Steph Top 10 All Time - According to Bleacher report

[michaelm]

Kobe 14 Hakeem 13 are way too low.
Steph / Oscar / David Robinson at 10-12 is way too high. These no Finals MVP players can drop the hell down that list now thanks.

Cute coming from a Rockets fan. You sure you'd want to meet Curry again in the playoffs?

I mean team him up with less of the top 20 players on the world and yeah I think we have a shot.

You can't seriously put Curry over Hakeem & Kobe?

Durant joined Curry and not the other way around, and as a FA having served out his previous contract, and the team unlike the Rockets was otherwise organically formed/pretty much homegrown.

If the GSW organisation is better at building teams than the Rockets organisation that is hardly the Warriors’ problem, but rather yours. The Rockets did take their best shot at building/buying a team to compete with the KD Warriors rather than despairing like some others for which I for one credit them. I don’t recall Curry having great problems with the Rockets other than their court being slippery prior to KD though.

Curry’s eventual status can be evaluated at the end of his career. I wouldn’t rate him with Kobe or Hakeem myself at this point in time, but another title would get him into the discussion with those guys imo as others have argued.

[michaelm]

This is an absolute insult, Steph is number 1 far and away obviously someone has been hitting the bottle.... wait... what? It's not a question about shooting but actual basketball?

Ah, then yes Steph is ranked way too high, 25ish or so would be about right. Wilt at nine behind Duncan is silly Dwayne Wade and James Harden are both too high too. KD is at about the spot his talent should be but he himself has yet to live up to it.

So each of Durant and Curry is only successful because of the other and neither is all that great individually?. If GSW in 2017 in particular were an unfair team as many have argued, and were one of the greatest play-off teams as their record indicates then this was down to both players. Most other great teams have also had more than 1 great player.

[pootbrah]

Dudes absolutely ridiculous and your talking to the biggest big man dick rider and score first point guard hater going around. Yet I can't hate on a top 10 judgement at all

[CodeBreaker]

Curry is definitely top 15 as of the moment. BR is overrating Steph here

I can still list 10 guys that are greater than Curry

Jordan
LeBron
Magic
Kareem
Shaq
Duncan
Kobe
Russell
Bird
Wilt

[Ontario]

This is an absolute insult, Steph is number 1 far and away obviously someone has been hitting the bottle.... wait... what? It's not a question about shooting but actual basketball?

Ah, then yes Steph is ranked way too high, 25ish or so would be about right. Wilt at nine behind Duncan is silly Dwayne Wade and James Harden are both too high too. KD is at about the spot his talent should be but he himself has yet to live up to it.

So each of Durant and Curry is only successful because of the other and neither is all that great individually?. If GSW in 2017 in particular were an unfair team as many have argued, and were one of the greatest play-off teams as their record indicates then this was down to both players. Most other great teams have also had more than 1 great player.

Steph is the perfect guy in the perfect in the perfect system in the perfect era with the perfect coach all of those things are working together in a perfect storm to create a truly amazing career. But if you took Steph away from that additional synergy and dropped him in a gym some other time and place he wouldn't be the same guy, that's why it is silly to call him a better basketball player than Kobe Bryant for instance 14th on the list. If you are comparing "Careers" then maybe sure, but if you're comparing "Players" then Kobe just has way more tools and utility on both side of the ball.

As for Kev, he just doesn't want to work for it. Talent for miles but no perseverance.

BTW me calling them over-rated by 5-15 spots on a top 50 all time list is hardly "neither is all that great".

[Hroz]

Cute coming from a Rockets fan. You sure you'd want to meet Curry again in the playoffs?

I mean team him up with less of the top 20 players on the world and yeah I think we have a shot.

You can't seriously put Curry over Hakeem & Kobe?

I don't see why it should be a shocking assertion. In terms of production numbers Curry has a better case because of his efficiency advantage. Most of the arguments based on Hakeem and Kobe will be reduced to vague notions of defence and Mamba mentality. Not that I'd dismiss those arguments but I don't see why they are superior to the arguments favoring Curry. Thing is Curry when compared to fixed standards that every player can be compared to checks the boxes.

Hakeem won a championship with Kenny Smith as his 2nd best player. Think about that for a second. And was the 2nd best player of his generation only 2nd to Jordan. If he had a competent front office who knows what he could've been.

