Knicks camp/preseason thread - Link in OP

3toheadmelo · Post #241 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:28 pm

Post #242 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:28 pm

NYKat wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
he said that last year too. kevin knox still started a ton and was pretty much one of the worst players in the nba.

DIfference is we had lance Thomas/Kadeem Allen and other bums on the roster. You don’t think he is going to prefer playing Payton and Morris down the stretch because he trusts them?

Watch Payton/Ellington/Morris/randle continuously finishing games

That unit, with Mitch, is my prediction for starting 5

NYKat · Post #243 » by **NYKat** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:31 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:Camp and preseason games will help determine who starts and who doesn't. I wish we had less vets...but....apparently the team thinks the vets will help push the players to become better. They didn't sign anyone that threatening. I can't argue the logic. I just wished this was a more youth oriented approach this year...or...BOTH of the last 2 years.

DSJ(21)/Frank(21)
Trier(22)/Dotson(25)/RJ(19)
Knox(20)/Iggy(20)
Randle(25)
Mitch(21)/Portis(24)

I would prefer that group as the rotation. Morris(30) will start. Payton(24) will play. Taj(34) will mentor and most likely play some minutes. There's no need for Ellington(32)/Bullock(28) to even be here. Time will tell how this plays out. You can't please everyone.

Ellington/Bullock both shot I higher percentage from 3 than ANYONE on last years rosters... and having said that we still don’t have ONE player on the roster that shoots 40% from 3

Sark · Post #244 » by **Sark** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:38 pm

HEZI wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
HEZI wrote:
Doton

Also Knox can be used as a floor spacer. There are options and different lineups he can go to. Everybody just assumes he's going with the vets but he never said he's doing that. He's likely going to use a mix and it all depends on matchups and so on

I just don’t think he’s a very good coach

There really aren't very good coaches out there. Most of the guys in the league look better or worse because of their talent or lack of it. I think he's fine for our young group, they all rave about him, so for now he's fine.

There's actually a lot of good coaches out there, but instead of hiring someone on coaching ability, we hired someone for their relationship factor. The Coach of The Year, Mike Budenholzer said the Knicks was his dream job. But we didn't want that. We wanted someone that's better at luring free agents, and Fizdale has a solid network because he's friends with Lebron.

Jalen Bluntson · Post #245 » by **Jalen Bluntson** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:40 pm

NYKat wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:Camp and preseason games will help determine who starts and who doesn't. I wish we had less vets...but....apparently the team thinks the vets will help push the players to become better. They didn't sign anyone that threatening. I can't argue the logic. I just wished this was a more youth oriented approach this year...or...BOTH of the last 2 years.

DSJ(21)/Frank(21)
Trier(22)/Dotson(25)/RJ(19)
Knox(20)/Iggy(20)
Randle(25)
Mitch(21)/Portis(24)

I would prefer that group as the rotation. Morris(30) will start. Payton(24) will play. Taj(34) will mentor and most likely play some minutes. There's no need for Ellington(32)/Bullock(28) to even be here. Time will tell how this plays out. You can't please everyone.

Ellington/Bullock both shot I higher percentage from 3 than ANYONE on last years rosters... and having said that we still don’t have ONE player on the roster that shoots 40% from 3

I get all of that. We are really in no rush to chase wins though. Let the kids develop their skills. Maybe we do get a 40% shooter it if the current group.

It's gonna be a frustrating year watching Fiz try to balance wins and development. The minutes crunch in our BC doesn't look promising. It bleeds over into the SF position. I would prefer to see more of the youth...but...it is what it is. If they develop and win...who am I to complain?

shtolky · Post #246 » by **shtolky** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:40 pm

NYKat wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:Camp and preseason games will help determine who starts and who doesn't. I wish we had less vets...but....apparently the team thinks the vets will help push the players to become better. They didn't sign anyone that threatening. I can't argue the logic. I just wished this was a more youth oriented approach this year...or...BOTH of the last 2 years.

DSJ(21)/Frank(21)
Trier(22)/Dotson(25)/RJ(19)
Knox(20)/Iggy(20)
Randle(25)
Mitch(21)/Portis(24)

I would prefer that group as the rotation. Morris(30) will start. Payton(24) will play. Taj(34) will mentor and most likely play some minutes. There's no need for Ellington(32)/Bullock(28) to even be here. Time will tell how this plays out. You can't please everyone.

Ellington/Bullock both shot I higher percentage from 3 than ANYONE on last years rosters... and having said that we still don’t have ONE player on the roster that shoots 40% from 3

It's not like there are tons of guys who shoot 40% from 3. Just 20 guys or so from last year shot 40% or better from 3. Obviously the team needs to improve its 3p shooting, but there is no reason why there can't be improvement if the players put in the work this offseason. The team was bad from 3 last year with just 34% as a team, but the 10th best team shot 35.6%. Definitely an area that needs improvement for sure. Hopefully Knox, RJ, DSJ can show what they've been working on all offseason.

