Steph Top 10 All Time - According to Bleacher report

SpreeS · Post #121 » by **SpreeS** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:29 am

My TOP20 was like stone for long time

KAJ, O’Neal, Malone, Wilt, Rob, Hakeem, Russell
Barkley, Malone, Dirk, Duncan, KG
Bird, LJB, DrJ
MJ, Kobe, West, Oscar, Magic

Its time to put Curry and KD in my TOP20. I know clearly what Barkley will likely be the first who would leave this list. Next one would be between Moses and D-Rob. I prefer to stay with Rob. Curry and KD with adding 5 elite/AllStar years would end into 10-15 range on my list.

azwfan · Post #122 » by **azwfan** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:04 am

I think 10 is high for Curry at this point in time. I don't think its out of the question by time his career is over but he's not there yet. If he retired today, maybe somewhere between 15 and 20.

Triple7 · Post #123 » by **Triple7** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:30 am

LKN wrote:
freethedevil wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:idk i think its weird to have a defensive liability who shrinks in big moments in the top ten, but I can see the logic in why he's there although I dont even think he's higher than durant.

Wanna explain how the team of the defensive liability has always improved when he's on the court?

I think Steph is very similar on defense to Larry Bird. Not a lock down/elite defender, but he's smart, plays good team defense and is underrated by people who ignore positioning and such.

This is just stupid and dumb! Larry Bird is a 3x defensive team member. If that’s not elite, then i don’t know what is. Curry is just an average defender at best. He’s just lucky he played with elite defenders in Draymond, Klay and Iggy. Let’s see how he does playing with DLo :lol:

Lalouie · Post #124 » by **Lalouie** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:54 am

zimpy27 wrote:What's the gap between Kawhi and Curry?

MVP: +2 Curry
Finals MVP: +2 Kawhi
DPOY: +2 Kawhi
Championships: +1 Curry
All-NBA: +3 Curry
All-Defense: +5 Kawhi
All-Star: +3 Curry

Seems pretty even, given Kawhi's setup, could he pass him next season? Or the one after?

scoring matters

pr0wler · Post #125 » by **pr0wler** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:34 am

I think Curry will average 30+ PPG this season on elite efficiency and people will realize really how transcendent he is on offense.

WarriorGM · Post #126 » by **WarriorGM** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:35 am

pr0wler wrote:I think Curry will average 30+ PPG this season on elite efficiency and people will realize really how transcendent he is on offense.

You mean they didn't realize that after 2016?

Paddy Brosso · Post #127 » by **Paddy Brosso** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:42 am

Steph Curry top-10 in the history of this game? Not yet. Maybe when all is said and done, but right now... No way!!! I got Jordan, KAJ, LeBron, Wilt, Duncan, Magic, Bird, Russell, Shaq, Kobe, Olajuwon, Oscar, West, Moses, Karl Malone above him (and maybe KD too). So he is in the 15ish range.
Having said that, I have to admit that if he wins a couple of Rings and/or MVP's and keeps on playing and scoring the way he does, it is likely that he will make it.

Metallikid · Post #128 » by **Metallikid** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:13 pm

People should legitimately stop considering Steph a point guard. The guy typically averages well below 7 assists and has played the role of a combo guard basically his entire career. If you pigeonhole Steph as a point guard I think he honestly isn't that impressive because his defense and playmaking, two traditional point guard attributes, aren't that great to be honest.

But if you look at Steph predominantly as a shooting guard, like I do, then he immediately becomes the 3rd, or 4th greatest SG of all time behind Wade/West and above Drexler.

Regardless he has no place near the top 10 and he still won't when his career is over, I reckon.

Consider that Moses Malone has 3 MVPs, a Finals MVP, was the greatest offensive rebounder of all time, and most people still don't have him in the top 10.

