"Busts" Who Bounced Back

[dho4ever]

Tyson Chandler. Dude was a #2 pick who underperformed until Mavs happened to him.

He underperformed in the sense that he never learned how to create his own shot on offense. A lot of his points were putbacks or lobs. That said, he also never forced anything and his FG% remains quite high.

Chandler was a pretty good defender in Chicago. And had his best season with the New Orelean Hornets. Considering how bad pure centers were during the era, I think he was top 5-ish.

Dwight
Yao
Bynum
???
Chandler?

[IgorK]

Tyson Chandler. Dude was a #2 pick who underperformed until Mavs happened to him.

He underperformed in the sense that he never learned how to create his own shot on offense. A lot of his points were putbacks or lobs. That said, he also never forced anything and his FG% remains quite high.

Chandler was a pretty good defender in Chicago. And had his best season with the New Orelean Hornets. Considering how bad pure centers were during the era, I think he was top 5-ish.

Dwight
Yao
Bynum
???
Chandler?

His stats from his first four years SCREAM bust. Look it up.

[Fencer reregistered]

Ilgauskas was drafted 20th, soon got a big contract, which looked horrible due to injuries that seemed likely to be career-limiting, and hence in some ways seemed to be a bust at that point. Later he was an all-star, twice.

[Effigy]

The first guy I honk about for this question is always Donnyell Marshall. Dude started out not so great and then really became a good player a few years later for Utah.

[HotelVitale]

Tyson Chandler. Dude was a #2 pick who underperformed until Mavs happened to him.

You’re remembering that wrong. He was already a solid player (if a little disappointing as a top pick) in Chicago—they traded him only to clear room to sign Ben Wallace—and then he was a very very important part of the Chris Paul New Orleans teams. That was definitely his breakout years and the whole world saw him as a good starter. Then he was traded for another good starter in Emeka Okafor, struggled with injuries the next year and then returned to form with Dallas and NYK. Don't even think he was any better on the Mavs than in the N.O. years, let alone having some kind of redemption from bust to boom then.

I sort of agree. He wasn't even the best big man on those NO teams (David West was) and his injuries basically made him underperform. When he joined the Mavs it all clicked for him.

Just looked it up: he had two full seasons of playing 73 and 79 games (so no major injuries) on NO and he posted raw and advanced numbers that were as good as anything he put up later. In 07-08 he played 79 games and put up a career best 12/12, with 10 win shares and a 3.1 BPM. All of those are better than his DAL year.

[IgorK]

You’re remembering that wrong. He was already a solid player (if a little disappointing as a top pick) in Chicago—they traded him only to clear room to sign Ben Wallace—and then he was a very very important part of the Chris Paul New Orleans teams. That was definitely his breakout years and the whole world saw him as a good starter. Then he was traded for another good starter in Emeka Okafor, struggled with injuries the next year and then returned to form with Dallas and NYK. Don't even think he was any better on the Mavs than in the N.O. years, let alone having some kind of redemption from bust to boom then.

I sort of agree. He wasn't even the best big man on those NO teams (David West was) and his injuries basically made him underperform. When he joined the Mavs it all clicked for him.

Just looked it up: he had two full seasons of playing 73 and 79 games (so no major injuries) on NO and he posted raw and advanced numbers that were as good as anything he put up later. In 07-08 he played 79 games and put up a career best 12/12, with 10 win shares and a 3.1 BPM. All of those are better than his DAL year.

In Dallas all he was responsible for was anchoring the inside D, rebound, and hit free throws. Not the same role he had in NO. Cool story though.

[HotelVitale]

I sort of agree. He wasn't even the best big man on those NO teams (David West was) and his injuries basically made him underperform. When he joined the Mavs it all clicked for him.

Just looked it up: he had two full seasons of playing 73 and 79 games (so no major injuries) on NO and he posted raw and advanced numbers that were as good as anything he put up later. In 07-08 he played 79 games and put up a career best 12/12, with 10 win shares and a 3.1 BPM. All of those are better than his DAL year.

In Dallas all he was responsible for was anchoring the inside D, rebound, and hit free throws. Not the same role he had in NO. Cool story though.

