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[HEZI]

Randle is pretty much the new ZBo

Knicks Zbo or Grizz zbo?

The younger version so probably Trail Blazers

[Knicksfan1992]

Just for clarity sake, I want to point out that people are worried about the wings and PF's signed and if Knox won't play enough, but last year the SF/PF depth chart was this:

Knox/Mario
Vonleh/LFT

Yeah, I'm ok with the Knicks adding Morris and Randle and Portis and even Bullock.

Didn't you hear? There's going to be an absolute riot and mutiny at practice because Marcus Morris has to get 20-25 mpg instead of his career average of 26mpg because Kevin Knox has to play!

[jvsimonetti0514]

I actually don't think it's that big of a deal if RJ starts the season off the bench. It's going to be best for his development if he has the ball in his hands a lot and he's creating off the dribble. I think there's going to be more opportunity for him to do that as a 6th man at the beginning of the year. He's definitely not going to be able to shoot from outside either and that might hurt the spacing of the starting line up. We could feasibly play like the Bucks, with a 5-out bench unit and RJ playing the Giannis role as primary playmaker and surround him with Frank, Dot, Knox, and Portis.

[3toheadmelo]

Dont sleep on the beast

Read on Twitter

Everybody drools over the other players; Knicks get a variation on those guys and like 30% of the board is down on him. Yay!

This is why we deserve the likes of Cole Aldrich and Jason Smith

[thebuzzardman]

Conversation getting a little heated in here

Spoiler:

I might need an ice bath

[jvsimonetti0514]

Just for clarity sake, I want to point out that people are worried about the wings and PF's signed and if Knox won't play enough, but last year the SF/PF depth chart was this:

Knox/Mario
Vonleh/LFT

Yeah, I'm ok with the Knicks adding Morris and Randle and Portis and even Bullock.

A lot of people complained that Knox wasn't held accountable, but you might as well let him play through his struggles than run out LFT. At least now with Morris, Randle, Iggy, RJ, and Bullock on the roster, we can pull Knox when he doesn't make a proper defensive rotation. Portis and Ellington we're the two signings I felt really weren't necessary now that Morris that in the fold. They're both kind of redundant with a lot of the kids we had on the roster. I would have rather bring back Kornet to have as that third big and play that stretch 5 role they want from Portis who will demand minutes.

[thebuzzardman]

Just for clarity sake, I want to point out that people are worried about the wings and PF's signed and if Knox won't play enough, but last year the SF/PF depth chart was this:

Knox/Mario
Vonleh/LFT

Yeah, I'm ok with the Knicks adding Morris and Randle and Portis and even Bullock.

A lot of people complained that Knox wasn't held accountable, but you might as well let him play through his struggles than run out LFT. At least now with Morris, Randle, Iggy, RJ, and Bullock on the roster, we can pull Knox when he doesn't make a proper defensive rotation. Portis and Ellington we're the two signings I felt really weren't necessary now that Morris that in the fold. They're both kind of redundant with a lot of the kids we had on the roster. I would have rather bring back Kornet to have as that third big and play that stretch 5 role they want from Portis who will demand minutes.

Agreed.

The silver lining is that at least they are 1+1's with a team option.

[ChaosHamster]

So no-one else is thinking that the most popular starting line-up variation majority seems to agree with:

DSJ/Elf
RJ/Frank
Morris
Randle
Mitch

has four bad shooters? I mean, can you even achieve something with line-up constructed like that in current NBA? I guess, you maybe can have an argument Randle isn't a bad shooter. He shot 34% from three, on a somewhat decent volume. But his overall jump-shot percentage was 35%.. So I don't know if I trust that 3-point number and his overall shooting.

And the issue is, I don't even know how you can fix that problem.

PG is gonna be a non-shooter, there is not other options. (DSJ, Elf or Frank.)

The same thing with Center, unless you want to start Portis?

Randle is also starting, so you can't do anything about it at PF.

So what the **** can you do? Start Dot, Trier or Ellington at SG?

[BKlutch]

Major new take on KD's odds for success when he rejoins the Nets.

I didn't want to put it here in our preseason discussion.

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[GONYK]

Everybody drools over the other players; Knicks get a variation on those guys and like 30% of the board is down on him. Yay!

Are we credibly trying to make the case that Randle is on the same level as Anthony Davis, Lebron, and Giannis?

Did the word "variation" escape your attention?

I don't think he's on those levels at all. There might be an argument for Towns, though I think Towns has accomplished more, earlier in his career. At least there is a match there in all around offensively gifted bigs with obvious defensive deficiencies.

So, maybe Randle got 3 or 4 extra million a year. He's young, and it's 2 year deal with a TEAM option for 3. Though there is 4 million in guaranteed money. So while there is an "out" for the Knicks if need be, there is that cap hit in year 3. Can't complain, personally. Good player, good contract, still young, might get better, no long term commitment if he doesn't.