WarriorGM · Post #129 » by **WarriorGM** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:17 pm

Paddy Brosso wrote:Steph Curry top-10 in the history of this game? Not yet. Maybe when all is said and done, but right now... No way!!! I got Jordan, KAJ, LeBron, Wilt, Duncan, Magic, Bird, Russell, Shaq, Kobe, Olajuwon, Oscar, West, Moses, Karl Malone above him (and maybe KD too). So he is in the 15ish range.
Having said that, I have to admit that if he wins a couple of Rings and/or MVP's and keeps on playing and scoring the way he does, it is likely that he will make it.

Just a reminder that Curry has 3 rings and 2 other finals appearances. He has 2 MVPs.

Oscar has 1 ring and 1 MVP.
West has 1 ring and 8 other finals appearances and 1 FMVP.
Moses has 1 ring, 1 FMVP and 1 other finals appearance. He has 3 MVPs.
Karl has 3 finals appearances. He has 2 MVPs.
Olajuwon has 2 rings, 2 FMVPs, and 1 other finals appearance. He has 1 MVP.
Kobe has 5 rings, 2 FMVPs, and 2 other finals appearances. He has 1 MVP.

Metallikid wrote:People should legitimately stop considering Steph a point guard. The guy typically averages well below 7 assists and has played the role of a combo guard basically his entire career. If you pigeonhole Steph as a point guard I think he honestly isn't that impressive because his defense and playmaking, two traditional point guard attributes, aren't that great to be honest.

But if you look at Steph predominantly as a shooting guard, like I do, then he immediately becomes the 3rd, or 4th greatest SG of all time behind Wade/West and above Drexler.

Regardless he has no place near the top 10 and he still won't when his career is over, I reckon.

Consider that Moses Malone has 3 MVPs, a Finals MVP, was the greatest offensive rebounder of all time, and most people still don't have him in the top 10.

One can argue Curry's playmaking is the best of all-time. Others may have a better reputation when it comes to passing even though Curry's is very good but how many can claim to be in the same league when it comes to his gravity? Your attempt to pigeonhole Curry into traditional position assignments just highlights that Curry is revolutionary.

Wade is a tier or two below.

Curry is the greatest shooter of all-time. He has more championships than Moses and other finals appearances. If Moses is your gatekeeper comparison, Curry should already be in the Top 10.

Fat · Post #130 » by **Fat** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:18 pm

Metallikid · Post #131 » by **Metallikid** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:43 pm

WarriorGM wrote:
Paddy Brosso wrote:Steph Curry top-10 in the history of this game? Not yet. Maybe when all is said and done, but right now... No way!!! I got Jordan, KAJ, LeBron, Wilt, Duncan, Magic, Bird, Russell, Shaq, Kobe, Olajuwon, Oscar, West, Moses, Karl Malone above him (and maybe KD too). So he is in the 15ish range.
Having said that, I have to admit that if he wins a couple of Rings and/or MVP's and keeps on playing and scoring the way he does, it is likely that he will make it.

Just a reminder that Curry has 3 rings and 2 other finals appearances. He has 2 MVPs.

Oscar has 1 ring and 1 MVP.
West has 1 ring and 8 other finals appearances and 1 FMVP.
Moses has 1 ring, 1 FMVP and 1 other finals appearance. He has 3 MVPs.
Karl has 3 finals appearances. He has 2 MVPs.
Olajuwon has 2 rings, 2 FMVPs, and 1 other finals appearance. He has 1 MVP.
Kobe has 5 rings, 2 FMVPs, and 2 other finals appearances. He has 1 MVP.

Metallikid wrote:People should legitimately stop considering Steph a point guard. The guy typically averages well below 7 assists and has played the role of a combo guard basically his entire career. If you pigeonhole Steph as a point guard I think he honestly isn't that impressive because his defense and playmaking, two traditional point guard attributes, aren't that great to be honest.

But if you look at Steph predominantly as a shooting guard, like I do, then he immediately becomes the 3rd, or 4th greatest SG of all time behind Wade/West and above Drexler.

Regardless he has no place near the top 10 and he still won't when his career is over, I reckon.

Consider that Moses Malone has 3 MVPs, a Finals MVP, was the greatest offensive rebounder of all time, and most people still don't have him in the top 10.

