curry?

MVP: +2 Curry
Finals MVP: +2 Kawhi
DPOY: +2 Kawhi
Championships: +1 Curry
All-NBA: +3 Curry
All-Defense: +5 Kawhi
All-Star: +3 Curry

Seems pretty even, given Kawhi's setup, could he pass him next season? Or the one after?

this is a pretty weird and lazy analysis, and Kawhi is quickly becoming the most overrated player of this generation to be honest

first of all...DPOYs do not hold anywhere near the weight of MVPs, so that's far from a wash, finals MVPs are largely circumstantial...I can make a strong argument that Steph's '17 finals were easily more impressive than either of Kawhi's finals MVPs...especially his first when he was like what the 4th best player on that team?

and really...you can do this type of analysis for so many players...we can do one for Durant/LeBron, LeBron only has +1 ring and +1 finals MVP over KD, Durant has +3 scoring titles on LeBron...does that mean Durant is one or two great seasons away from being placed above LeBron?

come on.

[Capn'O]

He went 30-12 in his career against Hakeem.

NM - you are talking about record. Statwise, they played very closely throughout their careers

Robinson typically fared better than he did in that series but he did not outplay Hakeem.

From BBREF, even if you consider their H2H a wash, you have to give the tiebreaker to that series.

[First Take]

Bleacher Report makes no sense. How is Stephen Curry a top 10 of all time when his career isn't done? He has no FMVP and blew a lot of games in the finals.

[zimpy27]

What's the gap between Kawhi and Curry?

MVP: +2 Curry
Finals MVP: +2 Kawhi
DPOY: +2 Kawhi
Championships: +1 Curry
All-NBA: +3 Curry
All-Defense: +5 Kawhi
All-Star: +3 Curry

Seems pretty even, given Kawhi's setup, could he pass him next season? Or the one after?

this is a pretty weird and lazy analysis, and Kawhi is quickly becoming the most overrated player of this generation to be honest

first of all...DPOYs do not hold anywhere near the weight of MVPs, so that's far from a wash, finals MVPs are largely circumstantial...I can make a strong argument that Steph's '17 finals were easily more impressive than either of Kawhi's finals MVPs...especially his first when he was like what the 4th best player on that team?

and really...you can do this type of analysis for so many players...we can do one for Durant/LeBron, LeBron only has +1 ring and +1 finals MVP over KD, Durant has +3 scoring titles on LeBron...does that mean Durant is one or two great seasons away from being placed about LeBron?

come on.

It's not an analysis, it's some facts and some questions. Where do you rank Kawhi and Curry? You can make your own reasons.

I personally have Curry around 18th, I have Kawhi around 40th. Even though their award decorations are much closer.

[ProcessDoctor]

My question for those saying bleacher report is way off, who exactly do you have ahead of him?

I can think of 11 names max I’d rank above him but otherwise I think he’s right there. (MJ, LeBron, Kareem, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Russell, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, Kobe).

He’s already passed the likes of the Big O, KG, Dirk, the Admiral, both Malones, Stockton, Barkley, etc.

[clyde21]

What's the gap between Kawhi and Curry?

MVP: +2 Curry
Finals MVP: +2 Kawhi
DPOY: +2 Kawhi
Championships: +1 Curry
All-NBA: +3 Curry
All-Defense: +5 Kawhi
All-Star: +3 Curry

Seems pretty even, given Kawhi's setup, could he pass him next season? Or the one after?

this is a pretty weird and lazy analysis, and Kawhi is quickly becoming the most overrated player of this generation to be honest

first of all...DPOYs do not hold anywhere near the weight of MVPs, so that's far from a wash, finals MVPs are largely circumstantial...I can make a strong argument that Steph's '17 finals were easily more impressive than either of Kawhi's finals MVPs...especially his first when he was like what the 4th best player on that team?

and really...you can do this type of analysis for so many players...we can do one for Durant/LeBron, LeBron only has +1 ring and +1 finals MVP over KD, Durant has +3 scoring titles on LeBron...does that mean Durant is one or two great seasons away from being placed about LeBron?

come on.

It's not an analysis, it's some facts and some questions. Where do you rank Kawhi and Curry? You can make your own reasons.

I personally have Curry around 18th, I have Kawhi around 40th. Even though their award decorations are much closer.

i mean sure it's 'facts' but it's not a math equation like you made it seem really, like Kawhi being +2 Finals MVP is somehow equal to Steph being +2 MVP, etc, and the question is a weird one...'can Kawhi overtake Steph next season'...what?

[zimpy27]

this is a pretty weird and lazy analysis, and Kawhi is quickly becoming the most overrated player of this generation to be honest

first of all...DPOYs do not hold anywhere near the weight of MVPs, so that's far from a wash, finals MVPs are largely circumstantial...I can make a strong argument that Steph's '17 finals were easily more impressive than either of Kawhi's finals MVPs...especially his first when he was like what the 4th best player on that team?

and really...you can do this type of analysis for so many players...we can do one for Durant/LeBron, LeBron only has +1 ring and +1 finals MVP over KD, Durant has +3 scoring titles on LeBron...does that mean Durant is one or two great seasons away from being placed about LeBron?

come on.

It's not an analysis, it's some facts and some questions. Where do you rank Kawhi and Curry? You can make your own reasons.

I personally have Curry around 18th, I have Kawhi around 40th. Even though their award decorations are much closer.

i mean sure it's 'facts' but it's not a math equation like you made it seem really, like Kawhi being +2 Finals MVP is somehow equal to Steph being +2 MVP, etc, and the question is a weird one...'can Kawhi overtake Steph next season'...what?