Fat Kat · Post #247 » by **Fat Kat** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:52 pm

What’s with this muffagah asking about ice baths? WTF?

HEZI · Post #248 » by **HEZI** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:53 pm

Sark wrote:
HEZI wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:

I just don’t think he’s a very good coach

There really aren't very good coaches out there. Most of the guys in the league look better or worse because of their talent or lack of it. I think he's fine for our young group, they all rave about him, so for now he's fine.

There's actually a lot of good coaches out there, but instead of hiring someone on coaching ability, we hired someone for their relationship factor. The Coach of The Year, Mike Budenholzer said the Knicks was his dream job. But we didn't want that. We wanted someone that's better at luring free agents, and Fizdale has a solid network because he's friends with Lebron.

You are aware that Bud doesn't like young players, prefers veterans, it's why he had no interest in being part of a rebuilding Hawks team, went to the Bucks because he wanted to coach a vet team, right? Everybody says the Knicks are their dream job, ofcourse they do, because they get to live in NYC and Knicks are known for paying coaches good money :lol:

You know what would happen if we hired him? He would want half the roster sent to the GLeague, trades made for veterans, he would have never clicked with the front office and probably would have ended up being fired by now.

BBALLER4FR · Post #249 » by **BBALLER4FR** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:58 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:One thing I noticed from today is that all of our guys look like they're in great shape. So that's encouraging at least. Knox especially looks like he's on steroids. GOOD sign. Lol

melo4three · Post #250 » by **melo4three** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:02 pm

NYKat wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:Camp and preseason games will help determine who starts and who doesn't. I wish we had less vets...but....apparently the team thinks the vets will help push the players to become better. They didn't sign anyone that threatening. I can't argue the logic. I just wished this was a more youth oriented approach this year...or...BOTH of the last 2 years.

DSJ(21)/Frank(21)
Trier(22)/Dotson(25)/RJ(19)
Knox(20)/Iggy(20)
Randle(25)
Mitch(21)/Portis(24)

I would prefer that group as the rotation. Morris(30) will start. Payton(24) will play. Taj(34) will mentor and most likely play some minutes. There's no need for Ellington(32)/Bullock(28) to even be here. Time will tell how this plays out. You can't please everyone.

Ellington/Bullock both shot I higher percentage from 3 than ANYONE on last years rosters... and having said that we still don’t have ONE player on the roster that shoots 40% from 3

Wrong, Trier shot better than both of them.

Post #251 » by **GONYK** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:04 pm

Read on Twitter

3toheadmelo · Post #252 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:05 pm

BBALLER4FR wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:One thing I noticed from today is that all of our guys look like they're in great shape. So that's encouraging at least. Knox especially looks like he's on steroids. GOOD sign. Lol

thebuzzardman · Post #253 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:13 pm

stuporman wrote:What's the deal with these reporters ice bath fetish?

Reporter asking all the ice bath questions:

Triple C · Post #254 » by **Triple C** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:25 pm

Read on Twitter

melo4three · Post #255 » by **melo4three** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:34 pm

GONYK wrote:

Read on Twitter

except he is, who did they overpay? Maybe Taj, but this team needed a true vet that has been around the block.

DaGawd · Post #256 » by **DaGawd** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:36 pm

So Mitch was there..

Post #257 » by **GONYK** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:37 pm

melo4three wrote:
GONYK wrote:

Read on Twitter

except he is, who did they overpay? Maybe Taj, but this team needed a true vet that has been around the block.

Who did we overpay?

Taj
Ellington
Payton
Portis
Morris
Arguably Randle

Every one of them is making probably double their market value.

Post #258 » by **GONYK** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:38 pm

DaGawd wrote:So Mitch was there..

They were all there. They were pulling people out of pictures to come speak to the press.

melo4three · Post #259 » by **melo4three** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:42 pm

GONYK wrote:
melo4three wrote:
GONYK wrote:

Read on Twitter

except he is, who did they overpay? Maybe Taj, but this team needed a true vet that has been around the block.

Who did we overpay?

Taj
Ellington
Payton
Portis
Arguably Randle

gonna need some explanations? Especially Randle at 18m that sounds like a dam steal especially considering he is better than kp and tobias harris who got max contracts.

payton at 8m - corey joseph got 12m. Idk about you but I am taking Payton over joseph easy.

Knicksfan1992 · Post #260 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:57 pm

Triple C wrote:

Read on Twitter

Mitch is the greatest thing to happen to us in a long while :lol: