Steph Top 10 All Time - According to Bleacher report

[WarriorGM]

Agree or Disagree?

Steph is by far my favourite player this past decade, and i hope one day he'll deserve this spot, but I personally have him sitting around 15-20 range at the moment.

If you agree - then why?
If you dont agree - then what do you feel Steph needs to accomplish to reach top ten all time?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2854727-bleacher-reports-all-time-player-rankings-nbas-top-50-revealed#slide42

i think he is outside the top 10 in that next 11-20 range:

1) longevity (hasnt achieved it yet and we are talking top 10 today)
2) 3 titles with 0 finals MVPs (less then everyone in the top 10 for finals mvp, less then many for titles)
3) 2 time MVP (less then many in the top 10)

Kareem, MJ, Kobe, Duncan, Russell all have more rings, more finals MVP, and the same/more longevity and as many or more MVPS

Bird, Shaq, Magic all have more titles/finals mvps with similar longevity

Wilt and lebron have similar titles more finals MVPs with more longevity and in lebrons case more regular season hardware

best case would be curry over wilt with recency bias or lebron because of titls plus head to head but lebron outplayed curry in every finals

he would be outside those 10 for me

Oh, one more thing. In these 10 seasons, he has been an Allstar and AllNBA only 6 times.
Magic was a 12 time all star and 10 time all NBA in 12 seasons and Bird exactly the same.
Very well put. You can compare Curry to Magic and Bird cause they basically got everything in the first 10 years (Magic up to '91, that's 12, but nearly the same) And simply, there is no comparison. For pure basketball skills, he's just a better shooter and ball handler, and that's it. He hasn't even been the leader or go to guy in those 5 finals. Yep. He needed other guys to step up to win the chips (Iguolada and KD). That said, he's in the top 20, but I just don't see him getting in the top 10 unless he does something incredible like being the top scorer in another finals and getting the FMVP. And still, who do you take out of the top 10?

There is a reason many people place Bird ahead of Magic even with less rings. Magic played right from the start of his career with Kareem and never won a ring without him. Magic also played in the weaker conference.

[70sFan]

But I get it you are a Wilt Chamberlain guy (...) You're also probably still wondering why they didn't win more despite being so good.

Wait, what are you doing there? Wilt won 2 titles with 2 of the most dominant teams in NBA history. He also was in 6 finals overall. He led his teams to 4 highest records in the league including 68 and 69 wins in smaller league (which is more impressive than in bigger league).

So far Curry has 3 rings (only one more) and I doubt he'd have them without Durant trade. What exactly makes Wilt a "loser" and Curry a "winner"?

Wilt is mainly said to be the better player over Bill Russell because of the way he had mammoth personal stats. He's the poster child for it.

By the way Wilt's winning teams were each stacked with talent in the form of 3 other Hall-of-Famers as well so I don't know what bringing up Durant is supposed to accomplish. People are assuming Draymond and Klay will get there but that's not a done deal.

Six finals in a smaller league isn't necessarily more impressive especially when factoring in that there were only three rounds during that time with most of the 60s having a best of 5 first round with some teams even receiving a bye. By going to 5 consecutive finals the Warriors played as many rounds as the 60s Celtics who went to 8 straight finals.

Curry didn't play in two first rounds during Warriors run, that's how tough one round more makes it. Warriors didn't need Curry to win these first rounds, so why should I praise him for that?

Curry played 93 playoffs games in 2015-19 period (all finals years). Wilt played 95 games in 1964, 1967, 1969-70, 1972-73 period (also all finals years). The difference is very small.

Neither one of Wilt's teams was nearly as stacked as 2017 and 2018 Warriors. Are you trying to tell me that Chet Walker, Hal Greer or Gail Goodrich are comparable to Kevin Durant? Or even 34 years old Jerry West?

[Hroz]

Kobe 14 Hakeem 13 are way too low.
Steph / Oscar / David Robinson at 10-12 is way too high. These no Finals MVP players can drop the hell down that list now thanks.

[WarriorGM]

Wait, what are you doing there? Wilt won 2 titles with 2 of the most dominant teams in NBA history. He also was in 6 finals overall. He led his teams to 4 highest records in the league including 68 and 69 wins in smaller league (which is more impressive than in bigger league).

