KC Mailbag "Dunn looks great in workouts"... Thinks he will start

[GimmeDat]

Could it just be organizationally-led fluff to help with trade value by any chance?

Mayberry is saying the same thing -

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[Repeat 3-peat]

Man if Dunn has a "Butler like" breakout season...Would be incredible to see.


But I'll believe it when I see it.

[Chi town]

Could it just be organizationally-led fluff to help with trade value by any chance?

Mayberry is saying the same thing -

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Can you post a couple quotes?

[GimmeDat]

Could it just be organizationally-led fluff to help with trade value by any chance?

Mayberry is saying the same thing -

Read on Twitter

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Can you post a couple quotes?

I can't see it because I don't have The Athletic, just going by the tweet unfortunately.

[Hold That]

Even if Dunn plays extremely well, that just means he'll need a huge contract like Terry Rozier. It can be a negative for his asset value.

If Dunn starts I'll have to assume it's because he's outplaying the competition. Crazier things have happened to Bulls players in contract years.

How does Dunn who has no trade value at all right now, has even less trade value if he looks better because he’s gonna want to be compensated?

Regardless his trade value is so much in the dumps him playing well can not worsen it when it’s already at the bottom. If he’s Terry Rozier then I hope he plays well enough to get a late first rounder. Something Ainge passed up on when offered for Rozier

[drosereturn]

Could it just be organizationally-led fluff to help with trade value by any chance?

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Sure he probably bullied the rookie Coby in training session who looked helpless vulnerable in the SL.
Seems to me hes trying to take advantage of the rook to feel entitled he is the starter when neither deserves the starting spot.
If he outplays Sato, then I will take their word.

[nomorezorro]

Can you post a couple quotes?

the extent of it is literally "I’m hearing Dunn’s been killing it throughout the team’s unofficial minicamp and shining in pickup games."

[drosereturn]

But what I strongly disagree is that Sato deserves some sort of entitlement starting role despite not proving anything in a Bulls jersey and he didn’t come in as a star or a budding potential star. He came in as a decent role player who is productive. If he being outplayed in training camp by the current starting PG or former whatever you want to call Dunn, then how does this equate to it being a waste of time for Sato? Shouldn’t he be already in form playing in the qualifiers? This sounds like you want Dunn to fail more than you want that light bulb to go off in his head.

Kris’s Dunn has all the tools to be a good player in this league and PGs take time. Some take 5 years for it to clique. If Dunn is looking THAT much better than everyone else that KC even had to mention it, then maybe you should take a pause from the hate because truthfully you’re not at the practice to witness. Let’s wait until the pre season and evaluate before you write off someone taking a leap. Sorry to break it too you but the leap isn’t that big either to look better than Sato.

The above paragraphs doesnt make any sense when Dunn as the one who got entitlement starting role and failed miserably for last 2 yrs. Sato doesnt have to prove anything and his role is not to score 30 pts or avg a triple double to be recognized as a star.
Why should Dunn start when there is a 99% chance this will be another failed season?
I dont buy Dunn outplaying Sato in minicamp when he was dominant in the WC including against Team USA that had Kemba.
Sato already started numerous times for a much superior team before they crumbled into pieces and lost him and Otto.
Opening an audition is wasting time for everyone. If your gonna do that, make Lavine, Markkanen earn it as well.

[MrFortune3]

It would be nice if thing finally clicked for Dunn and he has a great season. It would push the Bulls into being a much better team. Plus it helps Sato and White via competition.

[Dez]

But what I strongly disagree is that Sato deserves some sort of entitlement starting role despite not proving anything in a Bulls jersey and he didn’t come in as a star or a budding potential star. He came in as a decent role player who is productive. If he being outplayed in training camp by the current starting PG or former whatever you want to call Dunn, then how does this equate to it being a waste of time for Sato? Shouldn’t he be already in form playing in the qualifiers? This sounds like you want Dunn to fail more than you want that light bulb to go off in his head.

Kris’s Dunn has all the tools to be a good player in this league and PGs take time. Some take 5 years for it to clique. If Dunn is looking THAT much better than everyone else that KC even had to mention it, then maybe you should take a pause from the hate because truthfully you’re not at the practice to witness. Let’s wait until the pre season and evaluate before you write off someone taking a leap. Sorry to break it too you but the leap isn’t that big either to look better than Sato.