It's not meant to be a maths sum, it was shorthand way of comparing, rather than saying 3 all-NBA for Kahwi, 6 all-NBA for Curry.

[liamliam1234]

Are you people serious with these Robinson/Hakeem takes? Hakeem has the advantage even if we ignore the postseason entirely.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/hakeem_olajuwon_vs_david_robinson.htm

... And then you compare their postseasons.

It is not even a competition. David Robinson wins five series without Duncan and gets carried to two titles, while Hakeem carried his own mediocre roster to two. Suggesting they are on the same level and that it is solely dependent on Hakeem embarrassing Robinson in their playoff series is one of the more profoundly ignorant takes I have seen here (Kobe stans aside).

[ZombieKilla]

Curry and David Robinson over Olajuwon destroys any credibility that this list might have had.

I love Robinson, but nobody in history with any clue about basketball would rank him better than Dream.

[dhsilv2]

Are you people serious with these Robinson/Hakeem takes? Hakeem has the advantage even if we ignore the postseason entirely.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/hakeem_olajuwon_vs_david_robinson.htm

... And then you compare their postseasons.

It is not even a competition. David Robinson wins five series without Duncan and gets carried to two titles, while Hakeem carried his own mediocre roster to two. Suggesting they are on the same level and that it is solely dependent on Hakeem embarrassing Robinson in their playoff series is one of the more profoundly ignorant takes I have seen here (Kobe stans aside).

Didn't see anything I'd really use that closely in there.

Career

VORP 80.9 77.1 Robinson
WS 178.7 162.8 Robinson
PER 26.2 23.6 Robinson

So in all the major stats Robinson has a career lead despite less playing game. So if we're going on regular season alone, it's David pretty easily.

Hakeem never lead the league in PER, WS, WS/48, BPM, or VORP. Mean while Robinson lead the league in all of them. More impressively he lead the league in all of them 3 straight seasons.

[Lockdown504090]

idk i think its weird to have a defensive liability who shrinks in big moments in the top ten, but I can see the logic in why he's there although I dont even think he's higher than durant.

[Optms]

He's cracking into the top 10 this season with an an MVP.

He would have been top 7 already had Klay not been injured/left the Raptors series.

[Optms]

idk i think its weird to have a defensive liability who shrinks in big moments in the top ten, but I can see the logic in why he's there although I dont even think he's higher than durant.

KD left the Rockets series and Curry went off the moment he did. Didn't shrink in the Raptors series either. His only real bad game was the last one but he was literately being tripled teamed because Klay left.

Nothing we saw of Curry this past post season indicates he shrunk in the moment. If anything, Steph went down swinging like a champion.

[lakerz12]

Are you people serious with these Robinson/Hakeem takes? Hakeem has the advantage even if we ignore the postseason entirely.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/hakeem_olajuwon_vs_david_robinson.htm

... And then you compare their postseasons.

It is not even a competition. David Robinson wins five series without Duncan and gets carried to two titles, while Hakeem carried his own mediocre roster to two. Suggesting they are on the same level and that it is solely dependent on Hakeem embarrassing Robinson in their playoff series is one of the more profoundly ignorant takes I have seen here (Kobe stans aside).

Didn't see anything I'd really use that closely in there.

Career

VORP 80.9 77.1 Robinson
WS 178.7 162.8 Robinson
PER 26.2 23.6 Robinson

So in all the major stats Robinson has a career lead despite less playing game. So if we're going on regular season alone, it's David pretty easily.

Hakeem never lead the league in PER, WS, WS/48, BPM, or VORP. Mean while Robinson lead the league in all of them. More impressively he lead the league in all of them 3 straight seasons.

So should we throw Anthony Davis into the top 10 pretty soon then? Doesn't he show up really well in the individual advanced stats?

27.4 career PER for AD. Higher than Robinsons'!

Except this is not usually how we rate players all time. Don't you think accomplishments like league MVP, Finals' MVP, Defensive player of the year, first team All NBA, All Star selections, being the best player on a championship team, etc. should be primary factors?

We can find a lot of guys with great career VORP, WS, PER that don't belong anywhere near the top 25 All Time.

Or do you really think we should put AD in the top 10 when he retires, even if he never leads a team to a Title?

[Optms]

Bleacher Report makes no sense. How is Stephen Curry a top 10 of all time when his career isn't done? He has no FMVP and blew a lot of games in the finals.

His impact on offense is second to none. He is the modern day Shaq in terms of court presence and impact. He's knocking on the door on my list but its not outrageous to see him at 10 already. And FMVP's are useless in this debate. Tony Parker has one over Duncan so why is that such an important criteria?

Curry can retire today and the impact he has left on the game is already GOAT-tier. His peak production is top 5 all-time worthy. The accumulative numbers aren't there to put him over someone like Kobe but he'll get there sooner rather than later.

And the only thing someone like Kobe has over Curry is longevity, defense and being a better option late in games. Curry's overall offense destroys those gaps and will certainly put him over a lot more guys than just Kobe when he hangs it up.

[clyde21]

Bleacher Report makes no sense. How is Stephen Curry a top 10 of all time when his career isn't done? He has no FMVP and blew a lot of games in the finals.

finals MVP is such an arbitrary threshold...why does he need it? looks how Steph's #s in the finals vs. Kawhi's and tell me who's are better...yet has Kawhi more FMVPs because FMVPs is entirely circumstantial