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[GONYK]

A lot of people complained that Knox wasn't held accountable, but you might as well let him play through his struggles than run out LFT. At least now with Morris, Randle, Iggy, RJ, and Bullock on the roster, we can pull Knox when he doesn't make a proper defensive rotation. Portis and Ellington we're the two signings I felt really weren't necessary now that Morris that in the fold. They're both kind of redundant with a lot of the kids we had on the roster. I would have rather bring back Kornet to have as that third big and play that stretch 5 role they want from Portis who will demand minutes.

Why did it matter in a tanking season though? Play Lance. Who cares? I think that is the criticism when it comes to the handling of Knox.

We have a chance to do better this year.

Knox told us in the press conference about why that matter. All that extra film really hammered home the things he needed to work on in the offseason.

I think he might have gotten the message a little sooner if his ass got put on the bench right then and there instead of looking at film months later

[mpharris36]

Everybody drools over the other players; Knicks get a variation on those guys and like 30% of the board is down on him. Yay!

Are we credibly trying to make the case that Randle is on the same level as Anthony Davis, Lebron, and Giannis?

The stats say he's pretty close..... If his defense improves maybe the argument can be made.

Wait....what?

[Knicksfan1992]

The Blake and Randle comparisons aren't far off IMO. Through their first 4 seasons (if you skip the 14 minutes Randle played his rookie year) they are very similar in production per 100 possessions as you can see below.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/randlju01.html#2016-2019-sum:per_poss

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/griffbl01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_poss

I think getting away from the stats comparison the difference was BG was overwhelmingly athletic as youngster. I don't think Randle is near that level of athleticism but he's sort of a matchup nightmare in his own right because he has a great combo of strength and quickness that many great 4's have. With that said, I think the main difference was that Blake could put up the same production Randle did without needing as much skill to do it (if that makes sense). So when Blake actually added more and more tools in the shed it allowed him to reach a peak that I don't know that Randle can get too. That's the big question.... can Julius have a continuous growth and maturity curve that Blake had as he got older and honed his skill level?

[Deeeez Knicks]

Well, exactly. Why not play Knox. That's fine. Conversely, reducing the minutes of a guy who just turned 20, as long he's not shut out and his role is clear, is fine too, now that there is some actual decent depth.

Which was always my point. They gave Knox more minutes in a tank season, and now they might adjust down a bit. Or not - we'll see.

144 minutes a game between SF, PF and C. 6 players at 24 mpg if it's even

96 minutes a game at the guards. 4 players at 24 mpg if it's even

Obviously it won't be.

Outside Randle and maybe DSJr, I'm not seeing anyone on this roster screaming out for 32 minutes a game, where that's a big difference maker. Other than Mitch, but I think they keep his minutes around 28, just continue to build him up.

10 players for about 24 mpg, give or take. Who are the 10 though and what are the rotations? I think that is where it gets a little ugly, and players will probably start getting frustrated.

Expect the arbitrary lineup shuffling we saw last season.

Yeah, that would be my concern. That is usually not good.

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[melo4three]

No offense to randle but he’s got to be one of the worst best players in the NBA right?

His per36 numbers compare to a Montrezl Harrell or Siakam type

I mean, he's good but I don't think you can get very far with him as your best player

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If your best player simply can’t just will a team to victory late in games it’s tough to be a good team because so many games are won and lost in the 4th qtr. randle isn’t a guy you can just give the ball and get out of the way because you know he’s going to make a play.

No fault of his own he’s just not that dude.

Yeah he is, try watching him play

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Mitch is a better shooter than Knox LOL

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[Mecca]

RJ looks so strong in his upper body even bigger than he did at Duke... I really can see him playing some small ball 4 in the future.

I got assassinated for saying this in the Summer. Assassinated.

pretty sure you got assassinated for making asinine statements on rj based off summer league play.

That was one of my opinions. I can pull it up if you’d like. I said RJ at the 4 is much more interesting and got killed for it.

I didn’t like RJ out of the draft, why do I have to like him because he’s a Knick? It wasn’t the Summer League that created those beliefs.

I would’ve taken Darius Garland over RJ and I don’t think Knox is good. Oh well. I still think Garland will have the better year. Pin this and make me eat my crow. I’m hoping for the best with RJ, but this is my POV going into the year.

[F N 11]

Mitch about to boss up watch.

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if mitch can hit like that in real games its gonna be game changing

[3toheadmelo]

His per36 numbers compare to a Montrezl Harrell or Siakam type

I mean, he's good but I don't think you can get very far with him as your best player

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If your best player simply can’t just will a team to victory late in games it’s tough to be a good team because so many games are won and lost in the 4th qtr. randle isn’t a guy you can just give the ball and get out of the way because you know he’s going to make a play.

No fault of his own he’s just not that dude.

