2019 Official Media Day & Training Camp Thread (TODAY @ 10 AM)

[YelloC]

Terrence Davis actually reminds me of Sonny Weems.
He obviously has to shoot better from 3 to stick but their athletic profiles are similar.
I’m surprised Sonny wasn’t able to stay in the league. He was one of my favourite tertiary players in Raptors lore.

[TheAlchemist]

what?

we have Ibaka, Boucher, RHJ, Dewan, Sagaba, maybe even some Devin Robinson if he can make the team.

+ OG whos going to see the ball at the 4/5 this year probably. and plus Siakam as a small ball big.

SJ isn't PJ Tucker lmao.

I don’t see why we can’t try it? We have an entire preseason + regular season to see what it looks like

Stanley has been far from successful at the 3 so far. A little bit better at the 4. So why not the 5?

Stanley is as much a small ball big as OG is and really the only thing separating him and PJ is that he’s a much worse shooter.

Playing Stanley at the 5 is like putting bargnani at the 3

God, did you have to remind me of that?!

Jesus.

[HeadtopChunes]

Playing Stanley at the 5 is like putting bargnani at the 3

No it’s not, playing Stanley at the 5 is like playing any other unskilled forward at the 5.

Stanley is strong for his position (second heaviest player on our roster) and not really that athletic. Putting him at the 5 would let him play more on the interior or take bigs off the dribble (which he can do) also let him switch more and get out in transition.

Stanley is probably the worst out of the 3 between him OG/RHJ so he’s probably not gonna get that many chances in general.

But if OG can look good playing the 5 I don’t see why Stanley can’t

OG can do it with some semblance because he can hit an open 3.

What benefit do you think Stanley will provide at the 5?
Any?or you just want it because it means we hide Stanley's offense at the benefit of what?
Having him guard 5a on defense?

We would be effectively be punting that matchup.

So he is undersized inside offensively against a big, and the big can elect to go under or give up the shot to a bad shooter.
And on D he is forced to get help against a C inside breaking down our D from a simple pass inside.

That math still makes him a negative on the floor, negative on D and upgraded to a hide/wash on O.

Why would the Raptors do that and force a give away matchup when they can just play him at the 3 or 2 have him be a potential positive on D and work him into a wash or positive eventually on O?

I'm not saying spot minutes won't work or playing it with switches and some other bigs and cross matching TO START defensive possessions but it seems ridiculous to put that much out of position developmental minutes for a guy who is on a 1 year deal on a low dollar.

Invest that time in anyone else with more upside at the 5...

Idk why you guys are acting like I said “Stanley has to play the 5”

All I said was I was curious as to what that would look like. What I was not saying was “this should be a regular thing the Raptors use”

Stanley has almost 0 offensive qualities using him as a roll man who can kinda dribble + increase defensive pressure could work.

I don’t think it be a negative on D unless you are playing him on a star center. Stanley isn’t easy to post up and has the frame to keep most players off the glass and like most small ball 5s can just switch the PnR for smaller players.

If his man is a non shooting 5 he can cheat and play help D.

Stanley shouldn’t need a screen to blow by a traditional center either (like Deandre Jordan for example), but I had him more in mind as a roll man. He should be able to be a good screener with his body and maybe pass a little from the short roll.

But I’m looking at it from asses Stanley Johnson standpoint not really a Raptors as a team a standpoint of that makes sense.

[Mikistan]

No it’s not, playing Stanley at the 5 is like playing any other unskilled forward at the 5.

Stanley is strong for his position (second heaviest player on our roster) and not really that athletic. Putting him at the 5 would let him play more on the interior or take bigs off the dribble (which he can do) also let him switch more and get out in transition.

Stanley is probably the worst out of the 3 between him OG/RHJ so he’s probably not gonna get that many chances in general.

But if OG can look good playing the 5 I don’t see why Stanley can’t

OG can do it with some semblance because he can hit an open 3.

What benefit do you think Stanley will provide at the 5?
Any?or you just want it because it means we hide Stanley's offense at the benefit of what?
Having him guard 5a on defense?

We would be effectively be punting that matchup.

So he is undersized inside offensively against a big, and the big can elect to go under or give up the shot to a bad shooter.
And on D he is forced to get help against a C inside breaking down our D from a simple pass inside.

That math still makes him a negative on the floor, negative on D and upgraded to a hide/wash on O.

Why would the Raptors do that and force a give away matchup when they can just play him at the 3 or 2 have him be a potential positive on D and work him into a wash or positive eventually on O?