The above paragraphs doesnt make any sense when Dunn as the one who got entitlement starting role and failed miserably for last 2 yrs. Sato doesnt have to prove anything and his role is not to score 30 pts or avg a triple double to be recognized as a star.
Why should Dunn start when there is a 99% chance this will be another failed season?
I dont buy Dunn outplaying Sato in minicamp when he was dominant in the WC including against Team USA that had Kemba.
Sato already started numerous times for a much superior team before they crumbled into pieces and lost him and Otto.
Opening an audition is wasting time for everyone. If your gonna do that, make Lavine, Markkanen earn it as well.

You're taking way too much from the World Cup, like has been stated repeatedly FIBA ball is a vastly different game than the NBA.

How is players competing for spots wasting time? I cannot understand any of your thinking, none of it makes sense.

[vvgotgame19]

There was always a good chance Dunn bounces back INO. I mean he has decent talent and physical tools, it's just obvious he hadn't committed himself to being the best he can be. Contract years drastically increase the chances of guys doing that.

[sco]

Killing it in workouts could mean that he is ball hogging and taking midrange j's and cheating on defense. I tend to doubt it means setting his teammates up for good shots and playing sound team defense.

[Dez]

Killing it in workouts could mean that he is ball hogging and taking midrange j's and cheating on defense. I tend to doubt it means setting his teammates up for good shots and playing sound team defense.

Dude seriously? That is just an absurd way to look to think.

[sco]

Killing it in workouts could mean that he is ball hogging and taking midrange j's and cheating on defense. I tend to doubt it means setting his teammates up for good shots and playing sound team defense.

Dude seriously? That is just an absurd way to look to think.

Maybe

[rtblues]

It's funny how when it suits the narrative some people want to discount FIBA and any achievements made there, but when it suits another narrative, it's perfectly fine to cite FIBA.

1. A player was killing it in FIBA and is dismissed as, "Meh, it's just FIBA."
2. The entire USA Team publicly demonized for not winning it all in FIBA.

It's either "MEH it's only FIBA", or it's, "Wow, the USA could only finish 7th in FIBA"
But you can't have at both ways.

FIBA proved tougher than many imagined, if you don't believe that, ask the USA players.
However, in spite of what we all saw with our own eyes, any and all accomplishments at FIBA are dismissed.

So, how does that work exactly?

[drosereturn]

It's funny how when it suits the narrative some people want to discount FIBA and any achievements made there, but when it suits another narrative, it's perfectly fine to cite FIBA.

1. A player was killing it in FIBA and is dismissed as, "Meh, it's just FIBA."
2. The entire USA Team publicly demonized for not winning it all in FIBA.

It's either "MEH it's only FIBA", or it's, "Wow, the USA could only finish 7th in FIBA"
But you can't have at both ways.

FIBA proved tougher than many imagined, if you don't believe that, ask the USA players.
However, in spite of what we all saw with our own eyes, any and all accomplishments at FIBA are dismissed.

So, how does that work exactly?

I mean FIBA isnt perfect way to measure since theres a lot of crap players producing god stats.
But using training camp as the only method to determine the starters is flat out ridiculous.
Jimmy leading the 3rd stringers against KAT and winning doesnt mean 3rd stringers get to start over KAT and other starters.
I am taking the guy with impressive FIBA stats over a player merely outplaying someone in train camp if neither are not established.

[Hold That]

But what I strongly disagree is that Sato deserves some sort of entitlement starting role despite not proving anything in a Bulls jersey and he didn’t come in as a star or a budding potential star. He came in as a decent role player who is productive. If he being outplayed in training camp by the current starting PG or former whatever you want to call Dunn, then how does this equate to it being a waste of time for Sato? Shouldn’t he be already in form playing in the qualifiers? This sounds like you want Dunn to fail more than you want that light bulb to go off in his head.

Kris’s Dunn has all the tools to be a good player in this league and PGs take time. Some take 5 years for it to clique. If Dunn is looking THAT much better than everyone else that KC even had to mention it, then maybe you should take a pause from the hate because truthfully you’re not at the practice to witness. Let’s wait until the pre season and evaluate before you write off someone taking a leap. Sorry to break it too you but the leap isn’t that big either to look better than Sato.

The above paragraphs doesnt make any sense when Dunn as the one who got entitlement starting role and failed miserably for last 2 yrs. Sato doesnt have to prove anything and his role is not to score 30 pts or avg a triple double to be recognized as a star.
Why should Dunn start when there is a 99% chance this will be another failed season?
I dont buy Dunn outplaying Sato in minicamp when he was dominant in the WC including against Team USA that had Kemba.
Sato already started numerous times for a much superior team before they crumbled into pieces and lost him and Otto.
Opening an audition is wasting time for everyone. If your gonna do that, make Lavine, Markkanen earn it as well.