Yeah he is, try watching him play

Yeah Randle has had some games where he took over in the clutch.

Watch on YouTube

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[G_K_F]

if mitch can hit like that in real games its gonna be game changing

There is less than 1% chance he will actually take any of these shots during a game.

[god shammgod]

The Blake and Randle comparisons aren't far off IMO. Through their first 4 seasons (if you skip the 14 minutes Randle played his rookie year) they are very similar in production per 100 possessions as you can see below.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/randlju01.html#2016-2019-sum:per_poss

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/griffbl01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_poss

I think getting away from the stats comparison the difference was BG was overwhelmingly athletic as youngster. I don't think Randle is near that level of athleticism but he's sort of a matchup nightmare in his own right because he has a great combo of strength and quickness that many great 4's have. With that said, I think the main difference was that Blake could put up the same production Randle did without needing as much skill to do it (if that makes sense). So when Blake actually added more and more tools in the shed it allowed him to reach a peak that I don't know that Randle can get too. That's the big question.... can Julius have a continuous growth and maturity curve that Blake had as he got older and honed his skill level?

yep, the athleticism is the difference. randle is bigger/stronger though. he'll probably never reach peak blake but there's a similarity. because he's not as athletic he has to really work on shooting the ball and refining his handle. that's the only way he'll reach that peak as a player. to basically play like a wing.

[Mecca]

The Blake and Randle comparisons aren't far off IMO. Through their first 4 seasons (if you skip the 14 minutes Randle played his rookie year) they are very similar in production per 100 possessions as you can see below.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/randlju01.html#2016-2019-sum:per_poss

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/griffbl01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_poss

I think getting away from the stats comparison the difference was BG was overwhelmingly athletic as youngster. I don't think Randle is near that level of athleticism but he's sort of a matchup nightmare in his own right because he has a great combo of strength and quickness that many great 4's have. With that said, I think the main difference was that Blake could put up the same production Randle did without needing as much skill to do it (if that makes sense). So when Blake actually added more and more tools in the shed it allowed him to reach a peak that I don't know that Randle can get too. That's the big question.... can Julius have a continuous growth and maturity curve that Blake had as he got older and honed his skill level?

yep, the athleticism is the difference. randle is bigger/stronger though. he'll probably never reach peak blake but there's a similarity. because he's not as athletic he has to really work on shooting the ball and refining his handle. that's the only way he'll reach that peak as a player. to basically play like a wing.

Randle needs to show the 3 on Blake’s volume and efficiency of last year to be worth his contract. The way he’s played his entire career isn’t going to win games or be that valuable.

[Mecca]

I’m v down on the Knicks this year tbh. My only hope is DSJ pops, and I think there’s a decent chance he does or RJ is better than what I expected.

I’m kinda in on DSJ this year tbh. If the shot is remodeled, I’m all in.

[god shammgod]

The Blake and Randle comparisons aren't far off IMO. Through their first 4 seasons (if you skip the 14 minutes Randle played his rookie year) they are very similar in production per 100 possessions as you can see below.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/randlju01.html#2016-2019-sum:per_poss

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/griffbl01.html#2011-2014-sum:per_poss

I think getting away from the stats comparison the difference was BG was overwhelmingly athletic as youngster. I don't think Randle is near that level of athleticism but he's sort of a matchup nightmare in his own right because he has a great combo of strength and quickness that many great 4's have. With that said, I think the main difference was that Blake could put up the same production Randle did without needing as much skill to do it (if that makes sense). So when Blake actually added more and more tools in the shed it allowed him to reach a peak that I don't know that Randle can get too. That's the big question.... can Julius have a continuous growth and maturity curve that Blake had as he got older and honed his skill level?

yep, the athleticism is the difference. randle is bigger/stronger though. he'll probably never reach peak blake but there's a similarity. because he's not as athletic he has to really work on shooting the ball and refining his handle. that's the only way he'll reach that peak as a player. to basically play like a wing.

Randle needs to show the 3 on Blake’s volume and efficiency of last year to be worth his contract. The way he’s played his entire career isn’t going to win games or be that valuable.

yep. but he's actually ahead of blake. at this many years in, blake still wasn't really taking 3s.

[Mecca]

yep, the athleticism is the difference. randle is bigger/stronger though. he'll probably never reach peak blake but there's a similarity. because he's not as athletic he has to really work on shooting the ball and refining his handle. that's the only way he'll reach that peak as a player. to basically play like a wing.

Randle needs to show the 3 on Blake’s volume and efficiency of last year to be worth his contract. The way he’s played his entire career isn’t going to win games or be that valuable.

yep. but he's actually ahead of blake. at this many years in, blake still wasn't really taking 3s.

Yeah, but Blake becoming a + 3 point shooter was a rarity for big men. More often, players don’t adjust, so I’d need to see it to have faith in it.

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