Knicks camp/preseason thread - Link in OP

[TheGreenArrow]

Agreed except that RJ will start.

I don't know who will start. RJ will have to earn his position. Fiz made that much clear. He's getting tougher treatment than Knox. I don't expect to see him start unless he shows out in camp and pre-season.

you're not there yet

[robillionaire]

How can you even possibly consider a 1 year deal or a one year deal with a team option an overpayment? We had to fill up the roster the extra money would do us absolutely no good now, and if it doesn’t work out it’s an expiring contract we have the cap space again next summer and we lost nothing of real value

[3toheadmelo]

Harden just tried his 1 legged fade away and bricked lol

[GONYK]

DSJ
RJ
Morris
Randle
Mitch

Those are the starters. Now you know. Don’t get mad when it comes to fruition.

Yup. It was preordained.

[robillionaire]

DSJ
RJ
Morris
Randle
Mitch

Those are the starters. Now you know. Don’t get mad when it comes to fruition.

Bench

Payton
Trier
Knox
Taj
Portis

End of bench
Ellington
Brazdeikis
Bullock

G league
Dotson
Frank
Kadeem

[melo4three]

Exactly. And that's why in my last post I didnt bash Randle but still bash the offseason. You're alittle harsher on Randle than I am but you sound reasonable. If the Knocks made that signing and were betting on his potential to break out, I'm sure you could forgive one single splurge right?

That's my big issue. The Knicks went out and signed all these expensive backups to a player who might be our only wise signing ( Randle). Its like give an inch, take a mile with Mills. Dude just cant help himself.

We couldve signed Randle (and truth is...given him alittle more tbh) and then signed all of our expiring deals and still not met the contracts of 2 of our incoming BACKUPS....BACKUPS.

Randle 22mil
Vonleh 4mil
Kornet 4mil
Herzonia 4mil

And truth is it wouldve created a roster that makes a hell of alot more sense, had a helluva lot less logjams and quite possibly improved yr over year with this crazy concept other teams employ called roster continuity and chemistry.

Smith/Frank
RJ/Trier/Dotson
Knox/Herzonia/Iggy
Randle/Vonleh
Robinson/Kornet

And a whole max contract worth of space to sell for some waivable bum who has draft picks in tow. Or.....or we coukdve used the space to sign a single player who at least is in the Randle tier of player (although I'm fine if we just trade the space for picks). Instead the Knicks rather spend the most money the leagues ever seen on redundant PFs. Again, I like the Randall signing. Mills ruined it by taking the mile.

Wtf are the knicks going to do with 45mil in capspace? Nothing, you act like there are tons of teams looking to get off contracts but in reality there is probably 3-5 of those a year and they aren't offering anything great. Nobody cares about a pick in 2024. Knicks have plans to compete now, and what they did this offseason was the right move.
If somehow the knicks aren't in playoff contention ( they will be though) at the trade deadline they could move these contracts easily and achieve the same goals involved in trading capspace for picks.

Lets try to win, I am tired of tanking it's just not worth it.

Helloooo everyone. The Knicks overpaid, at least to some degree, and I don't think a small degree, so the players would take shorter contracts. Was there a chance they could have signed some of these guys for less and they got the same # of years? Not denying that. But what they got, by overpaying them by 25% in year one of a contract, was in almost all the cases, the ability to:

- Have the 2nd year be a team option.
- Have very little guaranteed money in the 2nd year. (I forget; two players have some guaranteed money in the 2nd year - a million each)

Randle's different. That was another pay partly on potential. That can be argued about. The good news? It was 2 years and 4 million guaranteed money in the 3rd year, but the 3rd year remains a team option.

Stretch 4's/5's don't grow on trees, I wish they had given bobby 3 yrs/33m no team option

[thebuzzardman]

DSJ
RJ
Morris
Randle
Mitch

Those are the starters. Now you know. Don’t get mad when it comes to fruition.

i think there's a small possibility of payton over dennis (if perry wants that or promised it) but yeah, that's it.

Exactly.

I mean, taking Fat Kat's post and then the one above by "Are We There", is it really that much of a stretch to pencil in RJ at SG, when he was the #3 pick?

So, it's

PG: ?
SG: RJ
SF: Morris
PF: Randle
C: Mitch


The "battle" of training camp is about who'll start at PG, though I think DSJr has the edge, and then after that it's about who's in the rotation with significant minutes, who is in it all, and who will sit.

