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[Knicksfan1992]

I can believe Morris more than most guys, it was more a general statement

But you gotta admit, we've heard this same spiel every year, and the team absolutely does not walk the walk

yeah definitely we've had FA"s do that before that's why I mentioned Brandon Jennings in my previous post about it.

He sure was tough picking on 3rd string PGs at half court

How about Joakim "I wanna be an animal for the city" Noah. I get his body was broken down, but still applies

I'm just sick of hearing it every year. I want to see results. Not even really results, just effort at least. That was the one thing I never got on Burke about was, he was an objectively bad defender, but he was at least out there giving effort as far as I saw. Similar thing with DSJ, he's not a naturally great defender, but I don't see him as lazy, he does put the effort in and his metrics are solid, which backs up what I see from the eye test

The thing is, out of the three of Morris/Randle/Knox, at least one of them is gonna have to be benched, and no matter who you pick, it's not a good choice. Especially because Morris is the only one who's any good on defense, so if our theme is defense/toughness first, Knox isn't touching the floor, and Randle shouldn't be getting many minutes. Which is why I don't want to hear it because we just don't have the personnel to be a gritty, defensive team first and foremost

Just don't bullsh*t me with that. We're gonna be at best average on defense with our personnel. I just want to see them giving effort.

I think the Randle/Morris/Knox situation isn't as dire as you make it seem. They're all going to find minutes. I think Fiz will go with a 11-12 man rotation to start and then it will wittle down from there. I personally think Marcus gets traded, especially if Knox can show some efficiency in a smaller role. I think those 3 will actually play at least 5-10 minutes together every game and I think people are projecting Mitch for too many minutes. I still think he will hover around 25-30 mpg especially since he will have his foul trouble games.

And I know what you're saying as a cynical person, but what exactly do you want them to say? "We plan on being average on defense!" CMon dude... These are people at the top of their profession who have to have extreme confidence in what they do to be as successful as they are.

[melo4three]

I can believe Morris more than most guys, it was more a general statement

But you gotta admit, we've heard this same spiel every year, and the team absolutely does not walk the walk

yeah definitely we've had FA"s do that before that's why I mentioned Brandon Jennings in my previous post about it.

He sure was tough picking on 3rd string PGs at half court

How about Joakim "I wanna be an animal for the city" Noah. I get his body was broken down, but still applies

I'm just sick of hearing it every year. I want to see results. Not even really results, just effort at least. That was the one thing I never got on Burke about was, he was an objectively bad defender, but he was at least out there giving effort as far as I saw. Similar thing with DSJ, he's not a naturally great defender, but I don't see him as lazy, he does put the effort in and his metrics are solid, which backs up what I see from the eye test

The thing is, out of the three of Morris/Randle/Knox, at least one of them is gonna have to be benched, and no matter who you pick, it's not a good choice. Especially because Morris is the only one who's any good on defense, so if our theme is defense/toughness first, Knox isn't touching the floor, and Randle shouldn't be getting many minutes. Which is why I don't want to hear it because we just don't have the personnel to be a gritty, defensive team first and foremost

Just don't bullsh*t me with that. We're gonna be at best average on defense with our personnel. I just want to see them giving effort.

Grizz were able to be elite with zbo on defense, he was way worse than Randle on that end. Randle is the best player on the Knicks it’s not close, he can backpack the Knicks to the playoffs.


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[DOT]

think this team will protect the garden. Lets be honest, last years roster cant compare to this one.

Protect the Garden with Kanter and Mudiay starting. Yeah okay.....

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[god shammgod]

Protect the Garden with Kanter and Mudiay starting. Yeah okay.....

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Like I said if we can keep this up all year this is a great start. Add Kp in there and the development of Mitch and we could be looking at a top defensive team for years.

This is with Hardaway and Kanter. Or is it more Frank impact? I even saw Knox playing better D in Brooklyn.

jesus

[DOT]

yeah definitely we've had FA"s do that before that's why I mentioned Brandon Jennings in my previous post about it.

He sure was tough picking on 3rd string PGs at half court

How about Joakim "I wanna be an animal for the city" Noah. I get his body was broken down, but still applies

I'm just sick of hearing it every year. I want to see results. Not even really results, just effort at least. That was the one thing I never got on Burke about was, he was an objectively bad defender, but he was at least out there giving effort as far as I saw. Similar thing with DSJ, he's not a naturally great defender, but I don't see him as lazy, he does put the effort in and his metrics are solid, which backs up what I see from the eye test

The thing is, out of the three of Morris/Randle/Knox, at least one of them is gonna have to be benched, and no matter who you pick, it's not a good choice. Especially because Morris is the only one who's any good on defense, so if our theme is defense/toughness first, Knox isn't touching the floor, and Randle shouldn't be getting many minutes. Which is why I don't want to hear it because we just don't have the personnel to be a gritty, defensive team first and foremost

Just don't bullsh*t me with that. We're gonna be at best average on defense with our personnel. I just want to see them giving effort.