Can you give me arguments favouring Curry? He's more efficient in a league that no longer has hand checking and wants a more open game free flowing game?

Put Hakeem in this generation see how he does against these fake Cs

[Hroz]

Cute coming from a Rockets fan. You sure you'd want to meet Curry again in the playoffs?

I mean team him up with less of the top 20 players on the world and yeah I think we have a shot.

You can't seriously put Curry over Hakeem & Kobe?

Durant joined Curry and not the other way around, and as a FA having served out his previous contract, and the team unlike the Rockets was otherwise organically formed/pretty much homegrown.

If the GSW organisation is better at building teams than the Rockets organisation that is hardly the Warriors’ problem, but rather yours. The Rockets did take their best shot at building/buying a team to compete with the KD Warriors rather than despairing like some others for which I for one credit them. I don’t recall Curry having great problems with the Rockets other than their court being slippery prior to KD though.

Curry’s eventual status can be evaluated at the end of his career. I wouldn’t rate him with Kobe or Hakeem myself at this point in time, but another title would get him into the discussion with those guys imo as others have argued.

This is an argument about Hakeem Kobe vs Curry. That's how my comments should've taken. And the complete overeating of Curry.

Don't get me wrong great player. But I think you agree not in Olajuwon / Kobe realm, but you're right yet*.

As we know some championships aren't the equal of others

[michaelm]

This is an absolute insult, Steph is number 1 far and away obviously someone has been hitting the bottle.... wait... what? It's not a question about shooting but actual basketball?

Ah, then yes Steph is ranked way too high, 25ish or so would be about right. Wilt at nine behind Duncan is silly Dwayne Wade and James Harden are both too high too. KD is at about the spot his talent should be but he himself has yet to live up to it.

So each of Durant and Curry is only successful because of the other and neither is all that great individually?. If GSW in 2017 in particular were an unfair team as many have argued, and were one of the greatest play-off teams as their record indicates then this was down to both players. Most other great teams have also had more than 1 great player.

Steph is the perfect guy in the perfect in the perfect system in the perfect era with the perfect coach all of those things are working together in a perfect storm to create a truly amazing career. But if you took Steph away from that additional synergy and dropped him in a gym some other time and place he wouldn't be the same guy, that's why it is silly to call him a better basketball player than Kobe Bryant for instance 14th on the list. If you are comparing "Careers" then maybe sure, but if you're comparing "Players" then Kobe just has way more tools and utility on both side of the ball.

As for Kev, he just doesn't want to work for it. Talent for miles but no perseverance.

BTW me calling them over-rated by 5-15 spots on a top 50 all time list is hardly "neither is all that great".

I specifically don’t rate him ahead or even with Kareem or Kobe at this time as I have said on this thread, and yes Kobe did have the ability to dominate on both sides of the ball although he wasn’t consistent in doing so defensively over his whole career.

I am not a great believer in deciding on the eventual rating of players while they are still playing with some exceptions such as Jordan, and Duncan who had done enough by the end of his career even though he was still playing. I don’t have much problem with Curry and Durant being rated 16 to 25 at this particular point in time if people want to rate them either.

My point was a point in logic, perhaps not Hakeem but most great players have played with other great players, even Jordan given I rate Pippen and to an extent Rodman very highly, and indeed Kobe himself won with either Shaq or Gasol. I don’t see why Curry playing with Durant or vice versa is different. Curry can also only operate under the circumstances prevailing during his career, and your assessment of how he would perform in other eras is pure speculation, and as usual you ignore his playmaking ability and facilitation of team-mates, which I don’t think Durant experienced overly at OKC and may similarly find not particularly prominent when he plays with Kyrie. I wish him well btw other than when he plays GSW, and one of the many unfortunate aspects relating to his injury is that he is unlikely to regain his full previous physical prowess to help him further prove his worth post GSW.

[SpreeS]

I mean team him up with less of the top 20 players on the world and yeah I think we have a shot.

You can't seriously put Curry over Hakeem & Kobe?

I don't see why it should be a shocking assertion. In terms of production numbers Curry has a better case because of his efficiency advantage. Most of the arguments based on Hakeem and Kobe will be reduced to vague notions of defence and Mamba mentality. Not that I'd dismiss those arguments but I don't see why they are superior to the arguments favoring Curry. Thing is Curry when compared to fixed standards that every player can be compared to checks the boxes.

