Knicks camp/preseason thread - Link in OP

[Jalen Bluntson]

First day. Press conference full of fluff. Nothing to get excited about right?

This board

i don't even bother listening. i mean, there's nothing to be learned. it's a photo op. that's it.

There's plenty to be learned. How do the new guys see their role here. What the FO vision/reasoning is. How the HC plans to go about things. What the young guys focused on this summer. Plenty to be learned.

[melo4three]

I was gagging while listening to these frauds talk about the offseason, sugarcoating their failures with this new rebuilding non-sense while the best draft pick we got in 25 years is playing in Dallas with nothing to show for it.

"I have reliable sources informing me that big free agents are coming".

dsj and 2 picks > overpaying kp to get injured all the time and be done by the all star game.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Agreed except that RJ will start.

I don't know who will start. RJ will have to earn his position. Fiz made that much clear. He's getting tougher treatment than Knox. I don't expect to see him start unless he shows out in camp and pre-season.

you're not there yet

I'm closer than you. I'm being a realist. RJ will have to play better than Trier/Dotson/Ellington in order to start.

[god shammgod]

First day. Press conference full of fluff. Nothing to get excited about right?

This board

i don't even bother listening. i mean, there's nothing to be learned. it's a photo op. that's it.

There's plenty to be learned. How do the new guys see their role here. What the FO vision/reasoning is. How the HC plans to go about things. What the young guys focused on this summer. Plenty to be learned.

like these guys are gonna give you the straight facts without dressing it up for public consumption. c'mon.

and fiz is an all-time bullsh*t artist. and i'm not saying it in a bad way, i admire it. lol. he will answer every f*cking question ever with whatever sounds like the right thing to say.

the young guys discussed over the summer what they were working on. and the new guys either don't know their role until the season begins OR they know their role, because they were guaranteed it when they signed, but won't tell the press that because they have to pretend they're earning it.

[Infinitimind]

I was gagging while listening to these frauds talk about the offseason, sugarcoating their failures with this new rebuilding non-sense while the best draft pick we got in 25 years is playing in Dallas with nothing to show for it.

"I have reliable sources informing me that big free agents are coming".

dsj and 2 picks > overpaying kp to get injured all the time and be done by the all star game.

If we going be fair it’s kp for smith jr and randel. We needed the cap space for randle. Plus I also think Bobby Portis could be a nice piece.

[god shammgod]

I don't know who will start. RJ will have to earn his position. Fiz made that much clear. He's getting tougher treatment than Knox. I don't expect to see him start unless he shows out in camp and pre-season.

you're not there yet

I'm closer than you. I'm being a realist. RJ will have to play better than Trier/Dotson/Ellington in order to start.

you can't have followed the nba for this long and not realize that there's politics to it. it's not all just merit based no matter what they say. there are favorites played based on contract, making the front office look good, future plans, etc. they have long term and short term goals and sometimes a decision has to be made for the long term that might hurt the short term.

some guys have been promised a starting role already. there's no doubt.

[Im Coming Home]

No Mitch either. I wonder who we are trading them for

The other guy in the pic with Crazy Eyes II



Especially with rumors that the Nets are trying to pair Beal with KD, Kyrie, Jordan and Lance Thomas by dealing Levert, Allen, Dinwiddie and a couple future 1st round picks.

Robinson, Ntilinkina, Smith, Bullock and 3 1st round picks.

What did I ever do to you for you to make this post?

For real, why did Moocow have to hurt all of us like this?

[Jalen Bluntson]

i don't even bother listening. i mean, there's nothing to be learned. it's a photo op. that's it.

There's plenty to be learned. How do the new guys see their role here. What the FO vision/reasoning is. How the HC plans to go about things. What the young guys focused on this summer. Plenty to be learned.

like these guys are gonna give you the straight facts without dressing it up for public consumption. c'mon.

and fiz is an all-time bullsh*t artist. and i'm not saying it in a bad way, i admire it. lol. he will answer every f*cking question ever with whatever sounds like the right thing to say.

the young guys discussed over the summer what they were working on. and the new guys either don't know their role until the season begins OR they know their role, because they were guaranteed it when they signed, but won't tell the press that because they have to pretend they're earning it.