The word "variation" did not escape my attention. I just don't think it made the comparison more accurate.

I have no problem with Randle on the team or anything. He is a premium interior scorer. I just think he's more of a variation on players in the Kanter-Griffin level of players than Anthony Davis.

[GONYK]

Just for clarity sake, I want to point out that people are worried about the wings and PF's signed and if Knox won't play enough, but last year the SF/PF depth chart was this:

Knox/Mario
Vonleh/LFT

Yeah, I'm ok with the Knicks adding Morris and Randle and Portis and even Bullock.

A lot of people complained that Knox wasn't held accountable, but you might as well let him play through his struggles than run out LFT. At least now with Morris, Randle, Iggy, RJ, and Bullock on the roster, we can pull Knox when he doesn't make a proper defensive rotation. Portis and Ellington we're the two signings I felt really weren't necessary now that Morris that in the fold. They're both kind of redundant with a lot of the kids we had on the roster. I would have rather bring back Kornet to have as that third big and play that stretch 5 role they want from Portis who will demand minutes.

Why did it matter in a tanking season though? Play Lance. Who cares? I think that is the criticism when it comes to the handling of Knox.

We have a chance to do better this year.

[thebuzzardman]

Are we credibly trying to make the case that Randle is on the same level as Anthony Davis, Lebron, and Giannis?

Did the word "variation" escape your attention?

I don't think he's on those levels at all. There might be an argument for Towns, though I think Towns has accomplished more, earlier in his career. At least there is a match there in all around offensively gifted bigs with obvious defensive deficiencies.

So, maybe Randle got 3 or 4 extra million a year. He's young, and it's 2 year deal with a TEAM option for 3. Though there is 4 million in guaranteed money. So while there is an "out" for the Knicks if need be, there is that cap hit in year 3. Can't complain, personally. Good player, good contract, still young, might get better, no long term commitment if he doesn't.

The word "variation" did not escape my attention. I just don't think it made the comparison more accurate.

I have no problem with Randle on the team or anything. He is a premium interior scorer. I just think he's more of a variation on players in the Kanter-Griffin level of players than Anthony Davis.

More Griffin than Kanter; I get the no defense part, but Kanter really didn't move the ball, which is fine. Griffin and Randle can facilitate to a pretty decent degree for guys who are built like traditional 4's.

[GONYK]

Did the word "variation" escape your attention?

I don't think he's on those levels at all. There might be an argument for Towns, though I think Towns has accomplished more, earlier in his career. At least there is a match there in all around offensively gifted bigs with obvious defensive deficiencies.

So, maybe Randle got 3 or 4 extra million a year. He's young, and it's 2 year deal with a TEAM option for 3. Though there is 4 million in guaranteed money. So while there is an "out" for the Knicks if need be, there is that cap hit in year 3. Can't complain, personally. Good player, good contract, still young, might get better, no long term commitment if he doesn't.

The word "variation" did not escape my attention. I just don't think it made the comparison more accurate.

I have no problem with Randle on the team or anything. He is a premium interior scorer. I just think he's more of a variation on players in the Kanter-Griffin level of players than Anthony Davis.

More Griffin than Kanter; I get the no defense part, but Kanter really didn't move the ball, which is fine. Griffin and Randle can facilitate to a pretty decent degree for guys who are built like traditional 4's.

I don't disagree. I'm talking more about the playstyle and impact moreso than making a direct comp. Blake has floated more to the perimeter in recent years. Randle's kill zone is more Kanter, with everything else more Blake. His impact has also been more Kanter than Blake.

We'll see if either of those things changes this year.

[Fat]

Where the vids? WHERE THE VIDS!

[thebuzzardman]

Just for clarity sake, I want to point out that people are worried about the wings and PF's signed and if Knox won't play enough, but last year the SF/PF depth chart was this:

Knox/Mario
Vonleh/LFT

Yeah, I'm ok with the Knicks adding Morris and Randle and Portis and even Bullock.

A lot of people complained that Knox wasn't held accountable, but you might as well let him play through his struggles than run out LFT. At least now with Morris, Randle, Iggy, RJ, and Bullock on the roster, we can pull Knox when he doesn't make a proper defensive rotation. Portis and Ellington we're the two signings I felt really weren't necessary now that Morris that in the fold. They're both kind of redundant with a lot of the kids we had on the roster. I would have rather bring back Kornet to have as that third big and play that stretch 5 role they want from Portis who will demand minutes.

Why did it matter in a tanking season though? Play Lance. Who cares? I think that is the criticism when it comes to the handling of Knox.

We have a chance to do better this year.

Well, exactly. Why not play Knox. That's fine. Conversely, reducing the minutes of a guy who just turned 20, as long he's not shut out and his role is clear, is fine too, now that there is some actual decent depth.