I think the Randle/Morris/Knox situation isn't as dire as you make it seem. They're all going to find minutes. I think Fiz will go with a 11-12 man rotation to start and then it will wittle down from there. I personally think Marcus gets traded, especially if Knox can show some efficiency in a smaller role. I think those 3 will actually play at least 5-10 minutes together every game and I think people are projecting Mitch for too many minutes. I still think he will hover around 25-30 mpg especially since he will have his foul trouble games.

And I know what you're saying as a cynical person, but what exactly do you want them to say? "We plan on being average on defense!" CMon dude... These are people at the top of their profession who have to have extreme confidence in what they do to be as successful as they are.

They would, if you don't introduce Mitch and Portis into the equation, who also both want and think they deserve minutes. Our problem is we're deep, but nobody's particularly amazing. We have a lot of really decent players who all have a case for getting at least 20-25 minutes

And I'm not being cynical about Morris saying it, it's something I expect to hear. I'm still talking about people acting like we don't go through this song and dance every year

[god shammgod]

being tough don't actually lead to wins anyway, being talented does. hopefully rj looks good, randle takes another step and some of our young guys do too. that's what you need more than being tough. that's more important than morris or portis punching someone.

[DOT]

being tough don't actually lead to wins anyway, being talented does. hopefully rj looks good, randle takes another step and some of our young guys do too. that's what you need more than being tough. that's more important than morris or portis punching someone.

I mean, it does lead to more wins, but it's not really something you can entirely build your team around (unless you're the 00s Pistons, but even then they're a massive outlier), but yeah. Developing our youth should be priority #1

[Besart19]

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So, from my projected lineups to this

Smith / Payton / Frank
Barrett / Wayne / Trier
Morris / Bullock / Dotson
Randle / Knox / Iggy
Portis / Gibson / Mitch

[BeagleBoss]

"Talk is cheap, play the game!" - Tom Coughlin

It doesn't matter where you were drafted, how tough you are or if you grew and are now 6'8" without shoes. The best 9-10 players should play. I'm tired of the meaningless yap.

[F N 11]

Protect the Garden with Kanter and Mudiay starting. Yeah okay.....

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What is this supposed to prove? October 21st lol, whats that 2 games in?

[F N 11]

Protect the Garden with Kanter and Mudiay starting. Yeah okay.....

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Like I said if we can keep this up all year this is a great start. Add Kp in there and the development of Mitch and we could be looking at a top defensive team for years.

This is with Hardaway and Kanter. Or is it more Frank impact? I even saw Knox playing better D in Brooklyn.

jesus

KP, Mitch, and Frank would of been a top defense. At the time with the bums the defense was not playing badly due to the impact of mentioned Frank and Mitch. Not sure what you tryna prove.

[Knicksfan1992]

How about Joakim "I wanna be an animal for the city" Noah. I get his body was broken down, but still applies

I'm just sick of hearing it every year. I want to see results. Not even really results, just effort at least. That was the one thing I never got on Burke about was, he was an objectively bad defender, but he was at least out there giving effort as far as I saw. Similar thing with DSJ, he's not a naturally great defender, but I don't see him as lazy, he does put the effort in and his metrics are solid, which backs up what I see from the eye test

The thing is, out of the three of Morris/Randle/Knox, at least one of them is gonna have to be benched, and no matter who you pick, it's not a good choice. Especially because Morris is the only one who's any good on defense, so if our theme is defense/toughness first, Knox isn't touching the floor, and Randle shouldn't be getting many minutes. Which is why I don't want to hear it because we just don't have the personnel to be a gritty, defensive team first and foremost

Just don't bullsh*t me with that. We're gonna be at best average on defense with our personnel. I just want to see them giving effort.

I think the Randle/Morris/Knox situation isn't as dire as you make it seem. They're all going to find minutes. I think Fiz will go with a 11-12 man rotation to start and then it will wittle down from there. I personally think Marcus gets traded, especially if Knox can show some efficiency in a smaller role. I think those 3 will actually play at least 5-10 minutes together every game and I think people are projecting Mitch for too many minutes. I still think he will hover around 25-30 mpg especially since he will have his foul trouble games.

And I know what you're saying as a cynical person, but what exactly do you want them to say? "We plan on being average on defense!" CMon dude... These are people at the top of their profession who have to have extreme confidence in what they do to be as successful as they are.

They would, if you don't introduce Mitch and Portis into the equation, who also both want and think they deserve minutes. Our problem is we're deep, but nobody's particularly amazing. We have a lot of really decent players who all have a case for getting at least 20-25 minutes

And I'm not being cynical about Morris saying it, it's something I expect to hear. I'm still talking about people acting like we don't go through this song and dance every year

Is this not a possible frontcourt rotation though?