We shall see. RJ isn't being handed a starting job unless he earns it. That's my take on things.

[RiseOfTheEmpire]

This year's pre-game anthem.

Watch on YouTube

Missed Porzingis today, man. Especially after seeing Barrett.

[RiseOfTheEmpire]

This year's pre-game anthem.

Watch on YouTube

Everything after :28 is dedicated to us.

[j4remi]

I guess you take the small victories where you can and the fact that nobody said anything wrong is about as good as it gets on media day. This was better than Kanter setting his sights on the allstar game at least. At least these guys are saying the "right" good things. Knox mentioned better shot selection, DSJ remade his jump shot, Morris is talking toughness, Payton talked about communicating with both DSJ and Frank plus Randle is gassing Mitch. Sometimes this franchise has a way of doing or saying things that feels ass backwards and today there wasn't any of that. It's actually been worse than this...significantly worse. So I'll take it.

[Thugger HBC]

RJ would probably have to tell coach he aint ready himself to not start. He'll earn it by virtue of not having much comp at the position by default, and because he's the teams highest pick since Ewing.

[god shammgod]

it's not just all about rj either. randle was guaranteed a starting spot i'm sure. i assume morris too because he had to take the hit that he reneged on a deal. payton might know he's starting already too for all we know. that might have been discussed to get him here, he's one of perry's guys. mitch is the only real center and the team publicizes him the most of all the young players from last year. the whole starting lineup might be known already.

zion & ja are gonna start. if you missed out on the big free agents and the kid you drafted 3rd is not even good enough to start you might as well start packing your bags.

[GONYK]

gonna need some explanations? Especially Randle at 18m that sounds like a dam steal especially considering he is better than kp and tobias harris who got max contracts.

payton at 8m - corey joseph got 12m. Idk about you but I am taking Payton over joseph easy.

Payton has never gotten a deal over $3M, now he's worth $8M coming off a shortened season with a broken jumper?
Ellington has been a minimum player most of his career and now he's getting $8M/yr
Taj is obvious
Portis hasn't been a full time starter his entire career, including here. Now he's worth $15M/yr?
Morris couldn't find anyone else in the NBA to pay him $15M/yr. That's why he initially signed with the Spurs for $10M.

Randle hasn't proven to be better than KP. He's a more efficient interior scorer and better ballhandler, especially in transition. KP is no slouch offensively and dwarfs Randle defensively. He's arguable because Knicks are banking on his potential, but I doubt he's getting $20M/yr from anyone else.

These guys might enjoy being Knicks, but they didn't come here just for pride. We overpaid them for their services.

Exactly. And that's why in my last post I didnt bash Randle but still bash the offseason. You're alittle harsher on Randle than I am but you sound reasonable. If the Knocks made that signing and were betting on his potential to break out, I'm sure you could forgive one single splurge right?

That's my big issue. The Knicks went out and signed all these expensive backups to a player who might be our only wise signing ( Randle). Its like give an inch, take a mile with Mills. Dude just cant help himself.

We couldve signed Randle (and truth is...given him alittle more tbh) and then signed all of our expiring deals and still not met the contracts of 2 of our incoming BACKUPS....BACKUPS.

Randle 22mil
Vonleh 4mil
Kornet 4mil
Herzonia 4mil

And truth is it wouldve created a roster that makes a hell of alot more sense, had a helluva lot less logjams and quite possibly improved yr over year with this crazy concept other teams employ called roster continuity and chemistry.

Smith/Frank
RJ/Trier/Dotson
Knox/Herzonia/Iggy
Randle/Vonleh
Robinson/Kornet

And a whole max contract worth of space to sell for some waivable bum who has draft picks in tow. Or.....or we coukdve used the space to sign a single player who at least is in the Randle tier of player (although I'm fine if we just trade the space for picks). Instead the Knicks rather spend the most money the leagues ever seen on redundant PFs. Again, I like the Randall signing. Mills ruined it by taking the mile.