At least Bullock hurt for a while and Dotson being injured more short term has everyone down to Ellington dressing. Camp is about who'll be players 10-13 and not really play much, except maybe those 5-7 minutes for player 10.

Camp mainly about finding out who'll be players 6-9.

[thebuzzardman]

Wtf are the knicks going to do with 45mil in capspace? Nothing, you act like there are tons of teams looking to get off contracts but in reality there is probably 3-5 of those a year and they aren't offering anything great. Nobody cares about a pick in 2024. Knicks have plans to compete now, and what they did this offseason was the right move.
If somehow the knicks aren't in playoff contention ( they will be though) at the trade deadline they could move these contracts easily and achieve the same goals involved in trading capspace for picks.

Lets try to win, I am tired of tanking it's just not worth it.

Helloooo everyone. The Knicks overpaid, at least to some degree, and I don't think a small degree, so the players would take shorter contracts. Was there a chance they could have signed some of these guys for less and they got the same # of years? Not denying that. But what they got, by overpaying them by 25% in year one of a contract, was in almost all the cases, the ability to:

- Have the 2nd year be a team option.
- Have very little guaranteed money in the 2nd year. (I forget; two players have some guaranteed money in the 2nd year - a million each)

Randle's different. That was another pay partly on potential. That can be argued about. The good news? It was 2 years and 4 million guaranteed money in the 3rd year, but the 3rd year remains a team option.

Stretch 4's/5's don't grow on trees, I wish they had given bobby 3 yrs/33m no team option

Eh. There's a team option for the 2nd year. If they want to retain him, they can.

Don't they get Bird rights if they pick up the 2nd year?

[melo4three]

Harden just tried his 1 legged fade away and bricked lol

Harden needs to lose some weight, he looks chunky and he is getting older.

[melo4three]

Helloooo everyone. The Knicks overpaid, at least to some degree, and I don't think a small degree, so the players would take shorter contracts. Was there a chance they could have signed some of these guys for less and they got the same # of years? Not denying that. But what they got, by overpaying them by 25% in year one of a contract, was in almost all the cases, the ability to:

- Have the 2nd year be a team option.
- Have very little guaranteed money in the 2nd year. (I forget; two players have some guaranteed money in the 2nd year - a million each)

Randle's different. That was another pay partly on potential. That can be argued about. The good news? It was 2 years and 4 million guaranteed money in the 3rd year, but the 3rd year remains a team option.

Stretch 4's/5's don't grow on trees, I wish they had given bobby 3 yrs/33m no team option

Eh. There's a team option for the 2nd year. If they want to retain him, they can.

Don't they get Bird rights if they pick up the 2nd year?

Yep, I just fear he's gonna get a lot more expensive to keep in year 3

[blueNorange]

One thing I noticed from today is that all of our guys look like they're in great shape. So that's encouraging at least. Knox especially looks like he's on steroids. GOOD sign. Lol

he was leaning back to puff out his chest and barely had the mic close to his face so he can show his arms.

[Jalen Bluntson]

People love to project. No one here knows a damn thing beyond what the teams and the players say in the press. So...speculate as fact all you want to...it's just that. When listening to the FO...PLEASE take most of what Mills says with a grain of salt. Perry is the one you listen to. Fiz...he spent last year tap dancing around the tank. This year...they are saying winning is more a priority. That the kids need to compete to win. Not to be allowed the free reign most got last year.

I'll take what they say and make sense out of it. You guys can spin conspiracy and try to act informed. You're just speculating.

[F N 11]

Don’t sleep on Bobby Portis y’all.

[Infinitimind]

How can you even possibly consider a 1 year deal or a one year deal with a team option an overpayment? We had to fill up the roster the extra money would do us absolutely no good now, and if it doesn’t work out it’s an expiring contract we have the cap space again next summer and we lost nothing of real value

I think people are to negative, we add really good young players in Portis and randle. Adding vet leadership and shooting.

[malik959]

Payton has never gotten a deal over $3M, now he's worth $8M coming off a shortened season with a broken jumper?
Ellington has been a minimum player most of his career and now he's getting $8M/yr
Taj is obvious
Portis hasn't been a full time starter his entire career, including here. Now he's worth $15M/yr?
Morris couldn't find anyone else in the NBA to pay him $15M/yr. That's why he initially signed with the Spurs for $10M.