Morris 20/Knox 15/ Barrett 13
Randle 25/Morris 10/Knox 8/Portis 5
Mitch 28/Portis 12/Randle 8

Maybe Portis gets shorted but he's already come out saying he knows he's the backup Center and he seems the least likely to really care about not getting 20 MPG. Knox at 20-25 mpg this year and working on efficiency is exactly where I would want him and Morris is getting a generous 30 mpg there which is more than he got in Boston so I don't see why he would be mad about that.

IDK it just seems like people are making a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to the frontcourt rotation. Gibson is going to play very sparingly IMO especially as the year goes along. They wouldn't have signed Portis if they planned on playing Gibson any sort of significant time this year.

[Da_Mane_Man]

mpharris.....get ready to get happy

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looking bad for you out here melo. sorry about that. it genuinely hurts me to see you go through this.

We all know Frank gonna be planted on the bench with ya boy Trier at the end of the day. Team DSJ not worried out here

can you really call it a team if there's only 1 of you ?

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[2010]

Morris is talking about pride. Pride in defending home court advantage. Pride in putting on the jersey. Pride in not having the team being taken as an opportunity or stage for players to show out against or on.

I think it's understood that he is saying it has to start with a mentality. Of course toughness alone isn't the be all/end all.

[F N 11]

Morris is talking about pride. Pride in defending home court advantage. Pride in putting on the jersey. Pride in not having the team being taken as an opportunity or stage for players to show out against or on.

I think it's understood that he is saying it has to start with a mentality. Of course toughness alone isn't the be all/end all.

For me Kanter saying it was all BS bc defense is not his reputation. But when a player who has won playoff games and is known for defense and toughness its great hearing it from him.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Morris is my favorite signing. I think he'll have a nice impact to help our mentality.

[iLLmatic860]

"Talk is cheap, play the game!" - Tom Coughlin

It doesn't matter where you were drafted, how tough you are or if you grew and are now 6'8" without shoes. The best 9-10 players should play. I'm tired of the meaningless yap.

You act like every other of the 29 teams arent talking to the media lol

[DOT]

I think the Randle/Morris/Knox situation isn't as dire as you make it seem. They're all going to find minutes. I think Fiz will go with a 11-12 man rotation to start and then it will wittle down from there. I personally think Marcus gets traded, especially if Knox can show some efficiency in a smaller role. I think those 3 will actually play at least 5-10 minutes together every game and I think people are projecting Mitch for too many minutes. I still think he will hover around 25-30 mpg especially since he will have his foul trouble games.

And I know what you're saying as a cynical person, but what exactly do you want them to say? "We plan on being average on defense!" CMon dude... These are people at the top of their profession who have to have extreme confidence in what they do to be as successful as they are.

They would, if you don't introduce Mitch and Portis into the equation, who also both want and think they deserve minutes. Our problem is we're deep, but nobody's particularly amazing. We have a lot of really decent players who all have a case for getting at least 20-25 minutes

And I'm not being cynical about Morris saying it, it's something I expect to hear. I'm still talking about people acting like we don't go through this song and dance every year

Is this not a possible frontcourt rotation though?

Morris 20/Knox 15/ Barrett 13
Randle 25/Morris 10/Knox 8/Portis 5
Mitch 28/Portis 12/Randle 8

Maybe Portis gets shorted but he's already come out saying he knows he's the backup Center and he seems the least likely to really care about not getting 20 MPG. Knox at 20-25 mpg this year and working on efficiency is exactly where I would want him and Morris is getting a generous 30 mpg there which is more than he got in Boston so I don't see why he would be mad about that.

IDK it just seems like people are making a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to the frontcourt rotation. Gibson is going to play very sparingly IMO especially as the year goes along. They wouldn't have signed Portis if they planned on playing Gibson any sort of significant time this year.

Thing is is, because of how the NBA is now, you have to take into account the backcourt rotation too, cause you have RJ and Dot can play the 3, then we're most certainly gonna be playing 2 PG lineups with DSJ and Payton with Trier at the 3, and if Frank's shot is legit, he definitely deserves minutes, and that makes it even more crowded. Hell, throw Ellington in there as well

[mpharris36]

mpharris.....get ready to get happy

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looking bad for you out here melo. sorry about that. it genuinely hurts me to see you go through this.

We all know Frank gonna be planted on the bench with ya boy Trier at the end of the day. Team DSJ not worried out here

can you really call it a team if there's only 1 of you ?

How did I miss this

[Dantares]

Frank is a super high iq player. In a playoff series or even just playing against his teammates in practice he is going to know how to make the opposition feel uncomfortable. He shut down the french league mvp during the french playoffs. Him doing good in training camp doesn't surprise me as he did that last year. His problem is his confidence when he misses a few jumpshots then he defers like crazy.