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Media Day 2019-2020, 9/30 at 11 AM

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Re: Media Day 2019-2020, 9/30 at 11 AM 

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Post#62 » by shadrock » Tue Oct 1, 2019 12:31 am

pepe1991 wrote:Fultz also decided to "seek for more opinions" after Brown removed him from starting lineup.
First thing he did with Orlando was took a job at Brown .

He also posted that" Mamba mentality" or whatever
He also posted video on instagram with speech of batteling adversity like it's somebody's fault he was out for so long.

Let's not get it twisted , this kid has huge ego. Playing at that level you have to have one. Now it's just question is his ego something that will drive him away from sucess ( Hezonja) or toward sucess ( Jordan, Lebron... ) is up to him to show.


Great post. Its interesting you speak of ego as almost being a requirement of someone at that level. Id never thought of it as something positive, usually only as something negative that gets in the way. It is about time we got an alpha on this team. We need someone to take the reigns for us. Tbh, IF Fultz can be a star, then he really couldnt ask to have much of a better supporting cast around him. The rest of our lineup are the PERFECT supporting cast for an A-grade star. Think of it this way, would you prefer the Bucks lineup without Giannis or our lineup without Fultz? Id say our lineup is better personally.

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Re: Media Day 2019-2020, 9/30 at 11 AM 

Post#64 » by pepe1991 » Tue Oct 1, 2019 5:54 am

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They all look the same...and allegedly they (combined for ) additional what ? 50 pounds?
Typical nba summer crap
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Re: Media Day 2019-2020, 9/30 at 11 AM 

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Re: Media Day 2019-2020, 9/30 at 11 AM 

Post#66 » by MagicFrenchie » Tue Oct 1, 2019 7:33 am

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They all look the same...and allegedly they (combined for ) additional what ? 50 pounds?
Typical nba summer crap


No they all look slight heavier, but I'm schoked of how tall now ISAAC is :o :o
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Post#67 » by pepe1991 » Tue Oct 1, 2019 10:17 am

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They all look the same...and allegedly they (combined for ) additional what ? 50 pounds?
Typical nba summer crap


No they all look slight heavier, but I'm schoked of how tall now ISAAC is :o :o


He is legit 6'10- 6'11 guy without shoes. Witch makes even less sense to draft center after drafting him,because in few years he would make perfect mobile ,streach C, instad of havnig him at wing.
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Re: Media Day 2019-2020, 9/30 at 11 AM 

Post#68 » by paperboymafia » Tue Oct 1, 2019 11:19 am

Bamba is definitely bigger. Look at his neck.
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Either the lighting is VERY different in these two photos, or these three had a lot of beach time this summer.

EDIT: All three are much, much more serious in this photo of this year.

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Post#70 » by drsd » Tue Oct 1, 2019 12:04 pm

pepe1991 wrote:He is legit 6'10- 6'11 guy without shoes. Witch makes even less sense to draft center after drafting him,because in few years he would make perfect mobile ,streach C, instad of havnig him at wing.


Isaac looks like he's a legit 6'12" now!
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Post#71 » by Blue_and_Whte » Tue Oct 1, 2019 12:29 pm

paperboymafia wrote:Bamba is definitely bigger. Look at his neck.

That’s because he’s standing with his shoulders raised facing the camera as opposed to arms down, almost standing sideways. He’s basically the same. I though JI looked a little bigger. Like Pepe said, summer bs story lines. Embiid will put back at least 10 lbs during the season. Guys always look in great shape before the season starts because all they do is lift weights/train.
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Re: Media Day 2019-2020, 9/30 at 11 AM 

Post#72 » by OrlChamps2030 » Tue Oct 1, 2019 1:40 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
paperboymafia wrote:Bamba is definitely bigger. Look at his neck.

That’s because he’s standing with his shoulders raised facing the camera as opposed to arms down, almost standing sideways. He’s basically the same. I though JI looked a little bigger. Like Pepe said, summer bs story lines. Embiid will put back at least 10 lbs during the season. Guys always look in great shape before the season starts because all they do is lift weights/train.


