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Re: CA Governer signs CA-SB206 - LOL at the NCAA 

Post#61 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:08 pm

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The question is if they are relevant to CFB and CBB nationally, and the answer to that is probably none.

USC Football, Stanford Football, UCLA Basketball and maybe UCLA and CAL Football are the only college sports in California that really matter to the NCAA and Conferences. I'd bet those first 4 programs bring in like 75% of the money for NCAA sports in California, and probably a similar amount to the PAC12.

Is the NCAA going to care if they lose out on USC Men's Volleyball? Eh, probably not.


Losing one of the largest TV markets in the world is a major deal. It's not just about the program's value in and of themselves but not having a single foot hold into the local tv markets without a local team.


I mean it is, but LA isn't really a big college sports town unless USC is doing well, they're far-far less meaningful to the NCAA than they are to the NBA or NFL. Not like the whole city will stop watching if there are no California teams in big games, I mean there really hasn't been in the last decade and the viewership for CFB and CBB has been fine.


LA metro is huge, about 13 million people. That still leaves about 27 million people who live outside of LA metro. Or in short without LA, california is still the 2nd largest state by population and by a large margin for that matter. Keep in mind more than half the states have a population under 5 million, the gap between Florida the 3rd largest state and California WITHOUT LA metro.
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Post#62 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:09 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:This bill itself, I don't see how anyone can be against it, hell I don't get how the NCAA can be against it since it's not even them being the ones paying the players. California is way too big of a market for the NCAA to lose. And you know damn well more states will be following with their own versions of this as well.

I haven't actually heard an argument against it, but perhaps they might be concerned about the competitive balance after this becomes the norm. Students could be drawn to schools with bigger marketing opportunities rather than the schools or programs themselves. Some schools just would not be able to compete if students were allowed to make money even if the schools themselves were not directly paying the athletes. You know the major sports apparel companies like Nike or Reebok would have preferences for where the top players are.

I don't care about competitive balance though. I think it's BS that student athletes can't make money on their own. They pay the coaches millions of dollars directly, but students are banned from having compensation in any form. What a bunch of baloney.


Yeah - long term it could hurt schools in “small markets”. Cause in the event of a free for all w/ unlimited endorsements, agents will push their clients to places that can offer the biggest deals.

And what is interesting is here is a big market state (one that coincidentally hasn’t been excelling in college athletics in proportion to its market size in recent years) leading the way. Hmmm.

How is somewhere like Syracuse or Purdue going to compete w/ UCLA when it comes to endorsement deals?


Then it hurts those schools. So the players cant make money off their likeness because some schools in smaller markets may get hurt? Also who cares if the a school like Syracuse is no longer a power house program and USC becomes a power house in basketball? Im a die hard fan of Duke, its not like Durham is a major TV market. If Duke starts losing prospects to California schools, then so be it, get better at marketing your players then.

I just don't see the argument of well now Syracuse wont be a power house basketball school but USC maybe will, therefore this isn't fair.
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MrCheerios wrote:I haven't actually heard an argument against it, but perhaps they might be concerned about the competitive balance after this becomes the norm. Students could be drawn to schools with bigger marketing opportunities rather than the schools or programs themselves. Some schools just would not be able to compete if students were allowed to make money even if the schools themselves were not directly paying the athletes. You know the major sports apparel companies like Nike or Reebok would have preferences for where the top players are.

I don't care about competitive balance though. I think it's BS that student athletes can't make money on their own. They pay the coaches millions of dollars directly, but students are banned from having compensation in any form. What a bunch of baloney.


Yeah - long term it could hurt schools in “small markets”. Cause in the event of a free for all w/ unlimited endorsements, agents will push their clients to places that can offer the biggest deals.

And what is interesting is here is a big market state (one that coincidentally hasn’t been excelling in college athletics in proportion to its market size in recent years) leading the way. Hmmm.

How is somewhere like Syracuse or Purdue going to compete w/ UCLA when it comes to endorsement deals?


Then it hurts those schools. So the players cant make money off their likeness because some schools in smaller markets may get hurt? Also who cares if the a school like Syracuse is no longer a power house program and USC becomes a power house in basketball? Im a die hard fan of Duke, its not like Durham is a major TV market. If Duke starts losing prospects to California schools, then so be it, get better at marketing your players then.