I agree. I'm not even mad about the Randle signing or even the offseason in general. I don't think it was very creative and it creates more uncertainty than it alleviates, but it's not a huge deal.

I just think that his narrative that "all these guys are here because they wanted NY over everywhere else" is nonsense, since we had to overpay them to get here.

[thebuzzardman]

Payton has never gotten a deal over $3M, now he's worth $8M coming off a shortened season with a broken jumper?
Ellington has been a minimum player most of his career and now he's getting $8M/yr
Taj is obvious
Portis hasn't been a full time starter his entire career, including here. Now he's worth $15M/yr?
Morris couldn't find anyone else in the NBA to pay him $15M/yr. That's why he initially signed with the Spurs for $10M.

Randle hasn't proven to be better than KP. He's a more efficient interior scorer and better ballhandler, especially in transition. KP is no slouch offensively and dwarfs Randle defensively. He's arguable because Knicks are banking on his potential, but I doubt he's getting $20M/yr from anyone else.

These guys might enjoy being Knicks, but they didn't come here just for pride. We overpaid them for their services.

Exactly. And that's why in my last post I didnt bash Randle but still bash the offseason. You're alittle harsher on Randle than I am but you sound reasonable. If the Knocks made that signing and were betting on his potential to break out, I'm sure you could forgive one single splurge right?

That's my big issue. The Knicks went out and signed all these expensive backups to a player who might be our only wise signing ( Randle). Its like give an inch, take a mile with Mills. Dude just cant help himself.

We couldve signed Randle (and truth is...given him alittle more tbh) and then signed all of our expiring deals and still not met the contracts of 2 of our incoming BACKUPS....BACKUPS.

Randle 22mil
Vonleh 4mil
Kornet 4mil
Herzonia 4mil

And truth is it wouldve created a roster that makes a hell of alot more sense, had a helluva lot less logjams and quite possibly improved yr over year with this crazy concept other teams employ called roster continuity and chemistry.

Smith/Frank
RJ/Trier/Dotson
Knox/Herzonia/Iggy
Randle/Vonleh
Robinson/Kornet

And a whole max contract worth of space to sell for some waivable bum who has draft picks in tow. Or.....or we coukdve used the space to sign a single player who at least is in the Randle tier of player (although I'm fine if we just trade the space for picks). Instead the Knicks rather spend the most money the leagues ever seen on redundant PFs. Again, I like the Randall signing. Mills ruined it by taking the mile.

Wtf are the knicks going to do with 45mil in capspace? Nothing, you act like there are tons of teams looking to get off contracts but in reality there is probably 3-5 of those a year and they aren't offering anything great. Nobody cares about a pick in 2024. Knicks have plans to compete now, and what they did this offseason was the right move.
If somehow the knicks aren't in playoff contention ( they will be though) at the trade deadline they could move these contracts easily and achieve the same goals involved in trading capspace for picks.

Lets try to win, I am tired of tanking it's just not worth it.

Helloooo everyone. The Knicks overpaid, at least to some degree, and I don't think a small degree, so the players would take shorter contracts. Was there a chance they could have signed some of these guys for less and they got the same # of years? Not denying that. But what they got, by overpaying them by 25% in year one of a contract, was in almost all the cases, the ability to:

- Have the 2nd year be a team option.
- Have very little guaranteed money in the 2nd year. (I forget; two players have some guaranteed money in the 2nd year - a million each)

Randle's different. That was another pay partly on potential. That can be argued about. The good news? It was 2 years and 4 million guaranteed money in the 3rd year, but the 3rd year remains a team option.

[god shammgod]

Exactly. And that's why in my last post I didnt bash Randle but still bash the offseason. You're alittle harsher on Randle than I am but you sound reasonable. If the Knocks made that signing and were betting on his potential to break out, I'm sure you could forgive one single splurge right?

