Markelle Fultz Updates Thread

[swarlesbarkley]

From "never will play a single game again" to practicing with Kobe and active for training camp.

Someone check the health status of the Sixers board.

...And Pepe.

Don't worry i'm fine
Funny how people have no problems at making this little shots at me but get all bu*** hurt when i bring their history back.
During 2016 you got upset at live thread because somebody suggested that it's Payton, not Vučević that can't defend pick & roll. So should i ridicule you now for next 10 years or?

I have no idea what discussion you're talking about here but there was a time when I though Vuc should close out harder on the PnR. I've since learned that most teams try to get guys to shoot the long 2s because they're the least efficient shot in the game. So if that was the gist of that conversation then, yeah, you were totally right about that.

Regardless, having a discussion about whether or not it was Elf or Vuc's fault that we were getting destroyed by the PnR is way different than claiming Fultz was only releasing videos periodically to get his extension and then stay home and get fat with no desire to play. That's what you were saying a few months ago. Fultz has clearly gotten into shape and is ready to go for training camp.

One discussion is a legit debate about basketball philosophy, the other isn't so much as discussion as much as it is just spewing speculative hate towards a player.

[VFX]

Looking good. Love this boards predicitions of him never coming back or missing most of the season....next day, he's fully participating in training camp

Don't have high expectations for things you can't control, and you'll never be disappointed. Pretty sure 99% of people here want to see him succeed.

Ok so be negative and you'll never be disappointed? Very healthy outlook...

Not saying be positive or negative, just let things take their course. I had no opinion because I'm not around Fultz and I'm not his doctor. Nobody knew anything but many people here were spewing negativity.

If you followed even half of his timeline of events anyone would have a healthy amount of skepticism regarding Fultz ability to play. Hell, he still might not be entirely 100% up to it when it comes time.

I think most are just glad to be hearing news that he’s not going to be sitting on the bench for an extended amount of time, even though he is cleared to play. That was happening during most of his tenure in Philadelphia and why people were already down on him to begin with (not saying it was right or not).

[Max Power]

I’m optimistic about Fultz going in now. Before I didn’t have any feelings due to lack of information coming out about him. Clearly a smart move by the Magic’s brass, letting Markelle do what he needed to do is relative peace was a good strategy. Do I see 10 time All Star? I don’t know enough and I think it’s foolish for anyone to predict that. I think though that Fultz getting back on the court is a great sign. He can’t become anything in the rehab room. Honestly if Fultz can give us 10 and 5 in a reserve role this season I’ll be very happy with him. He is essentially a rookie.

[Creativetran]

The new form looks quicker and modern, maybe a little low on the set point and not sure he is setting quite long enough. But overall it looks solid, especially considering the circumstances. I want to see more of it.

Its a improvement from what we seen of him lately, but not better than his college days.

It's going to be interesting to see how it plays out during game situations.

[Tarheel]

The new form looks quicker and modern, maybe a little low on the set point and not sure he is setting quite long enough. But overall it looks solid, especially considering the circumstances. I want to see more of it.

Its a improvement from what we seen of him lately, but not better than his college days.

It's going to be interesting to see how it plays out during game situations.

I don't see any big issue with his form - in fact my biggest gripe with it is that his off-hand is too far round to the front of the ball (which is unrelated to the shoulder with the issue and easily fixable).

As you say though, the proof will be in the pudding of in-game scenarios, not heavily edited mixtapes.

[swarlesbarkley]

The new form looks quicker and modern, maybe a little low on the set point and not sure he is setting quite long enough. But overall it looks solid, especially considering the circumstances. I want to see more of it.

Its a improvement from what we seen of him lately, but not better than his college days.

It's going to be interesting to see how it plays out during game situations.

New form = less legs (at least from the shootaround) which has it's pros and cons as Pepe pointed out earlier in the thread. I'm no shot expert but it looks like he'll be able to get this off quicker which makes the lower release (compared to college) not very significant. And let's not forget that Fultz has expert handles that he'll most likely be able to get separation whenever he wants.

If we look at the leaked video from a month ago, he was using his legs a bit more (still not as much as college) to get his shots off in a more game-like environment. My guess is his shot will look more like this video which is a nice middle ground of the recent hype videos and his college form.

[Knightro]

Not that this matters at this point, but I totally missed that Kyle Anderson of the Grizzlies had thoracic outlet decompression surgery in mid April.

Read on Twitter

He's cleared for Grizzlies training camp btw.

[ezzzp]

Not that this matters at this point, but I totally missed that Kyle Anderson of the Grizzlies had thoracic outlet decompression surgery in mid April.

Read on Twitter

He's cleared for Grizzlies training camp btw.

Funnily enough, in early January when his "shoulder issue" was first reported (causing him to miss most of January until they finally shut him down for the season), they insisted that he did not have TOS. 4 months later, they admit he had surgery for TOS.

Anderson had been battling escalating symptoms since 2016.

[fendilim]

Not that this matters at this point, but I totally missed that Kyle Anderson of the Grizzlies had thoracic outlet decompression surgery in mid April.

Read on Twitter

He's cleared for Grizzlies training camp btw.

Funnily enough, in early January when his "shoulder issue" was first reported (causing him to miss most of January until they finally shut him down for the season), they insisted that he did not have TOS. Now 9 months later they admit he had surgery for TOS.

Anderson had been battling escalating symptoms since 2016.

Does he have the same injury as Fultz?

Also, that tweet was sent last April.

[ezzzp]

Funnily enough, in early January when his "shoulder issue" was first reported (causing him to miss most of January until they finally shut him down for the season), they insisted that he did not have TOS. Now 4 months later they admit he had surgery for TOS.

Anderson had been battling escalating symptoms since 2016.

Does he have the same injury as Fultz?

Also, that tweet was sent last April.

Ok, I will edit it so its 4 months later that they admitted it as TOS. Like Fultz, it took years before it was diagnosed. Fultz was finally diagnosed with TOS in December, so their rehab timeline is very close.

There are 3 different types of TOS, they don't specify which one...here is a good explanation about each and treatment:

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/17553-thoracic-outlet-syndrome-tos/management-and-treatment

[Knightro]

Does he have the same injury as Fultz?

Also, that tweet was sent last April.

Tweet is from April 18th, 2019. A little over 5 months ago.

And yes, he does have the "same" symptoms that Fultz purportedly has. The only problem is TOS is essentially a catch-all term for *any* discomfort in that thoracic outlet, so treatment isn't the same for everyone.

[ezzzp]

Does he have the same injury as Fultz?

Also, that tweet was sent last April.

Tweet is from April 18th, 2019. A little over 5 months ago.

And yes, he does have the "same" injury that Fultz purportedly has. The only problem is TOS is essentially a catch-all term for *any* discomfort in that thoracic outlet, so treatment isn't the same for everyone.

Fendi pointed it out too so I corrected it, now it says that they finally admitted he had TOS 4 months after denying it.

Like Fultz, it took years before it was diagnosed.

Interestingly enough, Fultz was finally diagnosed with TOS in December and shut down for the year. So their rehab timeline is almost the same.

There are 3 very different types of TOS, and its not known to the public which one either has, but at least now the NBA can use these two cases to get a little better evaluation of treatment strategy since there was basically zero data for NBA prior to Fultz.

[Knightro]

Fendi pointed it out too so I corrected it, now it says that they finally admitted he had TOS 4 months after denying it.

Like Fultz, it took years before it was diagnosed.

Interestingly enough, Fultz was finally diagnosed with TOS in December and shut down for the year. So their rehab timeline is almost the same.

There are 3 very different types of TOS, and its not known to the public which one either has, but at least now the NBA can use these two cases to get a little better evaluation of treatment strategy since there was basically zero data for NBA prior to Fultz.

According to The Athletic, the Grizzlies don't believe he has TOS to this day.

https://theathletic.com/930000/2019/04/17/the-curious-case-of-kyle-andersons-shoulder-and-how-thoracic-outlet-decompression-surgery-can-help/

"While the Grizzlies maintain that Anderson does not have thoracic outlet syndrome, he is undergoing thoracic outlet decompression surgery to relieve his symptoms."