I just don't see the argument of well now Syracuse wont be a power house basketball school but USC maybe will, therefore this isn't fair.


Why should sports be fair? They aren't now...
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Re: CA Governer signs CA-SB206 - LOL at the NCAA 

Post#64 » by Patches Perry » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:16 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:I'm not going to get into the California politics talk because that is opening up a whole can of worms that doesn't belong on this board.

This bill itself, I don't see how anyone can be against it, hell I don't get how the NCAA can be against it since it's not even them being the ones paying the players. California is way too big of a market for the NCAA to lose. And you know damn well more states will be following with their own versions of this as well.

The NCAA can either change and adapt, or they can die a slow death. I know california schools aren't killing it right now in football, but you can bet that once USC and UCLA can add being able to make money off your likeness to their recruiting pitches. Get ready for super stacked classes to those schools.


100% agree. I typically go into CA bills with the expectation of thinking it will be BS, but to allow players to profit from their own likeness is a no-brainer. The NY bill in the legislature currently is not as good, as it mandates pay I believe, and that's a whole different can of worms. Hopefully more states mimic the CA model.

The question will be if they have the legal authority and/or weight to knock the NCAA off their current restrictions. If a few more states get involved, the NCAA will be cornered.
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Re: CA Governer signs CA-SB206 - LOL at the NCAA 

Post#65 » by NBAFan93 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:20 pm

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MrCheerios wrote:I haven't actually heard an argument against it, but perhaps they might be concerned about the competitive balance after this becomes the norm. Students could be drawn to schools with bigger marketing opportunities rather than the schools or programs themselves. Some schools just would not be able to compete if students were allowed to make money even if the schools themselves were not directly paying the athletes. You know the major sports apparel companies like Nike or Reebok would have preferences for where the top players are.

I don't care about competitive balance though. I think it's BS that student athletes can't make money on their own. They pay the coaches millions of dollars directly, but students are banned from having compensation in any form. What a bunch of baloney.


Yeah - long term it could hurt schools in “small markets”. Cause in the event of a free for all w/ unlimited endorsements, agents will push their clients to places that can offer the biggest deals.

And what is interesting is here is a big market state (one that coincidentally hasn’t been excelling in college athletics in proportion to its market size in recent years) leading the way. Hmmm.

How is somewhere like Syracuse or Purdue going to compete w/ UCLA when it comes to endorsement deals?


Then it hurts those schools. So the players cant make money off their likeness because some schools in smaller markets may get hurt? Also who cares if the a school like Syracuse is no longer a power house program and USC becomes a power house in basketball? Im a die hard fan of Duke, its not like Durham is a major TV market. If Duke starts losing prospects to California schools, then so be it, get better at marketing your players then.

I just don't see the argument of well now Syracuse wont be a power house basketball school but USC maybe will, therefore this isn't fair.


Syracuse, Duke and Purdue will care. So will Kentucky, Kansas, Louisville, OU, etc. Honestly this could really end up being a huge battle. People will get passionate about it too.
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Post#66 » by TheDoors24 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:21 pm

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The High Cyde wrote:My state doesn't get stuff right most of the time, but this is a great step for student athletes.


Not sure what you mean but California leads on so many issues that the federal government is trying to remove their right to do so.

Totally agree with this.

But on topic i'm really happy that the NCAA is going to have to finally take this issue seriously. I see a lot of other states following this.
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Post#67 » by TheDoors24 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:26 pm

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The question is if they are relevant to CFB and CBB nationally, and the answer to that is probably none.

USC Football, Stanford Football, UCLA Basketball and maybe UCLA and CAL Football are the only college sports in California that really matter to the NCAA and Conferences. I'd bet those first 4 programs bring in like 75% of the money for NCAA sports in California, and probably a similar amount to the PAC12.

Is the NCAA going to care if they lose out on USC Men's Volleyball? Eh, probably not.


Losing one of the largest TV markets in the world is a major deal. It's not just about the program's value in and of themselves but not having a single foot hold into the local tv markets without a local team.


I mean it is, but LA isn't really a big college sports town unless USC is doing well, they're far-far less meaningful to the NCAA than they are to the NBA or NFL. Not like the whole city will stop watching if there are no California teams in big games, I mean there really hasn't been in the last decade and the viewership for CFB and CBB has been fine.