Yea Isaac looks a little bit more filled out but Bamba looks the same
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Re: Media Day 2019-2020, 9/30 at 11 AM 

Post#73 » by magicman112 » Tue Oct 1, 2019 2:42 pm

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paperboymafia wrote:Bamba is definitely bigger. Look at his neck.

That’s because he’s standing with his shoulders raised facing the camera as opposed to arms down, almost standing sideways. He’s basically the same. I though JI looked a little bigger. Like Pepe said, summer bs story lines. Embiid will put back at least 10 lbs during the season. Guys always look in great shape before the season starts because all they do is lift weights/train.


Yea Isaac looks a little bit more filled out but Bamba looks the same


JI has definitely put some size on. Not a huge amount but it's noticeable as I said in another post I almost didn't recognize him when I saw him on the court with the USA Select Team this summer.
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Re: Media Day 2019-2020, 9/30 at 11 AM 

Post#74 » by Bakomagic » Tue Oct 1, 2019 3:42 pm

Doesn’t matter if guys say they are stronger, look bigger, or actually are stronger . What matters is if they play stronger.

People were arguing last preseason whether or not Isaac was bigger/stronger or whether he could keep from losing his gained weight.

Didn’t matter, we saw that he was now strong enough to be able to finish in the paint through contact more often, whereas before he would fumble the ball when a defender made contact with his body while contesting his shot.

The hope now imo is that he is also strong enough this year to not be as easily moved off his spot as a post defender.

How strong you are able to play is what matters imo.

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I understand that so far all we can go by is pictures and quotes until the games and practices begin.
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Re: Media Day 2019-2020, 9/30 at 11 AM 

Post#75 » by Xatticus » Thu Oct 3, 2019 1:10 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
SOUL wrote:As good as DJ was he still couldn't pass the ball in half of the games. Its obvious the offense suffered in that regard. Even Lowe highlighted in that Isaac article how he would stand there with his hands up wide open. It wasn't some mirage that our point guard and passing skills to open players were lacking in that area. If Fultz can do that....


That's very unfair point toward DJ.
Guy had the best assist to turnover ratio among all point guards.
That thing does not happen if he is throwing 30 foot passes across the court just because somebody is wide open. Especially because in this case Isaac is open because teams don't guard him as part of gameplan.
Especially in Clifford offense that is based around not turning ball over.

Per 36 min DJ averaged 7 apg on 2 TO. That's elite.
DJ has some fair other problems ( size, man to man defense, creating offense off bounce, attacking off dribble... ) but passing really isn't one of them.


He's a miserable distributor. His stats benefited greatly from running the two-man game with Vucevic, but he is incapable of finding anyone else on the floor when they are running the pick-and-roll.

He simply isn't a point guard. He has deficient vision, athleticism, and size. He doesn't see open teammates and he can't use his dribble to create passing lanes. His inability to find open teammates is why Toronto brought a weak-side defender to attack our pick-and-roll with impunity. It's not a mystery where the open player is when a defense aggressively closes out the roll man, but Augustin can't make that pass until he has dribbled all the way under the basket.
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Re: Media Day 2019-2020, 9/30 at 11 AM 

Post#76 » by j-ragg » Thu Oct 3, 2019 1:15 pm

Xatticus wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
SOUL wrote:As good as DJ was he still couldn't pass the ball in half of the games. Its obvious the offense suffered in that regard. Even Lowe highlighted in that Isaac article how he would stand there with his hands up wide open. It wasn't some mirage that our point guard and passing skills to open players were lacking in that area. If Fultz can do that....


That's very unfair point toward DJ.
Guy had the best assist to turnover ratio among all point guards.
That thing does not happen if he is throwing 30 foot passes across the court just because somebody is wide open. Especially because in this case Isaac is open because teams don't guard him as part of gameplan.
Especially in Clifford offense that is based around not turning ball over.

Per 36 min DJ averaged 7 apg on 2 TO. That's elite.
DJ has some fair other problems ( size, man to man defense, creating offense off bounce, attacking off dribble... ) but passing really isn't one of them.


He's a miserable distributor. His stats benefited greatly from running the two-man game with Vucevic, but he is incapable of finding anyone else on the floor when they are running the pick-and-roll.

