KP is looking much more strong and healthy

[DaGawd]

I'm a Knicks fan and for the record I don't persay hate KP.. I hate that his dopehead brother has so much influence over him and seems to give KP a false sense of entitlement which in turn lead to his dismissal (of course a long with the fact that he was coming off a major injury and due for an extension). I resent the way it ended here

His brother? if the richest and one of the most impactful organizations in the league cannot handle a guy who was a below-par basketball player himself and with little to no experience as an agent, that's on FO and the ownership. Since the trade to Dallas, his brother has been mute and invisible. Perhaps, Dallas is doing something right?

He hasn't played a game for Dallas yet. If they don't do as well as he thinks they should he could easily start his BS again

[Johnny Firpo]

Why do these threads always turn into dumb back and forths, kp has bulked up, yes, kp is injury prone yes, he's a crappy rebounder. Yes, these are things everyone with eyes know so why the dumb back and forths?

Because Knicks fans want him to fail badly, and when they share that opinion, you kind of have the urge to reply. It is what it is, the vast majority of their fans hate the kid now.

FOH. We don’t wish bad on anyone.

Maybe you don't, lot of others do. Come on now.

[3toheadmelo]

Because Knicks fans want him to fail badly, and when they share that opinion, you kind of have the urge to reply. It is what it is, the vast majority of their fans hate the kid now.

FOH. We don’t wish bad on anyone.

Maybe you don't, lot of others do. Come on now.

Not true at all. We may not be fond of KP anymore but we aren’t rooting him to fail. That’s absurd.

[Sixerscan]

That's not true. He averaged 9.3 in his rookie season, PER36. Those are very far from terrible, they are above average numbers. He also had big rebounding games in his career. Let's not pretend he is Bargs. He is an average rebounder, not terrible. There is a big difference.

That was good for 71st in the league among people that played at least 500 minutes. He may be above average if we're like comparing him to Kemba Walker or something but certainly not for a starting big man.

Even if he is average, or below average in this regard, that is still very far from being terrible.

You're the one using the word terrible. It's a major potential issue in his game, especially if the Mavs are relying on him to be their main rebounder and they expect to contend for the playoffs (Though I will say Carlisle's teams have always been good at outperforming their talents with regard to team rebounding).

If your only expectations are for him to be better than Bargnani, well you're probably right about that.

[gh123]

The problem is that his rebounding was getting worse every season, he just doesn't care about the game. Why would he, he got his max, can party for the rest of his life back in Latvia.

[Johnny Firpo]

That was good for 71st in the league among people that played at least 500 minutes. He may be above average if we're like comparing him to Kemba Walker or something but certainly not for a starting big man.

Even if he is average, or below average in this regard, that is still very far from being terrible.

You're the one using the word terrible. It's a major potential issue in his game, especially if the Mavs are relying on him to be their main rebounder and they expect to contend for the playoffs (Though I will say Carlisle's teams have always been good at outperforming their talents with regard to team rebounding).

If your only expectations are for him to be better than Bargnani, well you're probably right about that.

I have replied to a post that called him being terrible at it, and you replied to that post.

[Johnny Firpo]

The problem is that his rebounding was getting worse every season, he just doesn't care about the game. Why would he, he got his max, can party for the rest of his life back in Latvia.

I seriously question what kind of Mavs fan you are. You hated the Luka pick, we told you he was gonna be great. Now you are doing the same thing with KP. You did say that he is a lot stronger now, right? Don't you think that could help his rebounding?

[Johnny Firpo]

FOH. We don’t wish bad on anyone.

Maybe you don't, lot of others do. Come on now.

Not true at all. We may not be fond of KP anymore but we aren’t rooting him to fail. That’s absurd.

Horsecrap, but let's agree to disagree then, I guess.

[gh123]

The problem is that his rebounding was getting worse every season, he just doesn't care about the game. Why would he, he got his max, can party for the rest of his life back in Latvia.

I seriously question what kind of Mavs fan you are. You hated the Luka pick, we told you he was gonna be great. Now you are doing the same thing with KP. You did say that he is a lot stronger now, right? Don't you think that could help his rebounding?

What? I wasn't even on the forum when the draft was happening last summer. I knew Luka is gonna be amazing right away, I've got lots of Euroleague friends, so I knew about Luka more than any NBA scout.
And I didn't say KP was a lot stronger now. You're confusing me with someone. But yeah, I'm extremely down on KP and everyone should be. Ridiculous medical history + all the off court red flags, 18+7 player. And all that on a 5-year max contract.