I take it you don't know LA if you said this. LA is a big college sports town. As big as say ohio? probably not since LA has a billion more things to do but i can always tell people that don't know LA by making these statements.

Tons of people follow college and don't even follow the pros.
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Post#68 » by MrCheerios » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:34 pm

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Yeah - long term it could hurt schools in “small markets”. Cause in the event of a free for all w/ unlimited endorsements, agents will push their clients to places that can offer the biggest deals.

And what is interesting is here is a big market state (one that coincidentally hasn’t been excelling in college athletics in proportion to its market size in recent years) leading the way. Hmmm.

How is somewhere like Syracuse or Purdue going to compete w/ UCLA when it comes to endorsement deals?


Then it hurts those schools. So the players cant make money off their likeness because some schools in smaller markets may get hurt? Also who cares if the a school like Syracuse is no longer a power house program and USC becomes a power house in basketball? Im a die hard fan of Duke, its not like Durham is a major TV market. If Duke starts losing prospects to California schools, then so be it, get better at marketing your players then.

I just don't see the argument of well now Syracuse wont be a power house basketball school but USC maybe will, therefore this isn't fair.


Why should sports be fair? They aren't now...

You can't favor fairness in sports so far in favor of the NCAA at the expense of the student athletes. Some schools have an inherent recruiting advantage even without marketing dollars taken into account. What's the solution there? Only allow students to play at certain schools so that the games are more balanced? "Sorry Duke, you get too many good players. We're going to assign some top recruits to Colgate."

How far are you willing to restrict student athletes to make college sports fun? There are no such restrictions on coaches, athletic directors, or budgets for facilities and other perks. But letting student athletes be compensated in any way would destroy the NCAA apparently.
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Post#69 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:47 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
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Yeah - long term it could hurt schools in “small markets”. Cause in the event of a free for all w/ unlimited endorsements, agents will push their clients to places that can offer the biggest deals.

And what is interesting is here is a big market state (one that coincidentally hasn’t been excelling in college athletics in proportion to its market size in recent years) leading the way. Hmmm.

How is somewhere like Syracuse or Purdue going to compete w/ UCLA when it comes to endorsement deals?


Then it hurts those schools. So the players cant make money off their likeness because some schools in smaller markets may get hurt? Also who cares if the a school like Syracuse is no longer a power house program and USC becomes a power house in basketball? Im a die hard fan of Duke, its not like Durham is a major TV market. If Duke starts losing prospects to California schools, then so be it, get better at marketing your players then.

I just don't see the argument of well now Syracuse wont be a power house basketball school but USC maybe will, therefore this isn't fair.


Why should sports be fair? They aren't now...


I mean if its not a balanced competitive ground now, why prevent players from making money on their likeness then?

I feel like the argument your making is,

Syracuse, Purdue, Villanova, Michigan, Auburn and other schools like them have a competitive advantage over non power house schools and the players don't get to make money off their likeness.

vs

Cal, San Jose St, Fresno St, USC, UCLA will then have a competitive advantage over non power house schools, but the players get to make money off their likeness

No matter what there is going to be a competitive imbalance. Why should the likes of Syracuse and Purdue be the beneficiaries of the imbalance and the players not be able to make money? Vs those California schools being the beneficiaries of the imbalance, but the players are able to make money.

There is going to be imbalance no matter what, just one option the players don't get to make money off their likeness and the other option they do. Even if there is a massive shift and UCLA and USC becomes these two behemoths. How is that any different than now? With UK and Duke in basketball being #1 and #2 in recruiting every single freaking year.
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Post#70 » by dorkestra » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:51 pm

This makes me so happy. It's about time.
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Post#71 » by cornchip » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:01 pm

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But, these have been the relevant questions for decades now. Athletics should have a direct part in the mission of the school and should be responsibly funded (yes, at a loss, but almost surely less so than today) if they are to be justified at all. Continue to have sports if and only if it supports the school's mission and the betterment of the student-athletes. This will not generate revenue, and you'll struggle mightily to compete with schools that can afford not only the best coaches and facilities but now also the best athletes, but that's the present situation for all but a handful of schools anyway. Those select few schools that can print money because their alumni/region love their football or basketball team can go right ahead and do so. Let's save the other institutions (and, usually, the state governments funding them in large part) from chasing dollars and glory they'll never attain by removing that last sliver of hope that they too can be Penn State or Alabama.

