KC Mailbag "Dunn looks great in workouts"... Thinks he will start

[ZOMG]

KC seems a little edgier over there at NBC. Cool.

His Satoransky man crush is pretty high as well.

If they want to trade Dunn still and get some value, then the talk should be he is starting.
Whose going to give us value for a back-up PG on a contract year that hasn't panned out.
I love the guy but he can't stay on the floor because of his style of play. Frustrating.

Someone will lose a PG in training camp and will call.

Archie is a throwback type PG. I think he works with Zach and Otto taking a ton of shots.
If Zach steps it up on D

I always hate this thought that you do anything with a guy's minutes to create value. If he wins the job then he wins the job and we should play him. If he can't beat out Sato to win the job then starting him won't do us any good. We aren't going to get more than a 2nd rounder in terms of value unless he plays so well that we no longer want to trade him anyway.

Kris Dunn is absolutely a known commodity in this league. Doesn't affect his trade value one bit whether he starts or not. Starting would only stroke his ego and embarrass Sato. That's it.

For the life of me I can't think of a single reason for this "start Dunn at first and then let Sato steal his job" crap. Fu**ing around with that stuff is always risky in the NBA, where egos and locker room factions come into play. Just make a decision and stick with it for a while.

That said, an "open competition" in practice is completely useless anyway. These aren't rookies. Dunn has had several seasons to show what he can do in actual games, and so has Sato. The results are clear. The team needs to decide once and for all what kind of a PG we want running things. This stuff can't be decided by Dunn "looking like a real dog" in some bulls**t practice scrimmage.

There are literally no downsides to starting Satoransky.

[ChettheJet]

It's practice and the primary goal is don't get injured in pre season practice. The second most important thing about Dunn is that he's healthy, the first is that he plays well and the third is he stays healthy which is no sure bet. Dunn playing well in the pre season is a great thing for the Bulls because it provides options down the road. Say he's great and healthy, White comes along behind him. If they look good enough to get the minutes they can trade Satoransky to a team that has an injury need at the PG, he's an inexpensive option. Or somebody really like Dunn and sees him sticking in the future, they give up a late first.

You can get something for a player that looks like something, if you bench a guy he's not going to bring any return and you're looking at cutting him.

[sco]

It's practice and the primary goal is don't get injured in pre season practice. The second most important thing about Dunn is that he's healthy, the first is that he plays well and the third is he stays healthy which is no sure bet. Dunn playing well in the pre season is a great thing for the Bulls because it provides options down the road. Say he's great and healthy, White comes along behind him. If they look good enough to get the minutes they can trade Satoransky to a team that has an injury need at the PG, he's an inexpensive option. Or somebody really like Dunn and sees him sticking in the future, they give up a late first.

You can get something for a player that looks like something, if you bench a guy he's not going to bring any return and you're looking at cutting him.

I think the chances of getting more than a 2nd rounder for Dunn are very low. I think I like the narrative that Dunn is getting benched because we have these other guys who are all under contract and we're investing for the longer term, but Dunn has been working hard and has been professional (and waiting for his opportunity) is more likely to garner value for him that trotting him out there and hoping for a big change.

[ZOMG]

It's practice and the primary goal is don't get injured in pre season practice. The second most important thing about Dunn is that he's healthy, the first is that he plays well and the third is he stays healthy which is no sure bet. Dunn playing well in the pre season is a great thing for the Bulls because it provides options down the road. Say he's great and healthy, White comes along behind him. If they look good enough to get the minutes they can trade Satoransky to a team that has an injury need at the PG, he's an inexpensive option. Or somebody really like Dunn and sees him sticking in the future, they give up a late first.

You can get something for a player that looks like something, if you bench a guy he's not going to bring any return and you're looking at cutting him.

I think the chances of getting more than a 2nd rounder for Dunn are very low. I think I like the narrative that Dunn is getting benched because we have these other guys who are all under contract and we're investing for the longer term, but Dunn has been working hard and has been professional (and waiting for his opportunity) is more likely to garner value for him that trotting him out there and hoping for a big change.

In a nutshell: the less Kris Dunn plays, the more attractive he is as a trade target.

[Chi town]

It's practice and the primary goal is don't get injured in pre season practice. The second most important thing about Dunn is that he's healthy, the first is that he plays well and the third is he stays healthy which is no sure bet. Dunn playing well in the pre season is a great thing for the Bulls because it provides options down the road. Say he's great and healthy, White comes along behind him. If they look good enough to get the minutes they can trade Satoransky to a team that has an injury need at the PG, he's an inexpensive option. Or somebody really like Dunn and sees him sticking in the future, they give up a late first.

You can get something for a player that looks like something, if you bench a guy he's not going to bring any return and you're looking at cutting him.

I think the chances of getting more than a 2nd rounder for Dunn are very low. I think I like the narrative that Dunn is getting benched because we have these other guys who are all under contract and we're investing for the longer term, but Dunn has been working hard and has been professional (and waiting for his opportunity) is more likely to garner value for him that trotting him out there and hoping for a big change.

In a nutshell: the less Kris Dunn plays, the more attractive he is as a trade target.

The reality is he will be getting a lot of mins if Val and Hutch aren’t ready. KC also said Bulls want to keep otto fresh and injury free which means more rest.

[drosereturn]

The myth that starting Dunn would do wonders for the team and bolster trade value is not really convincing.
How many wins Bulls should again sacrifice to develop him after investing 2 yrs of time for his development?
At the sake of playoff spot, no way they do it for garbage picks. Rather waive him and free more minutes to the rookie.

Dunn had his time and he wasted it. His contract should be converted into a two way contract and become another body in case starting point guard goes down with a injury. Stay in the G league until you are needed.

[Fl_Flash]

I agree with those that say Dunn is a known commodity. I think where we may be able to bolster his value is as a sixth\seventh man combo guard. Dunn is an NBA player and certainly belongs in the league. I don't think he's necessarily a starting PG, but as a PG\SG combo guard - he has value. That's the role I seem him somewhat excelling at here. First guard off the bench either as the PG or SG (depending on who is on the floor when he comes in).

You're not getting a lottery pick for him (unless whatever team you're dealing with is desperate), but I don't see a mid-to-late first as out of the question.

He may see his time with the Bulls as coming to an end, but that doesn't mean he can't find a place on one of the 29 other teams in the league. I'm thinking like an E'twan Moore - type scenario. He takes a few years to find his niche, but once he's there - he's a solid, if not spectacular player.

[League Circles]

The myth that starting Dunn would do wonders for the team and bolster trade value is not really convincing.
How many wins Bulls should again sacrifice to develop him after investing 2 yrs of time for his development?
At the sake of playoff spot, no way they do it for garbage picks. Rather waive him and free more minutes to the rookie.

Dunn had his time and he wasted it. His contract should be converted into a two way contract and become another body in case starting point guard goes down with a injury. Stay in the G league until you are needed.

We shouldn't sacrifice any wins in order to force Dunn as the starting PG.

We also shouldn't sacrifice any wins in order to force Tomas as the starting PG.

People are over thinking this.

If Dunn is looking better in camp than Tomas, or even pretty close, why wouldn't we start him?

[aramada]

Wow. Sounds like a GREAT idea to embarrass your new PG acquisition right off the bat by not only making him come off the bench, but playing behind a dude who's been showing for the last two seasons that he just can't hack it.

Remember, Satoransky actually WANTED to come to Chicago, and he seems like a guy who will be extremely loyal and a long-term building block. What's more, he just showed the whole world that he's a leader and a winner.

I hate the "Ginobili effect" - when a guy is unselfish and plays without an ego, it somehow makes him a prime candidate for a bench role. That's bulls**t. He's our best point guard, period.

I know, I know... nothing should surprise us anymore when it comes to this team and its coaches. But starting Dunn would be a horrific mistake.

The main reason he's not a lock to start at PG is that his defense, combined with LaVine's, would make our starting backcourt among the worst in the league defensively. It will come down to how much he complements the starting unit offensively vs. how Dunn improved this offseason

[transplant]

If Dunn is playing very good basketball, it’s a high-class problem and you can color me delighted.