He simply isn't a point guard. He has deficient vision, athleticism, and size. He doesn't see open teammates and he can't use his dribble to create passing lanes. His inability to find open teammates is why Toronto brought a weak-side defender to attack our pick-and-roll with impunity. It's not a mystery where the open player is when a defense aggressively closes out the roll man, but Augustin can't make that pass until he has dribbled all the way under the basket.

Dj would be perfect for a team like Philly or LAL. He’s Steph lite in terms of point guard efficiency here ever since he became the starter. But yes the constant dribbling with his head down while guys move off ball gets old. I try to taper my expectations for him though because he was one of my least favorite players in the league when he was backing up Elf. Now he’s extremely serviceable which is good, just a little tougher with a bunch of young guys who can’t really create much and need to rely on a playmaker at points throughout the game.
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Re: Media Day 2019-2020, 9/30 at 11 AM 

Post#77 » by pepe1991 » Thu Oct 3, 2019 2:55 pm

Xatticus wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
SOUL wrote:As good as DJ was he still couldn't pass the ball in half of the games. Its obvious the offense suffered in that regard. Even Lowe highlighted in that Isaac article how he would stand there with his hands up wide open. It wasn't some mirage that our point guard and passing skills to open players were lacking in that area. If Fultz can do that....


That's very unfair point toward DJ.
Guy had the best assist to turnover ratio among all point guards.
That thing does not happen if he is throwing 30 foot passes across the court just because somebody is wide open. Especially because in this case Isaac is open because teams don't guard him as part of gameplan.
Especially in Clifford offense that is based around not turning ball over.

Per 36 min DJ averaged 7 apg on 2 TO. That's elite.
DJ has some fair other problems ( size, man to man defense, creating offense off bounce, attacking off dribble... ) but passing really isn't one of them.


He's a miserable distributor. His stats benefited greatly from running the two-man game with Vucevic, but he is incapable of finding anyone else on the floor when they are running the pick-and-roll.

He simply isn't a point guard. He has deficient vision, athleticism, and size. He doesn't see open teammates and he can't use his dribble to create passing lanes. His inability to find open teammates is why Toronto brought a weak-side defender to attack our pick-and-roll with impunity. It's not a mystery where the open player is when a defense aggressively closes out the roll man, but Augustin can't make that pass until he has dribbled all the way under the basket.


You base this on eye test that does not hold up once you run stats for it.

Miserable distributor who averages more potential assists : Kemba Walker , Spance Dinwiddie, Gordan Dragić, Kriss Dunn, Lonzo Ball and even Steph Curry?
And is only 1,0 potential assist away from "pure point guard" Rubio and nba's favorite child Doncic?

he is small, that's his limitation as a passer as well ,because he can't see over defenders, but he is good and smart passer, that's why he made Magic offense work, because he simply didn't try stupid stuff. And he is perfect type of point guard for Clifford's system, because he keeps TOs lower than any other starting PG.


Driving. With 10,2 drives a game he drive at rim more than: Oladipo, Brogdon, Ben Simmons, Wade, Cj Mcullum, Evan Fournier, Winslow, Derick White, Andrew Wiggins, Lowry, Garry Harris, Eric Gordon.... Matter of fact he was in middle of first page on nba.coc sorted by drives by guards, witch actually makes him one of best driving guards.

But let's go even deeper:
effective FG% in situations where he is ballhandler in pick&roll:
50,06%.
Who belonged in that category with him: Luka Dončić, John Wall, Devin Booker and Donovan Mitchell. Slightly above with 51,3%- Kemba Walker

And when we talk about him we simply can't ignore how great of a catch&shoot guy he is.
44,5% for 3 in that situations. Context: Steph Curry is 44,6% three point shooter and guy like Otto Porter who lead league in 3% for few years -was actually worst than him last year in it.

So overall, yes, Magic could improve PG position ,especially on defense, but replacing DJ Augustin with some sort of Elfrid- lite PG , guy who can't really shoot , can't really spot up, and can't control TOs ( God forbid MCW ever starting), on already shaky Magic offense that is runned around Vuc and Ross could be actually huge setback for playoff plans.

btw i agree he still in perfect world is backup PG, and he would be perfect guard for team like Philly, and that his skills would make him much better shooting guard, if he had body for play it, but looking at Magic, his ability to shoot was pivotal for Magic playoffs.
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