So far Curry has 3 rings (only one more) and I doubt he'd have them without Durant trade. What exactly makes Wilt a "loser" and Curry a "winner"?

Wilt is mainly said to be the better player over Bill Russell because of the way he had mammoth personal stats. He's the poster child for it.

By the way Wilt's winning teams were each stacked with talent in the form of 3 other Hall-of-Famers as well so I don't know what bringing up Durant is supposed to accomplish. People are assuming Draymond and Klay will get there but that's not a done deal.

Six finals in a smaller league isn't necessarily more impressive especially when factoring in that there were only three rounds during that time with most of the 60s having a best of 5 first round with some teams even receiving a bye. By going to 5 consecutive finals the Warriors played as many rounds as the 60s Celtics who went to 8 straight finals.

Curry didn't play in two first rounds during Warriors run, that's how tough one round more makes it. Warriors didn't need Curry to win these first rounds, so why should I praise him for that?

Curry played 93 playoffs games in 2015-19 period (all finals years). Wilt played 95 games in 1964, 1967, 1969-70, 1972-73 period (also all finals years). The difference is very small.

Neither one of Wilt's teams was nearly as stacked as 2017 and 2018 Warriors. Are you trying to tell me that Chet Walker, Hal Greer or Gail Goodrich are comparable to Kevin Durant? Or even 34 years old Jerry West?

Because to get a favorable first round pairing one needs to win many regular season games to get a high seed. The Warriors have a habit of playing at a 65-win pace with Curry while looking much rougher without him.

93 playoffs games played continuously over 5 seasons vs. 95 playoffs games played discontinuously over 9 years. The former is tougher.

Wouldn't know since I didn't get to see them play but Greer's 7x All-NBA and 10x All-Star is nothing to sneeze at and Billy Cunningham was a future MVP. 1972 came relatively soon after expansion so that team's numbers may be inflated. Even granting Durant is a superior teammate than any Wilt had, so what? The Warriors dominated as hoped setting the playoffs wins record and avoided the failure that have greeted many attempts at creating a superteam. Is that supposed to be a knock on Curry?

Kobe 14 Hakeem 13 are way too low.
Steph / Oscar / David Robinson at 10-12 is way too high. These no Finals MVP players can drop the hell down that list now thanks.

Cute coming from a Rockets fan. You sure you'd want to meet Curry again in the playoffs?

[Triple7]

Damn! Are you seriously questioning robertson, cooper, and MJ winning DPOY??? and also saying that Bird getting three defensive team awards means nothing.

Questioning? I'm say it was flat out beyond idiotic for any of them to get it. Yes, I am saying Bird was never an all defensive team level defender.

Who cares wtf you think or say! It means ****.

[Triple7]

Kareem? He has better career, better prime, better peak and better longevity than Curry. I can't see how Steph could surpass him to be honest.

Bird is much more probable, especially because Bird has relatively weak longevity and his prime is comparable to Curry's.

I agree it would be possible for Curry to surpass Bird.

I reviewed Kareem's career stats and now I agree with you. I had not realized Abdul Jabar won a championship on the Bucks before joining the Lakers. That combined with obscene number of All Star games, scoring titles, longevity, and other honors, makes his position pretty much unassailable.

How is that possible for Curry to surpass Bird?
Bird
3 x champion
3 x MVP
2 x FMVP
9 x 1st team all nba
3 x all nba defensive team

Curry
3 x champion
2 x MVP
0 x fmvp
3 x 1st team all nba
0 x all defensive team

Unless he suddenly wins 1 more MVP, fmvp and ring, i don’t think he has a chance to surpasses Bird at all. He’s in the 11-15th bracket right now.

[dhsilv2]

Damn! Are you seriously questioning robertson, cooper, and MJ winning DPOY??? and also saying that Bird getting three defensive team awards means nothing.

Questioning? I'm say it was flat out beyond idiotic for any of them to get it. Yes, I am saying Bird was never an all defensive team level defender.

Who cares wtf you think or say! It means more than anything I have ever said means. You are clearing my superior in every possible way.