Hakeem won a championship with Kenny Smith as his 2nd best player. Think about that for a second. And was the 2nd best player of his generation only 2nd to Jordan. If he had a competent front office who knows what he could've been.

Can you give me arguments favouring Curry? He's more efficient in a league that no longer has hand checking and wants a more open game free flowing game?

Put Hakeem in this generation see how he does against these fake Cs

Hakeem is GOAT

K.Smith as second best player in Finals 94

PTS 5.6 AST 3.1 TS .505

Wow Curry need to win with Livingston as second best player to compete with Hakeem on GOAT list. Absurd....

[Johnny Bball]

Easily. Best shooter ever probably.

Lmfao at some of the slants about curry from a bunch of bitter children lately.

[WarriorGM]

I mean team him up with less of the top 20 players on the world and yeah I think we have a shot.

You can't seriously put Curry over Hakeem & Kobe?

I don't see why it should be a shocking assertion. In terms of production numbers Curry has a better case because of his efficiency advantage. Most of the arguments based on Hakeem and Kobe will be reduced to vague notions of defence and Mamba mentality. Not that I'd dismiss those arguments but I don't see why they are superior to the arguments favoring Curry. Thing is Curry when compared to fixed standards that every player can be compared to checks the boxes.

Hakeem won a championship with Kenny Smith as his 2nd best player. Think about that for a second. And was the 2nd best player of his generation only 2nd to Jordan. If he had a competent front office who knows what he could've been.

Can you give me arguments favouring Curry? He's more efficient in a league that no longer has hand checking and wants a more open game free flowing game?

Put Hakeem in this generation see how he does against these fake Cs

According to Basketball Reference the championship odds for the Rockets before the 1994 season began was +1200. The championship odds for the Warriors right before the 2015 season was +2800. I consider Curry the best player of his generation. Who are you going to put ahead of him?

Arguments for Curry? Curry prompted the rise of switching defenses that has made unskilled bigs an endangered species. That's probably had a bigger affect for players playing Hakeem's position than Hakeem himself has had.

Put Curry in Hakeem's time and guards would learn from his example and become more dangerous. A closer 3-point line would only magnify his impact.

[SpreeS]

Hakeem's PO opponents at C position on championship run in 94

1st rnd Chris Dudley, Mark Bryant
2nd rnd Oliver Miller, Joe Klein, Mark West
3rd rnd Felton Spencer
Finals P.Ewing

It could be the weakest opponents list on championship run for ATG player.

[Hellcrooner]

he is not even top 30

and if he had fallen in a different team, that brought him no help at all he would not even make a conversation about top 100.

he is the biggest fraud of the 2010s.

[michaelm]

I don't see why it should be a shocking assertion. In terms of production numbers Curry has a better case because of his efficiency advantage. Most of the arguments based on Hakeem and Kobe will be reduced to vague notions of defence and Mamba mentality. Not that I'd dismiss those arguments but I don't see why they are superior to the arguments favoring Curry. Thing is Curry when compared to fixed standards that every player can be compared to checks the boxes.

Hakeem won a championship with Kenny Smith as his 2nd best player. Think about that for a second. And was the 2nd best player of his generation only 2nd to Jordan. If he had a competent front office who knows what he could've been.

Can you give me arguments favouring Curry? He's more efficient in a league that no longer has hand checking and wants a more open game free flowing game?

Put Hakeem in this generation see how he does against these fake Cs

Hakeem is GOAT

K.Smith as second best player in Finals 94

PTS 5.6 AST 3.1 TS .505

Wow Curry need to win with Livingston as second best player to compete with Hakeem on GOAT list. Absurd....[/quote

They had the supporting casts they had, and I rather suspect neither had any influence on the respective supporting casts of the other.

Curry had the supporting cast he had because he is Curry, btw.

[WarriorGM]

Hakeem won a championship with Kenny Smith as his 2nd best player. Think about that for a second. And was the 2nd best player of his generation only 2nd to Jordan. If he had a competent front office who knows what he could've been.

Can you give me arguments favouring Curry? He's more efficient in a league that no longer has hand checking and wants a more open game free flowing game?

Put Hakeem in this generation see how he does against these fake Cs

Hakeem is GOAT

K.Smith as second best player in Finals 94

PTS 5.6 AST 3.1 TS .505

Wow Curry need to win with Livingston as second best player to compete with Hakeem on GOAT list. Absurd....