Not sure why you're digging in on this, but yeah that's exactly what his role was--apart from the FT part since he didn't shoot many of them in either NO or DAL. He was the defensive anchor and a top rebounder in both places, and his main offensive weapons were putbacks and lobs/rolls. Tyson Chandler has always been Tyson Chandler--he never did post-ups or had an offense run through him or anything else. And his numbers are just about the same in most of his good/healthy seasons in. Check google or youtube or something, really not sure where you're coming from here.

[Stillwater]

Winslow comes to mind
followed by Randle

Is Winslow a PG now? He is one of the players I'll be watching next season. He's been ignored by me in fantasy for several years.

As for Randle, I'm sure his value improved with the Pels, but he ended up on the Knicks. He could be a good pairing with block star Mitchell Robinson and Kevin Knox. They look good for a young team on paper, but it's still the Knicks. I dunno.

yeah it's funny how injuries often allow hidden assets to a players game to shine through when given spot minutes by committee in positions they don't usually play , but it's really rare for a player like him to go into that role on heavy minutes except in Miami's case where they really had no one else and discovered that was his best position.
As far as Randle I thought his game broke out quietly in NO and is primed for all nba numbers in NY even though they will suck

[slicedbread2]

Pervis Ellison. First he was a bust, then he wasn't, then he was, again.

Never Nervous Pervis was the No 1 overall pick in the 1989 draft. SAC, the team that drafted him gave up on him after a lackluster rookie season. He was traded to Washington where he had a rather "meh" second season - for a No. 1 overall pick, and then he totally busted out, averaging 20.0 PTS/G, 11.2 REB/G, 2.9 AST/G and 2.7 BLK/G and winning MIP his third season in the league.

He had one more decent year in Washington and then back to obscurity. Of course, injuries played a part, but it was bizarre how he sucked, then didn't, then did.

It's a shame. He seemed to have promise and his health just wasn't with him. Don't forget Danny Ainge gave him the derisive nickname "out of service" while teammates in Sacramento.

[dc]

Pervis Ellison. First he was a bust, then he wasn't, then he was, again.

Never Nervous Pervis was the No 1 overall pick in the 1989 draft. SAC, the team that drafted him gave up on him after a lackluster rookie season. He was traded to Washington where he had a rather "meh" second season - for a No. 1 overall pick, and then he totally busted out, averaging 20.0 PTS/G, 11.2 REB/G, 2.9 AST/G and 2.7 BLK/G and winning MIP his third season in the league.

He had one more decent year in Washington and then back to obscurity. Of course, injuries played a part, but it was bizarre how he sucked, then didn't, then did.

It's a shame. He seemed to have promise and his health just wasn't with him. Don't forget Danny Ainge gave him the derisive nickname "out of service" while teammates in Sacramento.

Ellison basically had Brandon Roy-like knees. He didn't have anymore cartilage left in his knees by his mid-20s. Too bad.

In college, he was just maybe 1 or 1.5 steps below what Tim Duncan was at Wake Forest. He was really good defensively. He was a bit undersized as a C in the 90s. In today's game, that wouldn't be the case.

[Hellcrooner]

C Laettener and T Gugliotta.

first they were going to be Larry Bird.

then they werent.
People got nervous.

They picked it up eventually and became borderline allstars wich is not as great as they were supposed to be but isnt Bust materia namecalling either.

[Dominator83]

The first guy I honk about for this question is always Donnyell Marshall. Dude started out not so great and then really became a good player a few years later for Utah.

If the rumors are correct, Paxsons hard-on for him is why we ended up with Hinrich instead of Wade

[Hellcrooner]

Kwame Brown is the correct answer.

Only if Op changes the name to " Bustas" who Bounced back from team to team.

[Saints14]

Not sure if injuries count, but Embiid was looking like a wasted pick for a while until he finally stayed healthy

[dc]

Kwame Brown is the correct answer.

Only if Op changes the name to " Bustas" who Bounced back from team to team.

Yeah, the guy went from a bust into a serviceable role player.

It's not like he set the world on fire or even turned himself into a largely positive asset. He was basically a Kevin Willis-like journeyman after his Wiz days and played on 7 teams in 8 years.

[Soulyss]

Nurkic was headed to the Bust category before being moved to Portland.... He feels like he fits this thread.

[Soulyss]

I think Lonzo and Beasley have bounced back from past seasons last season. The Pels took Lonzo in trade and more fans think he'll do better with them this year. Had he stayed with the Lakers, then he would've worked with head asst. coach, Jason Kidd, who is his comparison.