Well that's nice of you to admit. Good job. Can you imagine if you really thought Jordan was a better defender than Hakeem? Like you'd have to be the dumbest man alive. I'm glad you realized you errors.

[Hroz]

Kobe 14 Hakeem 13 are way too low.
Steph / Oscar / David Robinson at 10-12 is way too high. These no Finals MVP players can drop the hell down that list now thanks.

Cute coming from a Rockets fan. You sure you'd want to meet Curry again in the playoffs?

I mean team him up with less of the top 20 players on the world and yeah I think we have a shot.

You can't seriously put Curry over Hakeem & Kobe?

[TheDoors24]

i didn't read all 11 pages but Steph over Kobe! lol. Kobe is now really underrated by young NBA fans.

[WarriorGM]

Kobe 14 Hakeem 13 are way too low.
Steph / Oscar / David Robinson at 10-12 is way too high. These no Finals MVP players can drop the hell down that list now thanks.

Cute coming from a Rockets fan. You sure you'd want to meet Curry again in the playoffs?

I mean team him up with less of the top 20 players on the world and yeah I think we have a shot.

You can't seriously put Curry over Hakeem & Kobe?

I don't see why it should be a shocking assertion. In terms of production numbers Curry has a better case because of his efficiency advantage. Most of the arguments based on Hakeem and Kobe will be reduced to vague notions of defence and Mamba mentality. Not that I'd dismiss those arguments but I don't see why they are superior to the arguments favoring Curry. Thing is Curry when compared to fixed standards that every player can be compared to checks the boxes.

[Ontario]

This is an absolute insult, Steph is number 1 far and away obviously someone has been hitting the bottle.... wait... what? It's not a question about shooting but actual basketball?

Ah, then yes Steph is ranked way too high, 25ish or so would be about right. Wilt at nine behind Duncan is silly Dwayne Wade and James Harden are both too high too. KD is at about the spot his talent should be but he himself has yet to live up to it.

[Edrees]

Top 10 seems really high for a guy who never won a finals MVP

By the same token, would you be comfortable putting Iguodala in the hall of fame because he led a team to a championship? Pretty much all other Finals MVP have been inducted into the Hall of Fame.

Doesn't matter if he doesn't have a finals MVP. He deserved one.

I still wouldn't put him in the Top 10, I have him around 15 right now. But if he were to win another title or MVP and even if he didn't have Finals MVP, I might consider him borderline Top 10 with consideration that he was the best player in a Finals series that he won.

[Triple7]

Questioning? I'm say it was flat out beyond idiotic for any of them to get it. Yes, I am saying Bird was never an all defensive team level defender.

Who cares wtf you think or say! It means more than anything I have ever said means. You are clearing my superior in every possible way.

Well that's nice of you to admit. Good job. Can you imagine if you really thought Jordan was a better defender than Hakeem? Like you'd have to be the dumbest man alive. I'm glad you realized you errors.

Bird winning 3 defensive team awards, and you say he’s not an all time team level defender? That has got to be the dumbest take ever. Who cares what your personal opinion is, the fact that he won, means a lot consider him an elite defender. You also questioned the legitimacy of MJ and Cooper winning DPOY award? That’s an even more dumb and stupid take! GTFO! dumb!

Plus you edited my reply, means you are probably 12 years old. If you are going to edit my post, at least make it more believable. what’s “ You are clearing my superior in every possible way” even mean? That has got to be one of the dumbest editing job i have seen ever Get a life dumb sh__!

[dhsilv2]

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Who cares wtf you think or say! It means more than anything I have ever said means. You are clearing my superior in every possible way.

Well that's nice of you to admit. Good job. Can you imagine if you really thought Jordan was a better defender than Hakeem? Like you'd have to be the dumbest man alive. I'm glad you realized you errors.

Bird winning 3 defensive team awards, and you say he’s not an all time team level defender? That has got to be the dumbest take ever. Who cares what your personal opinion is, the fact that he won, means a lot consider him an elite defender. You also questioned the legitimacy of MJ and Cooper winning DPOY award? That’s an even more dumb and stupid take! GTFO! dumb!