The Wizards are or were a vastly superior team than the Bulls before the Otto trade? This is news to me. The wizards were nothing short of awful and Sato did absolutely nothing to change that. I take nothing from Sato looking good from a depleted team USA backcourt that had Kemba and Kemba only. And Kemba isnt known for his defense either.

Sato isn’t a star and never said he was or would have to be. Nor was he in a Kris’s Dunn situation being a top 5 lottery pick so yes there will be some entitlement minutes giving considering where he was drafted and it won’t be anything different than Coby White.

Sato however shouldn’t be the Bulls starter unless he’s killing them in minicamp. We just drafted Coby, we have another pick in Dunn that was top 10 lottery, and were not doing anything major this upcoming season.

It’s simple to me, Coby White development and trying to increase Kris Dunn trade value is more important than starting Sato. Who will never be a starting PG on a championship caliber team anyway. So why are we so hard pressed for him to start without him playing a single game for us.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Kris Dunn still has supporters?

Insert Beavis and Butthead laugh.

[Jimako10]

But what I strongly disagree is that Sato deserves some sort of entitlement starting role despite not proving anything in a Bulls jersey and he didn’t come in as a star or a budding potential star. He came in as a decent role player who is productive. If he being outplayed in training camp by the current starting PG or former whatever you want to call Dunn, then how does this equate to it being a waste of time for Sato? Shouldn’t he be already in form playing in the qualifiers? This sounds like you want Dunn to fail more than you want that light bulb to go off in his head.

Kris’s Dunn has all the tools to be a good player in this league and PGs take time. Some take 5 years for it to clique. If Dunn is looking THAT much better than everyone else that KC even had to mention it, then maybe you should take a pause from the hate because truthfully you’re not at the practice to witness. Let’s wait until the pre season and evaluate before you write off someone taking a leap. Sorry to break it too you but the leap isn’t that big either to look better than Sato.

The above paragraphs doesnt make any sense when Dunn as the one who got entitlement starting role and failed miserably for last 2 yrs. Sato doesnt have to prove anything and his role is not to score 30 pts or avg a triple double to be recognized as a star.
Why should Dunn start when there is a 99% chance this will be another failed season?
I dont buy Dunn outplaying Sato in minicamp when he was dominant in the WC including against Team USA that had Kemba.
Sato already started numerous times for a much superior team before they crumbled into pieces and lost him and Otto.
Opening an audition is wasting time for everyone. If your gonna do that, make Lavine, Markkanen earn it as well.

It’s simple to me, Coby White development and trying to increase Kris Dunn trade value is more important than starting Sato. Who will never be a starting PG on a championship caliber team anyway. So why are we so hard pressed for him to start without him playing a single game for us.

You don't want to sacrifice games early in the season to increase Dunn's trade value or get White more minutes because I have to think that the goal is to make the playoffs with the moves they made in the off season. Every game counts the same and the bulls are currently favored to be a team just outside the playoffs. So every game, starting with the first one, will matter for this team.

Theoretically, Sato is a much better fit with the starting lineup than Dunn or Coby. Dunn is practically useless without the ball in his hands, and even when he does have the ball, he doesn't have the vision and IQ to consistently make the right plays. I think the bulls would be better off increasing Dunn's value by having him come off the bench and play against opposing reserves where he'd have the most usage, that way you get the best of both worlds. Dunn is (hopefully) increasing his trade value playing against reserves while being the focal point, and the bulls are not sacrificing wins by pigeonholing him into the starting lineup. Coby is just too young to just throw out there and expect he'd be a positive in the starting lineup. Let him start out off the bench to gain experience and hopefully earn his way onto the starting lineup by the time Sato's contract is up.

[coldfish]

Kris Dunn still has supporters?

Insert Beavis and Butthead laugh.

I seriously don't get it. The Bulls have 3 PG's on the roster that were better than last year's Dunn. Dunn really doesn't have a modern NBA PG skill set, fits horribly with Lavine and is soon to be a free agent. He would have to fantastically outplay everyone else for the Bulls to even consider giving him playing time and as of last year, he was not capable of that.

Last year's Dunn would be something like the 9th best player on this roster (Thad, Sato, Wendell, Lauri, Lavine, Otto, Arci and maybe Coby). I'm a Bulls fan and if he turns into a great player, that's good for the team but if I got to root for someone, its going to be someone other than Dunn.