Perhaps the funneling of money into just the most marketable of schools will even increase the size of that pond, the market bearing a few more institutions to join the ranks of the elite. Take Oregon, which has been mentioned here multiple times. For all its forays into the big business of elite college sport, it is not a revenue-positive athletic department. It and a few others like it may actually fare better with further concentration of the top athletes and dollars -- as the have-nots are forced to quit flailing at relevance, we'll see some more winners and a lot fewer losers.

My thoughts are scattered here, but what I see ultimately shaking out is a retreat from the business of heavily marketed athletics for most schools, and perhaps even a hard bifurcation between those schools that can persist in it and those that do not, along the lines of the current NCAA divisions. It may be messy but I see all of this as a win for students, student-athletes, schools, and sport.


All of what you said could very well bear out. But the conundrum here is that 85 or 15 or 25 scholarships are still 85, 15, or 25 scholarships. And if schools decide to cut ties with athletics, that's still less young people that attend these universities for (relatively) free. Even worse, that's less young people that attend these universities that would not have had the chance to attend if not for athletics.

I'm certainly no fan of the NCAA and its practices but an argument it beats you over the head with is that some form "x number of athletes will get college degrees". And it's a compelling one. There have been studies to suggest that a few number of professionals can have an outsized impact on communities. I don't think lessening the number of these opportunities helps. The irony of this is that it may hurt the potential student-athletes it was designed to help.

To your point about some elites rising, that's a very valid one. But someone has to take the losses. Under you scenario...yes Oregon might rise. But how will even a well-run athletic department like Clemson ever compete with a UNC? They may just give it up...sure. But more likely, they will try to compete by upgrading facilities, benefits, etc. to unprecedented levels. This could lead to higher tuition at a time where tuition is already out of control or worse, with no oversight, them cutting other sports.

And it gets worse from the "elites". If a San Jose State had a big booster or a massive corporate sponsor and UTEP had nothing of the sort and is struggling to get by (I'm just throwing these schools out there), is UTEP going to field a football team that has no attendance revenue because no one wants to see their team get stomped out. Is that necessarily fair that a college team's value is based off how rich its constituents are? Are fans who are not financially well expected to indirectly pay athletes too in order to field a competitive team? Is that good for communities?
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Post#72 » by TheDiesel36 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:12 pm

Im happy that it has passed, as I citizen of a former "Soviet" republic, I appreciate freedom.
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Post#73 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:14 pm

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Then it hurts those schools. So the players cant make money off their likeness because some schools in smaller markets may get hurt? Also who cares if the a school like Syracuse is no longer a power house program and USC becomes a power house in basketball? Im a die hard fan of Duke, its not like Durham is a major TV market. If Duke starts losing prospects to California schools, then so be it, get better at marketing your players then.

I just don't see the argument of well now Syracuse wont be a power house basketball school but USC maybe will, therefore this isn't fair.


Why should sports be fair? They aren't now...


I mean if its not a balanced competitive ground now, why prevent players from making money on their likeness then?

I feel like the argument your making is,

Syracuse, Purdue, Villanova, Michigan, Auburn and other schools like them have a competitive advantage over non power house schools and the players don't get to make money off their likeness.

vs

Cal, San Jose St, Fresno St, USC, UCLA will then have a competitive advantage over non power house schools, but the players get to make money off their likeness

No matter what there is going to be a competitive imbalance. Why should the likes of Syracuse and Purdue be the beneficiaries of the imbalance and the players not be able to make money? Vs those California schools being the beneficiaries of the imbalance, but the players are able to make money.

There is going to be imbalance no matter what, just one option the players don't get to make money off their likeness and the other option they do. Even if there is a massive shift and UCLA and USC becomes these two behemoths. How is that any different than now? With UK and Duke in basketball being #1 and #2 in recruiting every single freaking year.


We're in agreement :)

It was more a statement to the absurdity of those implying there was a fair playing field now.
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Post#74 » by MrCheerios » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:26 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:
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Yeah - long term it could hurt schools in “small markets”. Cause in the event of a free for all w/ unlimited endorsements, agents will push their clients to places that can offer the biggest deals.