Plus you edited my reply, means you are probably 12 years old. If you are going to edit my post, at least make it more believable. what’s “ You are clearing my superior in every possible way” even mean? That has got to be one of the dumbest editing job i have seen ever

If you legit think MJ is a better defender than Hakeem, you really should seek help. I have to assume you're one of the 10 or so people under 15 on this board if you really think that.

[Yogatti]

[/b]

Who cares wtf you think or say! It means more than anything I have ever said means. You are clearing my superior in every possible way.

Well that's nice of you to admit. Good job. Can you imagine if you really thought Jordan was a better defender than Hakeem? Like you'd have to be the dumbest man alive. I'm glad you realized you errors.

Bird winning 3 defensive team awards, and you say he’s not an all time team level defender? That has got to be the dumbest take ever. Who cares what your personal opinion is, the fact that he won, means a lot consider him an elite defender. You also questioned the legitimacy of MJ and Cooper winning DPOY award? That’s an even more dumb and stupid take! GTFO! dumb!

Plus you edited my reply, means you are probably 12 years old. If you are going to edit my post, at least make it more believable. what’s “ You are clearing my superior in every possible way” even mean? That has got to be one of the dumbest editing job i have seen ever Get a life dumb sh__!

[Triple7]

[/b]

Well that's nice of you to admit. Good job. Can you imagine if you really thought Jordan was a better defender than Hakeem? Like you'd have to be the dumbest man alive. I'm glad you realized you errors.

Bird winning 3 defensive team awards, and you say he’s not an all time team level defender? That has got to be the dumbest take ever. Who cares what your personal opinion is, the fact that he won, means a lot consider him an elite defender. You also questioned the legitimacy of MJ and Cooper winning DPOY award? That’s an even more dumb and stupid take! GTFO! dumb!

Plus you edited my reply, means you are probably 12 years old. If you are going to edit my post, at least make it more believable. what’s “ You are clearing my superior in every possible way” even mean? That has got to be one of the dumbest editing job i have seen ever

If you legit think MJ is a better defender than Hakeem, you really should seek help. I have to assume you're one of the 10 or so people under 15 on this board if you really think that.

I never said MJ is better than Hakeem! When did i say that? unless you edited my post again! You were the one who said MJ didn’t deserve winning DPOY.

Plus: why did you edited my response???
I think you are the one who needs help. Editing somebody’s post. seriously??? That’s seem like what a child would do.

[dhsilv2]

Bird winning 3 defensive team awards, and you say he’s not an all time team level defender? That has got to be the dumbest take ever. Who cares what your personal opinion is, the fact that he won, means a lot consider him an elite defender. You also questioned the legitimacy of MJ and Cooper winning DPOY award? That’s an even more dumb and stupid take! GTFO! dumb!

Plus you edited my reply, means you are probably 12 years old. If you are going to edit my post, at least make it more believable. what’s “ You are clearing my superior in every possible way” even mean? That has got to be one of the dumbest editing job i have seen ever

If you legit think MJ is a better defender than Hakeem, you really should seek help. I have to assume you're one of the 10 or so people under 15 on this board if you really think that.

I never said MJ is better than Hakeem! When did i say that? unless you edited my post again! You were the one who said MJ didn’t deserve winning DPOY.

Plus: why did you edited my response???

If you think Jordan deserved his DPOY in 88 you have to think he was a better defender than Apex athlete hakeem in 88. I'm not sure what more needs to even be said. I honestly can't take you seriously if you think that. No guard in NBA history was more impactful than prime Hakeem and I"m not even sure he was the best defender in 88. Lets be real, Mark Eaton very well might have deserved 5-6 of the awards and again no version of Jordan or any wing was ever as good as 88 Eaton.

And I edited your response because if you want to be rude and childish, I'll make fun of it. If you want to argue that all nba selections have been good historically, well once again I"ll make fun of that. Sports writers in 80's were regional, they barely even saw players outside of their markets. Today even with all the coverage in the world guys like Leonard make first team, Klay makes all defensive teams...hell Kidd and Kobe might as well have worn a jersey with in large print (I do not even try on defense) and they kept making the all defensive teams for YEARS after they stopped even trying. The voters have been marginally good with centers and power forwards who play like centers and even there they're not great. So again you can be as silly and childish as you want, won't offended me, but I'll certainly make light of such posts.