I'm not saying spot minutes won't work or playing it with switches and some other bigs and cross matching TO START defensive possessions but it seems ridiculous to put that much out of position developmental minutes for a guy who is on a 1 year deal on a low dollar.

Invest that time in anyone else with more upside at the 5...

Idk why you guys are acting like I said “Stanley has to play the 5”

All I said was I was curious as to what that would look like. What I was not saying was “this should be a regular thing the Raptors use”

Stanley has almost 0 offensive qualities using him as a roll man who can kinda dribble + increase defensive pressure could work.

I don’t think it be a negative on D unless you are playing him on a star center. Stanley isn’t easy to post up and has the frame to keep most players off the glass and like most small ball 5s can just switch the PnR for smaller players.

If his man is a non shooting 5 he can cheat and play help D.

Stanley shouldn’t need a screen to blow by a traditional center either (like Deandre Jordan for example), but I had him more in mind as a roll man. He should be able to be a good screener with his body and maybe pass a little from the short roll.

But I’m looking at it from asses Stanley Johnson standpoint not really a Raptors as a team a standpoint of that makes sense.

I think you have the right of it in how to use stanley, keep him moving, roll man, get the ball on the move, don't have him receive the ball stagnant above the 3pt line.

He's going to find himself receiving the ball up there as a safety valve from our other slashes for sure.

The interview from nurse today at the end of training camp had one question on RHJ and they asked if RHJ had shown improved shooting and Nurse really shot it down and talked about using Rondae as the 5 man on offense and having Gasol ibaka or Boucher step out to the 3.using Rondae down by the post and baseline because he is crafty with layup from there and the other 3 guys can step out to shoot.

Oddly nurse pointed out that Stanley's shot isn't broken, which I dunno if I agree with!

[RaptorReloaded]

Terrence Davis actually reminds me of Sonny Weems.
He obviously has to shoot better from 3 to stick but their athletic profiles are similar.
I’m surprised Sonny wasn’t able to stay in the league. He was one of my favourite tertiary players in Raptors lore.

Davis's jump shot looks as smooth as eggs. Weem's jump shot looked terrible. I see more baron Davis/ poor mans Lillard in Terrence. Wasn't Weems 6'6/6'7 while Davis is 6'4/6'5?

[super_balls]

Terrence Davis actually reminds me of Sonny Weems.
He obviously has to shoot better from 3 to stick but their athletic profiles are similar.
I’m surprised Sonny wasn’t able to stay in the league. He was one of my favourite tertiary players in Raptors lore.

Davis's jump shot looks as smooth as eggs. Weem's jump shot looked terrible. I see more baron Davis/ poor mans Lillard in Terrence. Wasn't Weems 6'6/6'7 while Davis is 6'4/6'5?

Yeah, I don’t see Weems at all. I see a mini Joe Johnson in the way he uses his body in the PnRs and ISOs.

[HeadtopChunes]

OG can do it with some semblance because he can hit an open 3.

What benefit do you think Stanley will provide at the 5?
Any?or you just want it because it means we hide Stanley's offense at the benefit of what?
Having him guard 5a on defense?

We would be effectively be punting that matchup.

So he is undersized inside offensively against a big, and the big can elect to go under or give up the shot to a bad shooter.
And on D he is forced to get help against a C inside breaking down our D from a simple pass inside.

That math still makes him a negative on the floor, negative on D and upgraded to a hide/wash on O.

Why would the Raptors do that and force a give away matchup when they can just play him at the 3 or 2 have him be a potential positive on D and work him into a wash or positive eventually on O?

I'm not saying spot minutes won't work or playing it with switches and some other bigs and cross matching TO START defensive possessions but it seems ridiculous to put that much out of position developmental minutes for a guy who is on a 1 year deal on a low dollar.

Invest that time in anyone else with more upside at the 5...

Idk why you guys are acting like I said “Stanley has to play the 5”

All I said was I was curious as to what that would look like. What I was not saying was “this should be a regular thing the Raptors use”

Stanley has almost 0 offensive qualities using him as a roll man who can kinda dribble + increase defensive pressure could work.

I don’t think it be a negative on D unless you are playing him on a star center. Stanley isn’t easy to post up and has the frame to keep most players off the glass and like most small ball 5s can just switch the PnR for smaller players.

If his man is a non shooting 5 he can cheat and play help D.

Stanley shouldn’t need a screen to blow by a traditional center either (like Deandre Jordan for example), but I had him more in mind as a roll man. He should be able to be a good screener with his body and maybe pass a little from the short roll.