Randle hasn't proven to be better than KP. He's a more efficient interior scorer and better ballhandler, especially in transition. KP is no slouch offensively and dwarfs Randle defensively. He's arguable because Knicks are banking on his potential, but I doubt he's getting $20M/yr from anyone else.

These guys might enjoy being Knicks, but they didn't come here just for pride. We overpaid them for their services.

Exactly. And that's why in my last post I didnt bash Randle but still bash the offseason. You're alittle harsher on Randle than I am but you sound reasonable. If the Knocks made that signing and were betting on his potential to break out, I'm sure you could forgive one single splurge right?

That's my big issue. The Knicks went out and signed all these expensive backups to a player who might be our only wise signing ( Randle). Its like give an inch, take a mile with Mills. Dude just cant help himself.

We couldve signed Randle (and truth is...given him alittle more tbh) and then signed all of our expiring deals and still not met the contracts of 2 of our incoming BACKUPS....BACKUPS.

Randle 22mil
Vonleh 4mil
Kornet 4mil
Herzonia 4mil

And truth is it wouldve created a roster that makes a hell of alot more sense, had a helluva lot less logjams and quite possibly improved yr over year with this crazy concept other teams employ called roster continuity and chemistry.

Smith/Frank
RJ/Trier/Dotson
Knox/Herzonia/Iggy
Randle/Vonleh
Robinson/Kornet

And a whole max contract worth of space to sell for some waivable bum who has draft picks in tow. Or.....or we coukdve used the space to sign a single player who at least is in the Randle tier of player (although I'm fine if we just trade the space for picks). Instead the Knicks rather spend the most money the leagues ever seen on redundant PFs. Again, I like the Randall signing. Mills ruined it by taking the mile.

I agree. I'm not even mad about the Randle signing or even the offseason in general. I don't think it was very creative and it creates more uncertainty than it alleviates, but it's not a huge deal.

I just think that his narrative that "all these guys are here because they wanted NY over everywhere else" is nonsense, since we had to overpay them to get here.

I must say I really do not agree. First off we really don't know if those players wanted to be here or even if they asked for more to stay here. The only signing that was a head scratchier to me was Ellington being that we have Trier who is the better player IMO is the better player. Now of-course I'd take Vonleh over Portis just for his defense alone, but I'm not upset over this signing because he is a great scorer who can fight for 6th man vs Trier.

Before his injury Payton looked damn good and I hope he can continue to play as such. He plays with a lot of heart and I can only wish Frank well continue to improve, but I'm sorry I just don't see 10 assist coming out of Frank. I do see him improving over all, but he still looks a little still and robotic.

As far as contracts, who cares if a one year contract player gets paid 5-10 mil over? I mean it doesn't hurt us at all. Even at the amount their getting paid if we do try to trade any of them no team is going to say "oh hell no, Morris for 20mil GTFOH!"

[Mecca]

RJ looks so strong in his upper body even bigger than he did at Duke... I really can see him playing some small ball 4 in the future.

I got assassinated for saying this in the Summer. Assassinated.

[melo4three]

How can you even possibly consider a 1 year deal or a one year deal with a team option an overpayment? We had to fill up the roster the extra money would do us absolutely no good now, and if it doesn’t work out it’s an expiring contract we have the cap space again next summer and we lost nothing of real value

I think people are to negative, we add really good young players in Portis and randle. Adding vet leadership and shooting.

Seriously, this might be the first time in at least a decade that the knicks signed good young players in free agency with their best days ahead of them instead of behind them.

[DaGawd]

Don’t sleep on Bobby Portis y’all.

Meh.. He's basically this year's Vonleh

[F N 11]

Don’t sleep on Bobby Portis y’all.

Meh.. He's basically this year's Vonleh

The disrespect! This fool can score

[KNIXFAN_83]

you're not there yet

I'm closer than you. I'm being a realist. RJ will have to play better than Trier/Dotson/Ellington in order to start.

you can't have followed the nba for this long and not realize that there's politics to it. it's not all just merit based no matter what they say. there are favorites played based on contract, making the front office look good, future plans, etc. they have long term and short term goals and sometimes a decision has to be made for the long term that might hurt the short term.

some guys have been promised a starting role already. there's no doubt.

The only player I can see being promised anything was Randle and that’s simply because he’s the best player on the team. Everyone else has to earn their minutes.