And what is interesting is here is a big market state (one that coincidentally hasn’t been excelling in college athletics in proportion to its market size in recent years) leading the way. Hmmm.

How is somewhere like Syracuse or Purdue going to compete w/ UCLA when it comes to endorsement deals?


Then it hurts those schools. So the players cant make money off their likeness because some schools in smaller markets may get hurt? Also who cares if the a school like Syracuse is no longer a power house program and USC becomes a power house in basketball? Im a die hard fan of Duke, its not like Durham is a major TV market. If Duke starts losing prospects to California schools, then so be it, get better at marketing your players then.

I just don't see the argument of well now Syracuse wont be a power house basketball school but USC maybe will, therefore this isn't fair.


Syracuse, Duke and Purdue will care. So will Kentucky, Kansas, Louisville, OU, etc. Honestly this could really end up being a huge battle. People will get passionate about it too.

I wonder if these people would still passionately feel that way if their kid was a star athlete at Syracuse, Duke, or Purdue. They'd still be totally against their kids getting any kind of monetary compensation, I'm sure.
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Post#75 » by RCM88x » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:28 pm

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Losing one of the largest TV markets in the world is a major deal. It's not just about the program's value in and of themselves but not having a single foot hold into the local tv markets without a local team.


I mean it is, but LA isn't really a big college sports town unless USC is doing well, they're far-far less meaningful to the NCAA than they are to the NBA or NFL. Not like the whole city will stop watching if there are no California teams in big games, I mean there really hasn't been in the last decade and the viewership for CFB and CBB has been fine.


LA metro is huge, about 13 million people. That still leaves about 27 million people who live outside of LA metro. Or in short without LA, california is still the 2nd largest state by population and by a large margin for that matter. Keep in mind more than half the states have a population under 5 million, the gap between Florida the 3rd largest state and California WITHOUT LA metro.


I know the population distribution. I'm just saying that it doesn't really matter as much to college sports as it does to professional sports.

The most viewed teams every single year are Notre Dame, Ohio State, Alabama, and Texas. None of those schools are anywhere close to California.

Heck USC might not even be in the top 10 or 15.
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Post#76 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:39 pm

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I mean it is, but LA isn't really a big college sports town unless USC is doing well, they're far-far less meaningful to the NCAA than they are to the NBA or NFL. Not like the whole city will stop watching if there are no California teams in big games, I mean there really hasn't been in the last decade and the viewership for CFB and CBB has been fine.


LA metro is huge, about 13 million people. That still leaves about 27 million people who live outside of LA metro. Or in short without LA, california is still the 2nd largest state by population and by a large margin for that matter. Keep in mind more than half the states have a population under 5 million, the gap between Florida the 3rd largest state and California WITHOUT LA metro.


I know the population distribution. I'm just saying that it doesn't really matter as much to college sports as it does to professional sports.

The most viewed teams every single year are Notre Dame, Ohio State, Alabama, and Texas. None of those schools are anywhere close to California.

Heck USC might not even be in the top 10 or 15.


There's a reason the SEC was so hog wild to get Texas A&M added to the conference. It added MAJOR value in TV rights. It's why they also went after Mizzou. Do you think either of those are top 20 in TV viewership?

The TV rights battles are HUGE! You're also comically under valuing even a school like Freshno. That's worth millions to the NCAA's system. Sure that's not a lot of money but when you start adding up the schools, it's massive. California might not be worth more than Florida, Ohio, or Texas. It's still worth a massive amount of money.
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Post#77 » by RCM88x » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:43 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
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LA metro is huge, about 13 million people. That still leaves about 27 million people who live outside of LA metro. Or in short without LA, california is still the 2nd largest state by population and by a large margin for that matter. Keep in mind more than half the states have a population under 5 million, the gap between Florida the 3rd largest state and California WITHOUT LA metro.


I know the population distribution. I'm just saying that it doesn't really matter as much to college sports as it does to professional sports.

The most viewed teams every single year are Notre Dame, Ohio State, Alabama, and Texas. None of those schools are anywhere close to California.

Heck USC might not even be in the top 10 or 15.


There's a reason the SEC was so hog wild to get Texas A&M added to the conference. It added MAJOR value in TV rights. It's why they also went after Mizzou. Do you think either of those are top 20 in TV viewership?