That's my big issue. The Knicks went out and signed all these expensive backups to a player who might be our only wise signing ( Randle). Its like give an inch, take a mile with Mills. Dude just cant help himself.

We couldve signed Randle (and truth is...given him alittle more tbh) and then signed all of our expiring deals and still not met the contracts of 2 of our incoming BACKUPS....BACKUPS.

Randle 22mil
Vonleh 4mil
Kornet 4mil
Herzonia 4mil

And truth is it wouldve created a roster that makes a hell of alot more sense, had a helluva lot less logjams and quite possibly improved yr over year with this crazy concept other teams employ called roster continuity and chemistry.

Smith/Frank
RJ/Trier/Dotson
Knox/Herzonia/Iggy
Randle/Vonleh
Robinson/Kornet

And a whole max contract worth of space to sell for some waivable bum who has draft picks in tow. Or.....or we coukdve used the space to sign a single player who at least is in the Randle tier of player (although I'm fine if we just trade the space for picks). Instead the Knicks rather spend the most money the leagues ever seen on redundant PFs. Again, I like the Randall signing. Mills ruined it by taking the mile.

Wtf are the knicks going to do with 45mil in capspace? Nothing, you act like there are tons of teams looking to get off contracts but in reality there is probably 3-5 of those a year and they aren't offering anything great. Nobody cares about a pick in 2024. Knicks have plans to compete now, and what they did this offseason was the right move.
If somehow the knicks aren't in playoff contention ( they will be though) at the trade deadline they could move these contracts easily and achieve the same goals involved in trading capspace for picks.

Lets try to win, I am tired of tanking it's just not worth it.

Helloooo everyone. The Knicks overpaid, at least to some degree, and I don't think a small degree, so the players would take shorter contracts. Was there a chance they could have signed some of these guys for less and they got the same # of years? Not denying that. But what they got, by overpaying them by 25% in year one of a contract, was in almost all the cases, the ability to:

- Have the 2nd year be a team option.
- Have very little guaranteed money in the 2nd year. (I forget; two players have some guaranteed money in the 2nd year - a million each)

Randle's different. That was another pay partly on potential. That can be argued about. The good news? It was 2 years and 4 million guaranteed money in the 3rd year, but the 3rd year remains a team option.

this is true. except randle everyone is on a 1 year deal. i think their 4 year price per year would be different.

[GONYK]

you're not there yet

I'm closer than you. I'm being a realist. RJ will have to play better than Trier/Dotson/Ellington in order to start.

you can't have followed the nba for this long and not realize that there's politics to it. it's not all just merit based no matter what they say. there are favorites played based on contract, making the front office look good, future plans, etc. they have long term and short term goals and sometimes a decision has to be made for the long term that might hurt the short term.

some guys have been promised a starting role already. there's no doubt.

I'm not sure you can take Fiz at face value when he told literally the same lie last media day.

Plus, we already know from Portis that Mitch is starting and we already know from Elfrid that he was promised playing time.

Why would the Knicks be clear with those 3 players, but no one else?

[Fat Kat]

DSJ
RJ
Morris
Randle
Mitch

Those are the starters. Now you know. Don’t get mad when it comes to fruition.

[Jalen Bluntson]

it's not just all about rj either. randle was guaranteed a starting spot i'm sure. i assume morris too because he had to take the hit that he reneged on a deal. payton might know he's starting already too for all we know. that might have been discussed to get him here, he's one of perry's guys. mitch is the only real center and the team publicizes him the most of all the young players from last year. the whole starting lineup might be known already.

zion & ja are gonna start. if you missed out on the big free agents and the kid you drafted 3rd is not even good enough to start you might as well start packing your bags.

Morris and Randle...there's no one better at their positions. They will obviously start. Mitch is the only other player I guarantee starts.

Our backcourt is over crowded. The best players will start.

[god shammgod]

DSJ
RJ
Morris
Randle
Mitch

Those are the starters. Now you know. Don’t get mad when it comes to fruition.

i think there's a small possibility of payton over dennis (if perry wants that or promised it) but yeah, that's it.