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[Chicago-Bull-E]

Ah ok. But he's clearly all over the place with what he thinks will happen.

KC always the risk taker and bold claim maker. “Dunn will start. no Sato will start. White will need big minutes. And Archi is great”

All in the same article. Thanks for the hot stuff KC.

To be fair... he said eventually Sato will be the starter but that Dunn will likely start opening day.

He said Archie has good value for a back of the bench player.

He said twice White will get 20+ minutes off the bench.

Where is your confusion coming in?

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Where did I say I was confused?

I’m saying it’s a meaningless and vanilla article, which is typical of KC. He heaps praise on everyone, which is akin to saying nothing at all.

[Kurt Heimlich]

Dunn has been so awful on offense for the last 2 years that I am unable to believe "Dunn looks great" until I see it myself. We can't have a guy that terrible offensively play big minutes in such a high usage and high importance position as the lead guard. As an off guard defender in a backcourt with Coby or Arci on the 2nd team might be passable in spurts.

But I don't personally expect that Dunn has miraculously become a high efficiency (or just average efficiency would be a huge step up) scorer who's abandoned his inefficient ball pounding ways. And with Sato coming off a big FIBA tourney I'm all the more skeptical that Dunn will deserve to start.

[TheFinishSniper]

The main reason he's not a lock to start at PG is that his defense, combined with LaVine's, would make our starting backcourt among the worst in the league defensively. It will come down to how much he complements the starting unit offensively vs. how Dunn improved this offseason

You worry too much about lack of defense. Because Dunn was bad on that end last year. Worse than Lavine was and you knocking Lavine here as bad defender.

If you saying Zach is bad defender than you need to say Lauri is also because both eneded with -1.7 DBPM. But if we going by defensive win shares Zach last year was exactly good or bad on defense as Dunn was (-1.2). So I will never get this argument for Dunn to start because of defense. Zach even with that still ended with +1.1 VORP and 2.8 WS overall.

Just to put it in comparasion last year Sato was +4.7 in WS and 0.9 on defensive WS along . And ended with -1 DBPM. So actually Sato is just as good defensive player as Dunn and much better offensive basketball player compared to Dunn.

[ATRAIN53]

They will trade Dunn as soon as a decent offer comes around they like.
GarPax is greedy - even tho we already won the Butler deal - they still want more.

Lakers could totally use him but they have nothing to offer.
He's attractive as a 25yr old on an expiring deal yet to prove it.

It will hurt because I really really like him, but he's injury prone and not a superstar and up for an extension.
Someone else will overpay him.

Sato is going to be a fan favorite, he's got that hustle type player mentality and were not looking at him to score 15-20PPG like we envisioned Dunn to and expect from Coby at some point.

Sato is fine knowing his job is to pass the ball to Zach or Otto and take the open shot. Archie does that well too.

Writing is on the wall for KD, the minute they drafted Coby he should have put his house on the market.
KC is helping everyone out pumping him up - esp Kris. I'm cool with it, kid came from nothing and can use the help.

[ZOMG]

They will trade Dunn as soon as a decent offer comes around they like.
GarPax is greedy - even tho we already won the Butler deal - they still want more.

Lakers could totally use him but they have nothing to offer.
He's attractive as a 25yr old on an expiring deal yet to prove it.

It will hurt because I really really like him, but he's injury prone and not a superstar and up for an extension.
Someone else will overpay him.

Sato is going to be a fan favorite, he's got that hustle type player mentality and were not looking at him to score 15-20PPG like we envisioned Dunn to and expect from Coby at some point.

Sato is fine knowing his job is to pass the ball to Zach or Otto and take the open shot. Archie does that well too.

Writing is on the wall for KD, the minute they drafted Coby he should have put his house on the market.
KC is helping everyone out pumping him up - esp Kris. I'm cool with it, kid came from nothing and can use the help.