Which was always my point. They gave Knox more minutes in a tank season, and now they might adjust down a bit. Or not - we'll see.

144 minutes a game between SF, PF and C. 6 players at 24 mpg if it's even

96 minutes a game at the guards. 4 players at 24 mpg if it's even

Obviously it won't be.

Outside Randle and maybe DSJr, I'm not seeing anyone on this roster screaming out for 32 minutes a game, where that's a big difference maker. Other than Mitch, but I think they keep his minutes around 28, just continue to build him up.

[Deeeez Knicks]

A lot of people complained that Knox wasn't held accountable, but you might as well let him play through his struggles than run out LFT. At least now with Morris, Randle, Iggy, RJ, and Bullock on the roster, we can pull Knox when he doesn't make a proper defensive rotation. Portis and Ellington we're the two signings I felt really weren't necessary now that Morris that in the fold. They're both kind of redundant with a lot of the kids we had on the roster. I would have rather bring back Kornet to have as that third big and play that stretch 5 role they want from Portis who will demand minutes.

Why did it matter in a tanking season though? Play Lance. Who cares? I think that is the criticism when it comes to the handling of Knox.

We have a chance to do better this year.

Well, exactly. Why not play Knox. That's fine. Conversely, reducing the minutes of a guy who just turned 20, as long he's not shut out and his role is clear, is fine too, now that there is some actual decent depth.

Which was always my point. They gave Knox more minutes in a tank season, and now they might adjust down a bit. Or not - we'll see.

144 minutes a game between SF, PF and C. 6 players at 24 mpg if it's even

96 minutes a game at the guards. 4 players at 24 mpg if it's even

Obviously it won't be.

Outside Randle and maybe DSJr, I'm not seeing anyone on this roster screaming out for 32 minutes a game, where that's a big difference maker. Other than Mitch, but I think they keep his minutes around 28, just continue to build him up.

10 players for about 24 mpg, give or take. Who are the 10 though and what are the rotations? I think that is where it gets a little ugly, and players will probably start getting frustrated.

[GONYK]

Why did it matter in a tanking season though? Play Lance. Who cares? I think that is the criticism when it comes to the handling of Knox.

We have a chance to do better this year.

Well, exactly. Why not play Knox. That's fine. Conversely, reducing the minutes of a guy who just turned 20, as long he's not shut out and his role is clear, is fine too, now that there is some actual decent depth.

Which was always my point. They gave Knox more minutes in a tank season, and now they might adjust down a bit. Or not - we'll see.

144 minutes a game between SF, PF and C. 6 players at 24 mpg if it's even

96 minutes a game at the guards. 4 players at 24 mpg if it's even

Obviously it won't be.

Outside Randle and maybe DSJr, I'm not seeing anyone on this roster screaming out for 32 minutes a game, where that's a big difference maker. Other than Mitch, but I think they keep his minutes around 28, just continue to build him up.

10 players for about 24 mpg, give or take. Who are the 10 though and what are the rotations? I think that is where it gets a little ugly, and players will probably start getting frustrated.

Expect the arbitrary lineup shuffling we saw last season.

[stuporman]

Dont sleep on the beast

Read on Twitter

Everybody drools over the other players; Knicks get a variation on those guys and like 30% of the board is down on him. Yay!

Are we credibly trying to make the case that Randle is on the same level as Anthony Davis, Lebron, and Giannis?

The stats say he's pretty close..... If his defense improves maybe the argument can be made.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Just for clarity sake, I want to point out that people are worried about the wings and PF's signed and if Knox won't play enough, but last year the SF/PF depth chart was this:

Knox/Mario
Vonleh/LFT

Yeah, I'm ok with the Knicks adding Morris and Randle and Portis and even Bullock.

A lot of people complained that Knox wasn't held accountable, but you might as well let him play through his struggles than run out LFT. At least now with Morris, Randle, Iggy, RJ, and Bullock on the roster, we can pull Knox when he doesn't make a proper defensive rotation. Portis and Ellington we're the two signings I felt really weren't necessary now that Morris that in the fold. They're both kind of redundant with a lot of the kids we had on the roster. I would have rather bring back Kornet to have as that third big and play that stretch 5 role they want from Portis who will demand minutes.

Why did it matter in a tanking season though? Play Lance. Who cares? I think that is the criticism when it comes to the handling of Knox.

We have a chance to do better this year.

Knox told us in the press conference about why that matter. All that extra film really hammered home the things he needed to work on in the offseason.

[GONYK]

Everybody drools over the other players; Knicks get a variation on those guys and like 30% of the board is down on him. Yay!

Are we credibly trying to make the case that Randle is on the same level as Anthony Davis, Lebron, and Giannis?

The stats say he's pretty close..... If his defense improves maybe the argument can be made.

I don't think Randle is some defensive improvement away from being a perennial MVP candidate.