But I’m looking at it from asses Stanley Johnson standpoint not really a Raptors as a team a standpoint of that makes sense.

I think you have the right of it in how to use stanley, keep him moving, roll man, get the ball on the move, don't have him receive the ball stagnant above the 3pt line.

He's going to find himself receiving the ball up there as a safety valve from our other slashes for sure.

The interview from nurse today at the end of training camp had one question on RHJ and they asked if RHJ had shown improved shooting and Nurse really shot it down and talked about using Rondae as the 5 man on offense and having Gasol ibaka or Boucher step out to the 3.using Rondae down by the post and baseline because he is crafty with layup from there and the other 3 guys can step out to shoot.

Oddly nurse pointed out that Stanley's shot isn't broken, which I dunno if I agree with!

Yeah, it just makes sense to me to get Stanley attacking in space which being a roll man would help. Because cant just spot up in the corner like Og. Stanley's scrum from earlier today he mentioned being more of a driver/slasher vs a spot up guy.

So maybe Nurse thinks he can do that instead of being used like a big man idk.

RHJ makes sense to me as a dynamic roll man, that's where he excelled at with the nets (although I think it's notable that he wasn't really a good finisher despite that)

I guess by saying his jumper isn't broken he means there's no like huge hitch or anything which is true. Stanley's shot is low release and slow which should really hurt him taking contested jumpers but there's no reason why he shouldn't hit open ones just based on his form. I will say its notable how the form itself isn't really consistent either so Stanely can probably fix that.

I just wonder how much of players shooting ability is just limited by natural touch (or lack thereof) vs mechanics.

[HeadtopChunes]

Terrence Davis actually reminds me of Sonny Weems.
He obviously has to shoot better from 3 to stick but their athletic profiles are similar.
I’m surprised Sonny wasn’t able to stay in the league. He was one of my favourite tertiary players in Raptors lore.

Davis's jump shot looks as smooth as eggs. Weem's jump shot looked terrible. I see more baron Davis/ poor mans Lillard in Terrence. Wasn't Weems 6'6/6'7 while Davis is 6'4/6'5?

Yeah, I don’t see Weems at all. I see a mini Joe Johnson in the way he uses his body in the PnRs and ISOs.

He reminds of Jeremy Lamb tbh just his overall pace in general

[HeadtopChunes]

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Interesting tidbit from this interview, Davis said the Raptors intend to develop him as a point gaurd.

I can see it, he would a bigger sized PG and at summer league I thought he had the handles and playmaking flashes to play some 1 right away

[super_balls]

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Interesting tidbit from this interview, Davis said the Raptors intend to develop him as a point gaurd.

I can see it, he would a bigger sized PG and at summer league I thought he had the handles and playmaking flashes to play some 1 right away

The way I see it, he’s battling McCaw for delon’s role last year.

He has the biggest hands at the combine for anyone 6’10 and lower. Wild.

[Zeno]

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Interesting tidbit from this interview, Davis said the Raptors intend to develop him as a point gaurd.

I can see it, he would a bigger sized PG and at summer league I thought he had the handles and playmaking flashes to play some 1 right away

Thanks for posting this. Really nice interview. Them trying to develop him at the 1 really makes me think he's headed to the 905 almost right away. Probably let him stay with the big club out of preseason to get a taste, maybe a few NBA minutes and then send him down for a couple months with the 905. Doesn't bode well for Taylor or Payne that they are talking about McCaw and him at the point. I think McCaw gets the Delon minutes pre all-star at least.

[super_balls]

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TD can really shoot.

[Mikistan]

Lowry still injured...

[Raptorfan2012]

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TD can really shoot.

Wow, did Cameron Payne go 4 for 4 in that clip? Beat out his teammates (even Matt Thomas).

[Raptorfan2012]

Read on Twitter

Interesting tidbit from this interview, Davis said the Raptors intend to develop him as a point gaurd.

I can see it, he would a bigger sized PG and at summer league I thought he had the handles and playmaking flashes to play some 1 right away

Thanks for posting this. Really nice interview. Them trying to develop him at the 1 really makes me think he's headed to the 905 almost right away. Probably let him stay with the big club out of preseason to get a taste, maybe a few NBA minutes and then send him down for a couple months with the 905. Doesn't bode well for Taylor or Payne that they are talking about McCaw and him at the point. I think McCaw gets the Delon minutes pre all-star at least.