We all know Dunn had a tough childhood. However, the fact remains that he had his chance. And not just any chance - the kind most young NBA guards can only dream of. He was gifted a starting position for two whole seasons, seemingly with no accountability whatsoever. Not to mention that he made millions of dollars while converting that fantastic chance into lots of bad basketball.

At some point you have to say that enough is enough. Nobody should feel sorry for Dunn even if he's playing in China two months from now.

[Hold That]

KC seems a little edgier over there at NBC. Cool.

His Satoransky man crush is pretty high as well.

If they want to trade Dunn still and get some value, then the talk should be he is starting.
Whose going to give us value for a back-up PG on a contract year that hasn't panned out.
I love the guy but he can't stay on the floor because of his style of play. Frustrating.

Someone will lose a PG in training camp and will call.

Archie is a throwback type PG. I think he works with Zach and Otto taking a ton of shots.
If Zach steps it up on D

I always hate this thought that you do anything with a guy's minutes to create value. If he wins the job then he wins the job and we should play him. If he can't beat out Sato to win the job then starting him won't do us any good. We aren't going to get more than a 2nd rounder in terms of value unless he plays so well that we no longer want to trade him anyway.

Kris Dunn is absolutely a known commodity in this league. Doesn't affect his trade value one bit whether he starts or not. Starting would only stroke his ego and embarrass Sato. That's it.

For the life of me I can't think of a single reason for this "start Dunn at first and then let Sato steal his job" crap. Fu**ing around with that stuff is always risky in the NBA, where egos and locker room factions come into play. Just make a decision and stick with it for a while.

That said, an "open competition" in practice is completely useless anyway. These aren't rookies. Dunn has had several seasons to show what he can do in actual games, and so has Sato. The results are clear. The team needs to decide once and for all what kind of a PG we want running things. This stuff can't be decided by Dunn "looking like a real dog" in some bulls**t practice scrimmage.

There are literally no downsides to starting Satoransky.

I agree that Kris’s Dunnn starting does nothing to his trade value.. he’s going to have to come in and have a career year for that needle to move.

But what I strongly disagree is that Sato deserves some sort of entitlement starting role despite not proving anything in a Bulls jersey and he didn’t come in as a star or a budding potential star. He came in as a decent role player who is productive. If he being outplayed in training camp by the current starting PG or former whatever you want to call Dunn, then how does this equate to it being a waste of time for Sato? Shouldn’t he be already in form playing in the qualifiers? This sounds like you want Dunn to fail more than you want that light bulb to go off in his head.

Kris’s Dunn has all the tools to be a good player in this league and PGs take time. Some take 5 years for it to clique. If Dunn is looking THAT much better than everyone else that KC even had to mention it, then maybe you should take a pause from the hate because truthfully you’re not at the practice to witness. Let’s wait until the pre season and evaluate before you write off someone taking a leap. Sorry to break it too you but the leap isn’t that big either to look better than Sato.

[ZOMG]

I always hate this thought that you do anything with a guy's minutes to create value. If he wins the job then he wins the job and we should play him. If he can't beat out Sato to win the job then starting him won't do us any good. We aren't going to get more than a 2nd rounder in terms of value unless he plays so well that we no longer want to trade him anyway.

Kris Dunn is absolutely a known commodity in this league. Doesn't affect his trade value one bit whether he starts or not. Starting would only stroke his ego and embarrass Sato. That's it.

For the life of me I can't think of a single reason for this "start Dunn at first and then let Sato steal his job" crap. Fu**ing around with that stuff is always risky in the NBA, where egos and locker room factions come into play. Just make a decision and stick with it for a while.

That said, an "open competition" in practice is completely useless anyway. These aren't rookies. Dunn has had several seasons to show what he can do in actual games, and so has Sato. The results are clear. The team needs to decide once and for all what kind of a PG we want running things. This stuff can't be decided by Dunn "looking like a real dog" in some bulls**t practice scrimmage.

There are literally no downsides to starting Satoransky.

I agree that Kris’s Dunnn starting does nothing to his trade value.. he’s going to have to come in and have a career year for that needle to move.