[Johnny Firpo]

The problem is that his rebounding was getting worse every season, he just doesn't care about the game. Why would he, he got his max, can party for the rest of his life back in Latvia.

I seriously question what kind of Mavs fan you are. You hated the Luka pick, we told you he was gonna be great. Now you are doing the same thing with KP. You did say that he is a lot stronger now, right? Don't you think that could help his rebounding?

What? I wasn't even on the forum when the draft was happening last summer. I knew Luka is gonna be amazing right away, I've got lots of Euroleague friends, so I knew about Luka more than any NBA scout.
And I didn't say KP was a lot stronger now. You're confusing me with someone. But yeah, I'm extremely down on KP and everyone should be. Ridiculous medical history + all the off court red flags, 18+7 player. And all that on a 5-year max contract.

Sorry, in this case I probably did confuse you with another Mavs van with a similar name. KP is a risk, but there is an extremely high reward here, you gotta see that as well. He had injury problems in his left kinetic chain, and they supposedly fixed all that. His core and legs are much stronger, and he put in an amazing amount of work into his body, and he actually skipped an insane amount of time to work on his body, almost two years!

There was an article a couple days ago in which two doctors suggested that both KD and Klay should sit out two years. They based this opinion on a study they conducted. All in all, I am much more optimistic about KP's chances to stay healthy from now on. It may or may not happen... As far as his off court things go, I think it's pretty much a consensus by now that the allegations were nonsense, and the bar fight was a "being in a bad place at a bad time" thing.

[gh123]

I seriously question what kind of Mavs fan you are. You hated the Luka pick, we told you he was gonna be great. Now you are doing the same thing with KP. You did say that he is a lot stronger now, right? Don't you think that could help his rebounding?

What? I wasn't even on the forum when the draft was happening last summer. I knew Luka is gonna be amazing right away, I've got lots of Euroleague friends, so I knew about Luka more than any NBA scout.
And I didn't say KP was a lot stronger now. You're confusing me with someone. But yeah, I'm extremely down on KP and everyone should be. Ridiculous medical history + all the off court red flags, 18+7 player. And all that on a 5-year max contract.

Sorry, in this case I probably did confuse you with another Mavs van with a similar name. KP is a risk, but there is an extremely high reward here, you gotta see that as well. He had injury problems in his left kinetic chain, and they supposedly fixed all that. His core and legs are much stronger, and he put in an amazing amount of work into his body, and he actually skipped an insane amount of time to work on his body, almost two years!

There was an article a couple days ago in which two doctors suggested that both KD and Klay should sit out two years. They based this opinion on a study they conducted. All in all, I am much more optimistic about KP's chances to stay healthy from now on. It may or may not happen... As far as his off court things go, I think it's pretty much a consensus by now that the allegations were nonsense, and the bar fight was a "being in a bad place at a bad time" thing.

I really don't see high reward though. He's a 18+7 player with very good rim protection, that's it, that's not a max player or 2nd star. Sure he could improve, but I don't think he will, he's not 20 anymore, he is what he is.

And in regards to his off-court stuff, you know how it is, bad things don't just happen randomly. You never heard or read about Dirk or Duncan or Nash getting into trouble, that's coz they don't go looking for one. I only remember when Dirk got robbed by his crazy ex and Duncan getting scammed by his ginancial adviser. KP clearly likes to party and that sometimes ends in trouble. He could get into a fight and break a finger\wrist and sit out another 6 weeks while looting his 35mil. His brother is his agents (literally never anything good happens when a family member is your agent) and confirmed crazy. And yeah, he got chronic anemia, so he is all gassed half a season in. Can't rely on that kind of player for a deep PO run.

[Johnny Firpo]

I really don't see high reward though. He's a 18+7 player with very good rim protection, that's it, that's not a max player or 2nd star. Sure he could improve, but I don't think he will, he's not 20 anymore, he is what he is.

The last time he played, he was 22, and he was averaging almost 23 points. What is this 18 number? Career average? Why would that be relevant? It's ridiculous to suggest that a 22-year-old 7'3 big (he was 22 the last time he played) is the player he ever was going to be. Come on, man, that's silliness. He wasn't close to his max potential, which most experts are extremely high on.