The TV rights battles are HUGE! You're also comically under valuing even a school like Freshno. That's worth millions to the NCAA's system. Sure that's not a lot of money but when you start adding up the schools, it's massive. California might not be worth more than Florida, Ohio, or Texas. It's still worth a massive amount of money.


Well sure its still worth a lot, but it's not a critical amount. Like, if California is the only state to pass this sort of law (which probably won't be the case), I don't think the NCAA will suddenly fold due to the pressure. It's going to take a lot of other big CFB and CBB states doing this to really have an impact. So Texas, Ohio, Florida, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Illinois...
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Post#78 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:46 pm

RCM88x wrote:
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I know the population distribution. I'm just saying that it doesn't really matter as much to college sports as it does to professional sports.

The most viewed teams every single year are Notre Dame, Ohio State, Alabama, and Texas. None of those schools are anywhere close to California.

Heck USC might not even be in the top 10 or 15.


There's a reason the SEC was so hog wild to get Texas A&M added to the conference. It added MAJOR value in TV rights. It's why they also went after Mizzou. Do you think either of those are top 20 in TV viewership?

The TV rights battles are HUGE! You're also comically under valuing even a school like Freshno. That's worth millions to the NCAA's system. Sure that's not a lot of money but when you start adding up the schools, it's massive. California might not be worth more than Florida, Ohio, or Texas. It's still worth a massive amount of money.


Well sure its still worth a lot, but it's not a critical amount. Like, if California is the only state to pass this sort of law (which probably won't be the case), I don't think the NCAA will suddenly fold due to the pressure. It's going to take a lot of other big CFB and CBB states doing this to really have an impact. So Texas, Ohio, Florida, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Illinois...


It would be pretty huge man. It would be a VERY meaningful difference. It would also allow California to start their own college league. Given the advantages, they could very easily get the top recruits to go there. Even with less fan fair, they'd easily be able to support this league.
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Re: CA Governer signs CA-SB206 - LOL at the NCAA 

Post#79 » by RCM88x » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:49 pm

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There's a reason the SEC was so hog wild to get Texas A&M added to the conference. It added MAJOR value in TV rights. It's why they also went after Mizzou. Do you think either of those are top 20 in TV viewership?

The TV rights battles are HUGE! You're also comically under valuing even a school like Freshno. That's worth millions to the NCAA's system. Sure that's not a lot of money but when you start adding up the schools, it's massive. California might not be worth more than Florida, Ohio, or Texas. It's still worth a massive amount of money.


Well sure its still worth a lot, but it's not a critical amount. Like, if California is the only state to pass this sort of law (which probably won't be the case), I don't think the NCAA will suddenly fold due to the pressure. It's going to take a lot of other big CFB and CBB states doing this to really have an impact. So Texas, Ohio, Florida, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Illinois...


I would be pretty huge man. It would be a VERY meaningful difference. It would also allow California to start their own college league. Given the advantages, they could very easily get the top recruits to go there. Even with less fan fair, they'd easily be able to support this league.


Eh, I'm not sure, startup sports leagues have almost all failed in the US during the last 40 years. It's an extremely difficult proposition.

Football and Basketball might survive somehow, but all the non-money/spectator sports would be screwed, ultimately hurting the athletes who have nothing or very little to gain by something like this.
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Re: CA Governer signs CA-SB206 - LOL at the NCAA 

Post#80 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:58 pm

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Well sure its still worth a lot, but it's not a critical amount. Like, if California is the only state to pass this sort of law (which probably won't be the case), I don't think the NCAA will suddenly fold due to the pressure. It's going to take a lot of other big CFB and CBB states doing this to really have an impact. So Texas, Ohio, Florida, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Illinois...


I would be pretty huge man. It would be a VERY meaningful difference. It would also allow California to start their own college league. Given the advantages, they could very easily get the top recruits to go there. Even with less fan fair, they'd easily be able to support this league.


Eh, I'm not sure, startup sports leagues have almost all failed in the US during the last 40 years. It's an extremely difficult proposition.

Football and Basketball might survive somehow, but all the non-money/spectator sports would be screwed, ultimately hurting the athletes who have nothing or very little to gain by something like this.


Women's sports certainly could benefit from this. Imagine the instagram game some of the women who have gone viral without any profit for themselves could have had! Think Allison Stokke (could have made millions).

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