[ezzzp]

Fendi pointed it out too so I corrected it, now it says that they finally admitted he had TOS 4 months after denying it.

Like Fultz, it took years before it was diagnosed.

Interestingly enough, Fultz was finally diagnosed with TOS in December and shut down for the year. So their rehab timeline is almost the same.

There are 3 very different types of TOS, and its not known to the public which one either has, but at least now the NBA can use these two cases to get a little better evaluation of treatment strategy since there was basically zero data for NBA prior to Fultz.

According to The Athletic, the Grizzlies don't believe he has TOS to this day.

https://theathletic.com/930000/2019/04/17/the-curious-case-of-kyle-andersons-shoulder-and-how-thoracic-outlet-decompression-surgery-can-help/

"While the Grizzlies maintain that Anderson does not have thoracic outlet syndrome, he is undergoing thoracic outlet decompression surgery to relieve his symptoms."

Whoa, that's insane...if its just in his head, Anderson just had a rib surgically removed from his body for "phantom" pain that his team doesn't believe he has.

[Knightro]

Whoa, that's insane...if its just in his head, Anderson just had a rib surgically removed from his body for "phantom" pain that his team doesn't believe he has.

For the record, I have suggested absolutely nothing of the sort about Kyle Anderson.

All I was saying is that that the Grizzlies have denied, even after giving the green light on a surgery, that Anderson has thoracic outlet syndrome. That's all.

[ezzzp]

Whoa, that's insane...if its just in his head, Anderson just had a rib surgically removed from his body for "phantom" pain that his team doesn't believe he has.

For the record, I have suggested absolutely nothing of the sort about Kyle Anderson.

All I was saying is that that the Grizzlies have denied, even after giving the green light on a surgery, that Anderson has thoracic outlet syndrome. That's all.

Do you know if Major League Baseball teams admit their players have TOS? or do they do the same thing and deny their players have TOS but let them have surgery...which would seem crazy since apparently that surgery ends a good % of their careers.

[Knightro]

Do you know if Major League Baseball teams admit their players have TOS? or do they do the same thing and deny their players have TOS but let them have surgery...which would seem crazy since apparently that surgery ends a good % of their careers.

You (and perhaps also the Grizzlies) are getting a little too caught up in the semantics here.

The Grizzlies believe Kyle Anderson had symptoms that would be alleviated with thoracic outlet decompression surgery. So they opted to let him have the surgery.

Nothing "fake" about that.

Memphis is simply refusing to say that Anderson actually had full blown thoracic outlet syndrome, just that he had symptoms that could be addressed via decompression surgery.

Are they arguing semantics? Perhaps. But you're also doing it right now as well.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Whats hilarious to me is that if Markelle's' jumper returns hes actually a better fit than B Simmons... LMAO. Dude is massively overrated.

[ezzzp]

Do you know if Major League Baseball teams admit their players have TOS? or do they do the same thing and deny their players have TOS but let them have surgery...which would seem crazy since apparently that surgery ends a good % of their careers.

You (and perhaps also the Grizzlies) are getting a little too caught up in the semantics here.

The Grizzlies believe Kyle Anderson had symptoms that would be alleviated with thoracic outlet decompression surgery. So they opted to let him have the surgery.

Nothing "fake" about that.

Memphis is simply refusing to say that Anderson actually had full blown thoracic outlet syndrome, just symptoms that could be addressed via decompression surgery.

Are they arguing semantics? Perhaps. But you're also doing it right now as well.

You are arguing and as caught up on the semantics as well...so there's that.

[Knightro]

You are arguing and as caught up on the semantics as well...so there's that.

Uhhh no.

Quite literally all I did was post an excerpt from a story about Anderson's surgery that stated the Grizzlies believe he does not/did not have TOS. That's it.

I didn't even offer up my opinion on the matter.

You jumped all over it and tried to twist it around as some sort of sarcastic knock on me because last week I suggested that no team would allow a player to have surgery if they didn't believe they were actually hurt and because I also suggested that Fultz refused surgery because that would make his injury real.

But by all means, we're doing the same thing.