[Pachinko_]

I really don't see high reward though. He's a 18+7 player with very good rim protection, that's it, that's not a max player or 2nd star. Sure he could improve, but I don't think he will, he's not 20 anymore, he is what he is.

Hang on, I think you're looking at his career stats. In 2017/18 before he got hurt he averaged 22.7 points, 6.6 rebounds and 2.4 blocks in 48 games. That's more blocks than Embiid. And he was also an excellent floor spacer shooting 40% from three. That is definitely max player stats.

[gh123]

I really don't see high reward though. He's a 18+7 player with very good rim protection, that's it, that's not a max player or 2nd star. Sure he could improve, but I don't think he will, he's not 20 anymore, he is what he is.

Hang on, I think you're looking at his career stats. In 2017/18 before he got hurt he averaged 22.7 points, 6.6 rebounds and 2.4 blocks in 48 games. That's more blocks than Embiid. And he was also an excellent spacer shooting 40% in 5 threes per game. That definitely is a max player.

You're right, I was looking at his career. He did average 22.7, FG% was bad though, 43,9 for a big is not good, just as 6,6 rebs.
We'll see how he recovers and if he manages to get those numbers again.

[Pachinko_]

You're right, I was looking at his career. He did average 22.7, FG% was bad though, 43,9 for a big is not good, just as 6,6 rebs.
We'll see how he recovers and if he manages to get those numbers again.

He doesn't really attack as a big, he's a shooter, that's why his FG is low. If you compare his FG against someone like Khris Middleton or Tobias Harris he's about on par. That's a good thing honestly, bigs who attack mostly in the basket tend to be taken out of the game in the POs.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I couldn't possibly care less what his PER 36 rebounding numbers were as a rookie, especially since he had 2 following seasons of 7.9 and 7.3 PER 36 rebounding. Why you would go back to his rookie year to try and support your point is just dishonest, he's closer to Bargnani as a rebounder than the other elite rim protectors who can rebound. Also, you have never even see him play in your teams jersey, at least wait until then before you try and tell me anything about his game.

I have watched probably all of his career games

You're lying, I highly doubt you were watching Knick games

[Johnny Firpo]

You're lying, I highly doubt you were watching Knick games

I have actually been watching the Knicks going back to early Gallo days. Huge fan of European players. I have watched at least 90% of Gallo's games, and I honestly think I have watched all of KP's games. I wouldn't say I am a Knicks fan, but you guys are always on my LP selection. Even next year I am going to be watching a lot of your games because of Frank and Iggy. That is if they play, hopefully they will.

[MrOrange]

The problem is that his rebounding was getting worse every season, he just doesn't care about the game. Why would he, he got his max, can party for the rest of his life back in Latvia.

I seriously question what kind of Mavs fan you are. You hated the Luka pick, we told you he was gonna be great. Now you are doing the same thing with KP. You did say that he is a lot stronger now, right? Don't you think that could help his rebounding?

What? I wasn't even on the forum when the draft was happening last summer. I knew Luka is gonna be amazing right away, I've got lots of Euroleague friends, so I knew about Luka more than any NBA scout.
And I didn't say KP was a lot stronger now. You're confusing me with someone. But yeah, I'm extremely down on KP and everyone should be. Ridiculous medical history + all the off court red flags, 18+7 player. And all that on a 5-year max contract.

Apart from the ACL, which is a legit concern, what other events in his "ridiculous medical history" can you actually name"? Anaemia is a thing solved by nutrition/vitamins, so that does not count.

[frothbrain]

You're lying, I highly doubt you were watching Knick games

I have actually been watching the Knicks going back to early Gallo days. Huge fan of European players. I have watched at least 90% of Gallo's games, and I honestly think I have watched all of KP's games. I wouldn't say I am a Knicks fan, but you guys are always on my LP selection. Even next year I am going to be watching a lot of your games because of Frank and Iggy. That is if they play, hopefully they will.

Can vouch for this. He has posted on the Knicks board numerous times.

[nedleeds]

Swapping KP out for Dennis Smith Jr. is just about the most Knicksian thing the Knicks have ever done.

So you gonna ignore the 2 1st round picks with one unprotected that has potential to be a lottery pick

Mavs aren't sniffing the lottery if Luka and KP are healthy. It was an awful trade, I don't understand why Knicks fans want to die on Mt. Mills. You can be a fan but acknowledge our clown car front office.