But what I strongly disagree is that Sato deserves some sort of entitlement starting role despite not proving anything in a Bulls jersey and he didn’t come in as a star or a budding potential star. He came in as a decent role player who is productive. If he being outplayed in training camp by the current starting PG or former whatever you want to call Dunn, then how does this equate to it being a waste of time for Sato? Shouldn’t he be already in form playing in the qualifiers? This sounds like you want Dunn to fail more than you want that light bulb to go off in his head.

Kris’s Dunn has all the tools to be a good player in this league and PGs take time. Some take 5 years for it to clique. If Dunn is looking THAT much better than everyone else that KC even had to mention it, then maybe you should take a pause from the hate because truthfully you’re not at the practice to witness. Let’s wait until the pre season and evaluate before you right off someone taking a leap.

The thing is, we need a PG who fits this team. It's been said again and again. I'm not really interested in Kris Dunn suddenly turning into a turbo boost version of what he's been over the last two seasons. He still wouldn't fit because he's a ball-dominant combo guard who doesn't know how to run a team efficiently.

We have lots of offensive weapons this year and ball movement is the catalyst for making use of them. What we need is a pass-first PG who can make his open shots when he gets them. That player is not Kris Dunn.

[Hold That]

Kris Dunn is absolutely a known commodity in this league. Doesn't affect his trade value one bit whether he starts or not. Starting would only stroke his ego and embarrass Sato. That's it.

For the life of me I can't think of a single reason for this "start Dunn at first and then let Sato steal his job" crap. Fu**ing around with that stuff is always risky in the NBA, where egos and locker room factions come into play. Just make a decision and stick with it for a while.

That said, an "open competition" in practice is completely useless anyway. These aren't rookies. Dunn has had several seasons to show what he can do in actual games, and so has Sato. The results are clear. The team needs to decide once and for all what kind of a PG we want running things. This stuff can't be decided by Dunn "looking like a real dog" in some bulls**t practice scrimmage.

There are literally no downsides to starting Satoransky.

I agree that Kris’s Dunnn starting does nothing to his trade value.. he’s going to have to come in and have a career year for that needle to move.

But what I strongly disagree is that Sato deserves some sort of entitlement starting role despite not proving anything in a Bulls jersey and he didn’t come in as a star or a budding potential star. He came in as a decent role player who is productive. If he being outplayed in training camp by the current starting PG or former whatever you want to call Dunn, then how does this equate to it being a waste of time for Sato? Shouldn’t he be already in form playing in the qualifiers? This sounds like you want Dunn to fail more than you want that light bulb to go off in his head.

Kris’s Dunn has all the tools to be a good player in this league and PGs take time. Some take 5 years for it to clique. If Dunn is looking THAT much better than everyone else that KC even had to mention it, then maybe you should take a pause from the hate because truthfully you’re not at the practice to witness. Let’s wait until the pre season and evaluate before you right off someone taking a leap.

The thing is, we need a PG who fits this team. It's been said again and again. I'm not really interested in Kris Dunn suddenly turning into a turbo boost version of what he's been over the last two seasons. He still wouldn't fit because he's a ball-dominant combo guard who doesn't know how to run a team efficiently.

We have lots of offensive weapons this year and ball movement is the catalyst for making use of them. What we need is a pass-first PG who can make his open shots when he gets them. That player is not Kris Dunn.

This isn’t a very talented team. And there will likely be maybe one allstar from this current group if we’re lucky. With that said if Dunn is developing into a better version then we need him. Bulls need good players period. We have no star, I’m not worried about “fit. And the Bulls just drafted a ball dominant Score first PG so hey obviously believe that style is what this team needs.

[GrowingHorns]

I give it 1% chance. i just don't see any way how Dunn would fit better with our starters than Satoransky... Well the only thing that comes to mind is he knows them from longer time. And maybe he doesn't shoot airball threes anymore... shrug

[kodo]

Even if Dunn plays extremely well, that just means he'll need a huge contract like Terry Rozier. It can be a negative for his asset value.

If Dunn starts I'll have to assume it's because he's outplaying the competition. Crazier things have happened to Bulls players in contract years.