One can argue Curry's playmaking is the best of all-time. Others may have a better reputation when it comes to passing even though Curry's is very good but how many can claim to be in the same league when it comes to his gravity? Your attempt to pigeonhole Curry into traditional position assignments just highlights that Curry is revolutionary.

Wade is a tier or two below.

Curry's is the greatest shooter of all-time and is already knocking on the door of the Top 10 if not past it.

Most people don't have the number of rings being the determinant of how good a player is for all time purposes or Bill Russell would always be #1. Steph isn't even remotely close to being the best passer of all time and it's laughable that you said that. And he's not some revolutionary player - the league was already trending towards more three pointers, Steph is just the standard bearer of a change that began well before him.

Go make a Wade vs Curry poll and I think very quickly you will realize that Wade is not "a tier or two below" Stephen Curry.

Moses Malone was the greatest offensive rebounder of all time, I would consider that just as important as being the best three point shooter of all time. My point is that very few have Moses in their top 10 and I don't think Curry has surpassed even him.

The greatest shooter of all time is Larry Bird.

WarriorGM · Post #132 » by **WarriorGM** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:56 pm

Metallikid wrote:Moses Malone was the greatest offensive rebounder of all time, I would consider that just as important as being the best three point shooter of all time. My point is that very few have Moses in their top 10 and I don't think Curry has surpassed even him.

Name me all the ways you think Moses was better and I'll come up with my list for Curry.

LKN · Post #133 » by **LKN** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:04 pm

Triple7 wrote:
LKN wrote:
freethedevil wrote:Wanna explain how the team of the defensive liability has always improved when he's on the court?

I think Steph is very similar on defense to Larry Bird. Not a lock down/elite defender, but he's smart, plays good team defense and is underrated by people who ignore positioning and such.

This is just stupid and dumb! Larry Bird is a 3x defensive team member. If that’s not elite, then i don’t know what is. Curry is just an average defender at best. He’s just lucky he played with elite defenders in Draymond, Klay and Iggy. Let’s see how he does playing with DLo

Fair point - I'm probably underrating Bird who did have a lot of length

SpreeChokeJob · Post #134 » by **SpreeChokeJob** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:07 pm

In some ways Curry is underrated. I almost wish Durant did not come to the Warriors. All it did was elevate Durant on the all time list but kept Curry from moving up higher in his prime. Now he is slowing down but Klay before the injury was poised to become a greater superstar. If the warriors got a 3 and D player along with a solid bench I think they could have done as well as with Durant. Hopefully they can hold down the fort until Klay comes back. If they get out of the first round I consider this year to be a success and should move Curry up on the all time list considering the team is nothing but youngsters

70sFan · Post #135 » by **70sFan** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:10 pm

WarriorGM wrote:
Metallikid wrote:Moses Malone was the greatest offensive rebounder of all time, I would consider that just as important as being the best three point shooter of all time. My point is that very few have Moses in their top 10 and I don't think Curry has surpassed even him.

Name me all the ways you think Moses was better and I'll come up with my list for Curry.

I'm not sure who peaked higher between them, but Moses has a lot of advantages over Curry.

WarriorGM · Post #136 » by **WarriorGM** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:11 pm

70sFan wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
Metallikid wrote:Moses Malone was the greatest offensive rebounder of all time, I would consider that just as important as being the best three point shooter of all time. My point is that very few have Moses in their top 10 and I don't think Curry has surpassed even him.

Name me all the ways you think Moses was better and I'll come up with my list for Curry.

I'm not sure who peaked higher between them, but Moses has a lot of advantages over Curry.

Name them.

dhsilv2 · Post #137 » by **dhsilv2** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:17 pm

Metallikid wrote:Most people don't have the number of rings being the determinant of how good a player is for all time purposes or Bill Russell would always be #1. Steph isn't even remotely close to being the best passer of all time and it's laughable that you said that. And he's not some revolutionary player - the league was already trending towards more three pointers, Steph is just the standard bearer of a change that began well before him.