Beasley showed he could be the Nugz best 3-pt shooter in terms of accuracy last season. He definitely bounced back from poor showings his first two years.

I threw Fultz in there b/c his fans still think he can bounce back despite all his troubles. His "bounce back" is still in their minds. Fultz hasn't shown it, but he's on a new team now, the Magic, and he is coming back from another injury. This one is the best -- thoracic outlet syndrome (TOS). It cannot be traced by MRI, but it's the primary cause of his shooting woes.

Beasley has a ton. I agree with you there. But you were 1/3. Fultz and Ball haven't bounced back, yet. Here's hoping they do.

I think Ball has bounced back in terms of fans and league perception. I'm sure the Lakers were planning on keeping Ball except the Pels wanted him to be paired with Jrue. Afterward, the Pels got trade offers for Ball and Ingram, but they decided to keep them.

I'm not as sure about Fultz. His fans still think he'll make it, but he's not on a good team. Fultz could end up as one of the biggest busts ever, but the Magic only gave up a Simmons, a protected first rounder, and a second. Aside from his fans and the Magic fans, nobody, but nobody expects him to become a star. His comp is James Harden.

My take is Fultz should try Chinese medicine such as acupuncture. I've read that Eastern medicine has no nervous system. One cannot treat the nervous system, so they have acupuncture to take care of the spirit and body flow. I think that would help what ails Fultz. TOS is supposed to cause pain because the brain thinks a portion of the body is sending them the pain signal when it isn't hurt. If that's true, then it is a problem. Not a mental one, but a nerve related physical one that cannot be treated properly by Western medicine and pills. Thus, the acupuncture should help him alleviate his pain. The other part about Eastern medicine I like is how they treat each patient individually. You are not treated just for the symptoms.

How can Ball have bounced back without playing? This makes no sense. Ball is firmly in bust category unless he has a good year or two with the Pels... Fultz is even worse... Beasley I wouldn't say has bounced back... but frankly he wasn't even a lotto pick so I don't think he was really a bust either.

[Soulyss]

Greg Oden is no a bust. Injuries derailed his career like Grant Hill

I tend to agree with this... Dude was a freak and amazing when he was healthy... I have a hard time saying Health issues = Bust.

[Dominator83]

Tyson Chandler. Dude was a #2 pick who underperformed until Mavs happened to him.

He underperformed in the sense that he never learned how to create his own shot on offense. A lot of his points were putbacks or lobs. That said, he also never forced anything and his FG% remains quite high.

Chandler was a pretty good defender in Chicago. And had his best season with the New Orelean Hornets. Considering how bad pure centers were during the era, I think he was top 5-ish.

Dwight
Yao
Bynum
???
Chandler?

His stats from his first four years SCREAM bust. Look it up.

As a Bulls fan who watched him those 5 years, yea he was mostly bust. He had a nice stretch at the end of his 2nd year, and beginning of his 3rd year where he was putting up some pretty beastly statlines. Then he dove into the stands for a loose ball, messed up his back. When he returned Cartwright had been replaced by Skiles, and he wasn't the same after. Year 4 he was pretty good. He mostly came off the bench but was good. Year 5 he regressed and did not look good at all. Then N.O. gets him basically for free and he goes on to be a very solid piece for them

[Nazrmohamed]

Winslow comes to mind
followed by Randle

Is Winslow a PG now? He is one of the players I'll be watching next season. He's been ignored by me in fantasy for several years.

As for Randle, I'm sure his value improved with the Pels, but he ended up on the Knicks. He could be a good pairing with block star Mitchell Robinson and Kevin Knox. They look good for a young team on paper, but it's still the Knicks. I dunno.

yeah it's funny how injuries often allow hidden assets to a players game to shine through when given spot minutes by committee in positions they don't usually play , but it's really rare for a player like him to go into that role on heavy minutes except in Miami's case where they really had no one else and discovered that was his best position.
As far as Randle I thought his game broke out quietly in NO and is primed for all nba numbers in NY even though they will suck

What's so wierd is he was drafted as a SF but the knock was that his handle was weak that it would force him to be a severely undersized PF and then years later hes apparently skilled enough to ha dle the point. Go figure.