Was Clyde Derexler dead for tax reasons during those finals ?.

They had the supporting casts they had in any case, and I rather suspect neither had any influence on the respective supporting casts of the other.

Curry had the supporting cast he had because he is Curry, btw.

SpreeS was being sarcastic. The Rockets had 5 other players aside from Hakeem who scored more than Kenny in the 1994 finals.

[dhsilv2]

I don't see why it should be a shocking assertion. In terms of production numbers Curry has a better case because of his efficiency advantage. Most of the arguments based on Hakeem and Kobe will be reduced to vague notions of defence and Mamba mentality. Not that I'd dismiss those arguments but I don't see why they are superior to the arguments favoring Curry. Thing is Curry when compared to fixed standards that every player can be compared to checks the boxes.

Hakeem won a championship with Kenny Smith as his 2nd best player. Think about that for a second. And was the 2nd best player of his generation only 2nd to Jordan. If he had a competent front office who knows what he could've been.

Can you give me arguments favouring Curry? He's more efficient in a league that no longer has hand checking and wants a more open game free flowing game?

Put Hakeem in this generation see how he does against these fake Cs

Hakeem is GOAT

K.Smith as second best player in Finals 94

PTS 5.6 AST 3.1 TS .505

Wow Curry need to win with Livingston as second best player to compete with Hakeem on GOAT list. Absurd....

We're really going to let the absurd idea that Smith was the second best player on the rockets slide? Seriously? That's got to be one of the oddest takes of all time.

[michaelm]

Hakeem is GOAT

K.Smith as second best player in Finals 94

PTS 5.6 AST 3.1 TS .505

Wow Curry need to win with Livingston as second best player to compete with Hakeem on GOAT list. Absurd....

Was Clyde Derexler dead for tax reasons during those finals ?.

They had the supporting casts they had in any case, and I rather suspect neither had any influence on the respective supporting casts of the other.

Curry had the supporting cast he had because he is Curry, btw.

SpreeS was being sarcastic. The Rockets had 5 other players aside from Hakeem who scored more than Kenny in the 1994 finals.

Sure, I mixed up the 2 title years as well.

No doubt Hakeem was one of the best centers ever, and Curry is equally I would have thought one of the best PGs ever.

I readily accede to Curry not being as good a center as Hakeem, and to Hakeem being an an all-tome great and probably somewhat under-rated. Hardly Curry’s fault if you can build a team around him though.

[michaelm]

Hakeem won a championship with Kenny Smith as his 2nd best player. Think about that for a second. And was the 2nd best player of his generation only 2nd to Jordan. If he had a competent front office who knows what he could've been.

Can you give me arguments favouring Curry? He's more efficient in a league that no longer has hand checking and wants a more open game free flowing game?

Put Hakeem in this generation see how he does against these fake Cs

Hakeem is GOAT

K.Smith as second best player in Finals 94

PTS 5.6 AST 3.1 TS .505

Wow Curry need to win with Livingston as second best player to compete with Hakeem on GOAT list. Absurd....

We're really going to let the absurd idea that Smith was the second best player on the rockets slide? Seriously? That's got to be one of the oddest takes of all time.

Yhe poster’s name may be a clue to sarcastic/ironic intent.

[koningcosmo]

choking away 2 finals and winning zero FMVP's is top 10 all time??? the biggest games with most pressure in his carreer and curry shoots 6-19 fg 4-14 3pts in game 7 vs the Cavs . Game 6 vs TOR he shot 6-17 fg 3-11 3pts. we honostly put this guy in the top 10??? he wasnt even better then KD last 3 years.

[dhsilv2]

Hakeem is GOAT

K.Smith as second best player in Finals 94

PTS 5.6 AST 3.1 TS .505

Wow Curry need to win with Livingston as second best player to compete with Hakeem on GOAT list. Absurd....

Was Clyde Derexler dead for tax reasons during those finals ?.

They had the supporting casts they had in any case, and I rather suspect neither had any influence on the respective supporting casts of the other.

Curry had the supporting cast he had because he is Curry, btw.

SpreeS was being sarcastic. The Rockets had 5 other players aside from Hakeem who scored more than Kenny in the 1994 finals.

God I hope so. And what 10 better defenders?