Go make a Wade vs Curry poll and I think very quickly you will realize that Wade is not "a tier or two below" Stephen Curry.

Moses Malone was the greatest offensive rebounder of all time, I would consider that just as important as being the best three point shooter of all time. My point is that very few have Moses in their top 10 and I don't think Curry has surpassed even him.

The greatest shooter of all time is Larry Bird.

I swear people make so many claims without doing any research. 3 point shooting was plateauing and the league seemed to have found an equilibrium in terms of the percentage of 3 point attempts to field goal attempts. And then Curry blew up and suddenly the league turned into to a 3 point shooting arms race.

More importantly however was that Curry launched a trend towards pull up 3's off the dribble (heavily in transition). That was something you might see from a Ray Allen from time to time, but once again Curry weaponized it and others have copied. This has drastically changed how transition defense is played league wide.

dhsilv2 · Post #138 » by **dhsilv2** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:24 pm

Triple7 wrote:
LKN wrote:
freethedevil wrote:Wanna explain how the team of the defensive liability has always improved when he's on the court?

I think Steph is very similar on defense to Larry Bird. Not a lock down/elite defender, but he's smart, plays good team defense and is underrated by people who ignore positioning and such.

This is just stupid and dumb! Larry Bird is a 3x defensive team member. If that’s not elite, then i don’t know what is. Curry is just an average defender at best. He’s just lucky he played with elite defenders in Draymond, Klay and Iggy. Let’s see how he does playing with DLo

Do you REALLY think Bird deserved ANY of those all defensive selections? Same with Klay? I personally think Bird due to rebounding was a better defender than Curry but the gap isn't remotely close to as large as the implied "elite" defense from Bird would be. Bird was at best an above average defender who like curry made at time some great reads off ball.

70sFan · Post #139 » by **70sFan** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:28 pm

WarriorGM wrote:
70sFan wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
Name me all the ways you think Moses was better and I'll come up with my list for Curry.

I'm not sure who peaked higher between them, but Moses has a lot of advantages over Curry.

Name them.

Moses was far better defensive player. His rebounding ability was extremely impactful skill (his teams were always among the best rebounding teams in the league). He was much more dominant inside pressence and his offensive rebounding wrapped defenses in a way Curry's three point shooting does. Moses also drew fouls at extreme level and (unlike Shaq or Wilt) he made FTs at very high efficiency.

Not to mention that he was extremely portable and could be thrown into any team and succeed because he wasn't ball dominant player - that's something you praise Curry so much for.

Again, I'm not sure who would I take in terms of peak but Moses was three time MVP that led one of the best teams of all-time. Sounds similar to Curry, right?

scrabbarista · Post #140 » by **scrabbarista** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:29 pm

PaulLee wrote:
scrabbarista wrote:
PaulLee wrote:Agree or Disagree?

Steph is by far my favourite player this past decade, and i hope one day he'll deserve this spot, but I personally have him sitting around 15-20 range at the moment.

If you agree - then why?
If you dont agree - then what do you feel Steph needs to accomplish to reach top ten all time?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2854727-bleacher-reports-all-time-player-rankings-nbas-top-50-revealed#slide42

I got him 12th right now. I use a formula, so I can't say exactly what he needs to do - there are different paths he could take - but I think he's got a decent chance of getting there. (Even jumping one spot can sometimes take a lot once you get that high on the list.) I'd probably put it between 40% and 50%. I think his odds of getting to 11th (where I have Kobe) are probably more like 80% to 90%. I'm factoring in the possibility of injury in these numbers.

I have a formula as well (still tweaking), but mine has Steph sitting at 22. Interested to see your top 25 all time from your formula.

CP, Havlicek, Pettit, Moses, Robinson, West, KD, Oscar, Karl, D-Wade, KG, Erving, Dirk, Curry, Kobe, Bird, Hakeem, Wilt, Russell, Magic, Shaq, Duncan, LeBron, Kareem, MJ. Yours?