Depends if Lowry can play at the start of the season. If not, then I can see TD running back and forth between the 905 and the Raptors bench

[HeadtopChunes]

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Interesting tidbit from this interview, Davis said the Raptors intend to develop him as a point gaurd.

I can see it, he would a bigger sized PG and at summer league I thought he had the handles and playmaking flashes to play some 1 right away

Thanks for posting this. Really nice interview. Them trying to develop him at the 1 really makes me think he's headed to the 905 almost right away. Probably let him stay with the big club out of preseason to get a taste, maybe a few NBA minutes and then send him down for a couple months with the 905. Doesn't bode well for Taylor or Payne that they are talking about McCaw and him at the point. I think McCaw gets the Delon minutes pre all-star at least.

Depends if Lowry can play at the start of the season. If not, then I can see TD running back and forth between the 905 and the Raptors bench

Yeah if Lowry is out for the start, they will def start Fred and I from what I've seen so far there's no reason TD cant beat out McCaw, Payne or Taylor for the 3rd string

[Zeno]

Thanks for posting this. Really nice interview. Them trying to develop him at the 1 really makes me think he's headed to the 905 almost right away. Probably let him stay with the big club out of preseason to get a taste, maybe a few NBA minutes and then send him down for a couple months with the 905. Doesn't bode well for Taylor or Payne that they are talking about McCaw and him at the point. I think McCaw gets the Delon minutes pre all-star at least.

Depends if Lowry can play at the start of the season. If not, then I can see TD running back and forth between the 905 and the Raptors bench

Yeah if Lowry is out for the start, they will def start Fred and I from what I've seen so far there's no reason TD cant beat out McCaw, Payne or Taylor for the 3rd string

Well if Lowry was actually out, I would think that they would want to give the minutes to back up Lowry to someone with actual NBA experience. So it would be McCaw's job to lose, followed by either Payne or Taylor. But yes I could definitely see TD being kept up with the big team as the 3rd point guard. I just don't think you throw a guy into the main rotation with no NBA experience if he's adjusting to a new position. Especially if you plan on trying to win games.

[Asif16]

Let Cam Payne be the 3rd string PG and take the role of bench cheerleader.

I'd rather have Davis get seasoned in the 905 like FVV/Siakam/Powell did

[HeadtopChunes]

Depends if Lowry can play at the start of the season. If not, then I can see TD running back and forth between the 905 and the Raptors bench

Yeah if Lowry is out for the start, they will def start Fred and I from what I've seen so far there's no reason TD cant beat out McCaw, Payne or Taylor for the 3rd string

Well if Lowry was actually out, I would think that they would want to give the minutes to back up Lowry to someone with actual NBA experience. So it would be McCaw's job to lose, followed by either Payne or Taylor. But yes I could definitely see TD being kept up with the big team as the 3rd point guard. I just don't think you throw a guy into the main rotation with no NBA experience if he's adjusting to a new position. Especially if you plan on trying to win games.

that's a good point but at the same time, I think there's something to be said for talent. McCaw didnt really show much on offense during his stint here (and hed probably take backup 2 minutes in that scenario anyway). If Payne and Taylor are worse than Davis (they very well could be considering their careers thus far) I think you just play Davis anyway and let him learn a bit on the fly.

Davis is a 4-year college guy too so hes experienced in his own way and idk not playing talented young guys for limited vets was one of my consistent complaints while Casey was here

[Zeno]

Yeah if Lowry is out for the start, they will def start Fred and I from what I've seen so far there's no reason TD cant beat out McCaw, Payne or Taylor for the 3rd string

Well if Lowry was actually out, I would think that they would want to give the minutes to back up Lowry to someone with actual NBA experience. So it would be McCaw's job to lose, followed by either Payne or Taylor. But yes I could definitely see TD being kept up with the big team as the 3rd point guard. I just don't think you throw a guy into the main rotation with no NBA experience if he's adjusting to a new position. Especially if you plan on trying to win games.

that's a good point but at the same time, I think there's something to be said for talent. McCaw didnt really show much on offense during his stint here (and hed probably take backup 2 minutes in that scenario anyway). If Payne and Taylor are worse than Davis (they very well could be considering their careers thus far) I think you just play Davis anyway and let him learn a bit on the fly.

Davis is a 4-year college guy too so hes experienced in his own way and idk not playing talented young guys for limited vets was one of my consistent complaints while Casey was here

Yeah for sure, but remeber McCaw was given a two year 8 million dollar contract so they believe in him and he's played actual rotation minutes on championship teams. He's also pretty young so it wouldn't be a Casey situation.