Remember - Allen Iverson once finished top 3 in DPOY voting. These votes are jokes!

[Triple7]

If you legit think MJ is a better defender than Hakeem, you really should seek help. I have to assume you're one of the 10 or so people under 15 on this board if you really think that.

I never said MJ is better than Hakeem! When did i say that? unless you edited my post again! You were the one who said MJ didn’t deserve winning DPOY.

Plus: why did you edited my response???

If you think Jordan deserved his DPOY in 88 you have to think he was a better defender than Apex athlete hakeem in 88. I'm not sure what more needs to even be said. I honestly can't take you seriously if you think that. No guard in NBA history was more impactful than prime Hakeem and I"m not even sure he was the best defender in 88. Lets be real, Mark Eaton very well might have deserved 5-6 of the awards and again no version of Jordan or any wing was ever as good as 88 Eaton.

And I edited your response because if you want to be rude and childish, I'll make fun of it. If you want to argue that all nba selections have been good historically, well once again I"ll make fun of that. Sports writers in 80's were regional, they barely even saw players outside of their markets. Today even with all the coverage in the world guys like Leonard make first team, Klay makes all defensive teams...hell Kidd and Kobe might as well have worn a jersey with in large print (I do not even try on defense) and they kept making the all defensive teams for YEARS after they stopped even trying. The voters have been marginally good with centers and power forwards who play like centers and even there they're not great. So again you can be as silly and childish as you want, won't offended me, but I'll certainly make light of such posts. Remember - Allen Iverson once finished top 3 in DPOY voting. These votes are jokes!

First of, i don’t think MJ is a better defender than Hakeem. Why are you even assuming that? If you HATE MJ, then that’s your problem.
Second, it doesn’t matter if you felt i was being rude, it still doesn’t give you the right to “edit” posts. You just said that you’d like to make fun of it, now that’s being child like.
Next, who the hell cares if iverson finished top 3 in DPOY? Did he won?

This would be my last reply to you. Enjoy your miserable, sorry ass life loser!

Warned
No personal attacks please. Thank you

[Ballerhogger]

List also has David Robinson 12th. Over Hakeem.

Joke list really bad

[dhsilv2]

I never said MJ is better than Hakeem! When did i say that? unless you edited my post again! You were the one who said MJ didn’t deserve winning DPOY.

Plus: why did you edited my response???

If you think Jordan deserved his DPOY in 88 you have to think he was a better defender than Apex athlete hakeem in 88. I'm not sure what more needs to even be said. I honestly can't take you seriously if you think that. No guard in NBA history was more impactful than prime Hakeem and I"m not even sure he was the best defender in 88. Lets be real, Mark Eaton very well might have deserved 5-6 of the awards and again no version of Jordan or any wing was ever as good as 88 Eaton.

And I edited your response because if you want to be rude and childish, I'll make fun of it. If you want to argue that all nba selections have been good historically, well once again I"ll make fun of that. Sports writers in 80's were regional, they barely even saw players outside of their markets. Today even with all the coverage in the world guys like Leonard make first team, Klay makes all defensive teams...hell Kidd and Kobe might as well have worn a jersey with in large print (I do not even try on defense) and they kept making the all defensive teams for YEARS after they stopped even trying. The voters have been marginally good with centers and power forwards who play like centers and even there they're not great. So again you can be as silly and childish as you want, won't offended me, but I'll certainly make light of such posts. Remember - Allen Iverson once finished top 3 in DPOY voting. These votes are jokes!

First of, i don’t think MJ is a better defender than Hakeem. Why are you even assuming that? If you HATE MJ, then that’s your problem.
Second, it doesn’t matter if you felt i was being rude, it still doesn’t give you the right to “edit” posts. You just said that you’d like to make fun of it, now that’s being child like.
Next, who the hell cares if iverson finished top 3 in DPOY? Did he won?

This would be my last reply to you. Enjoy your miserable, sorry ass life loser!

So you now agree than MJ didn't deserve DPOY....showing that the defensive awards often go to players not deserving, making my point. Glad you could come around despite and make my point for me.