Accurate Player Heights Predictions

[OkcSinceSGA]

My prediction: Players and teams are going to find a way to cheat the system and continue lying about their heights

I would bet my laptop that KD is over 7 feet tall and that he won't be listed at 7 feet when the player height numbers come out

Agreed. Clippers already made their preseason roster official and it had zero changes. I think teams are going to simply refuse to comply, which is unfortunate. We SHOULD have accurate heights and ages certified.

[RealShaneGray]

New height policy will be a complete sham & make things more confusing than ever because:

1: if no nba rep/reps there teams/players can still basically report whatever the heck they want to. and 99% of players want the taller shoe heights as a former nba player certified on The Jump.

2: It is supposedly an in sock measurement and their are now significant lifts made that go in socks that can add an inch + and not be noticeable. these have been used at combine. sockless is only way to keep from cheating it.

3: if teams measure at different times of day we will get much different heights from team to team. an early morning measurement before compression will yield a half inch to over an inch more height than a late day or post workout measurement. so if these arent all the same time from team to team it doesnt mean jack.

4: supposedly they will use full inches. if they are worried avout this they would use quarter or halves. guarantee those teams who even report honest measurements will round virtually everything up from 1/4 inch on and certainly 1/2 and up.

5: a great many players value their listed heights so trainers who measure will be pressured to give them the listing they want.

6: with above considered this new system will cause more confusion than before when we knew 95% + of players were shoe heights and 1 to 2 inches above their barefoot heights. now we will simply have lies and manipulated data.

7: SOLUTION to keep fans and players happy: list player height in paranthesis and then PLAYING height (shoes) beside it. then nba gets info out and players still keep traditional listings of the past 30+ years.

Finally, if I was an nba team I'd tell the nba to take a hike. it's our team and our players we can measure and list them how we want.

And nba excuse that this is about gambling is an insult to our intelligence. nobody is betting on height. they are betting on performance and outcomes.

[RealShaneGray]

So now that we will have accurate player heights in a few days, post a few predictions:


Zion: 6’5
Chris Paul: 5’10


I am fully expecting the number of 7 footers in the league to drop.

A lot of "Accurate" heights are already known because most players were measured at the combine with and without shoes. The only change is that the NBA will start listing their actual heights as what they measured w/o shoes, and not what the players told their college media guide to list them at

Chris Paul already measured at 5' 11.75'' without shoes when he was 20. He's likely close to that now. His listed height is actually very close to what he measured at the combine.
https://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-anthro/#!?SeasonYear=2005-06

Corey Brewer measured at 6'6" at the combine and 6'7.75" with shoes at the combine. So how the hell is he listed at 6'9"? He's listed at 6'9" most likely because that's what he told the media people at the University of Florida to list him at. Same with Jason Collins telling Stanford to list him at 7' because that's simply what he wanted to be listed as, and that information carried over into his NBA career....despite the fact that he was nowhere near 7' tall.

Zion is a mystery because he wasn't measured, but most people are guessing he'll be somewhere around 6'6" w/o shoes.

Again, the NBA isn't doing anything magical here. They're simply going to list heights as measured w/o shoes instead of listing it as what the player's college media guide has them listed at.

This isnt avout college media guides at all. Nba players have seen lower heights after college as well as taller. It is about both leagues mostly listing shoe heights.

And the new policy will make things even more confusing than before. Before we knew they were shoe heights now they are supposed to be barefoot but many or most wont be because players dont want them and the teams sent their own data in. Nba will have to go measure themselves if they want barefoot heights. It's stupid anyhow. Shoe heights have been standard for over 30 years.

Measuring in socks if even done womt work due to non visible lifts that go in socks and add an inch plus or players wearing 4 or 5 thick pairs of socks. Plus using full inches teams can round up drastically. And again with no nba rep there teams can send in whatever they want. If I was a team I'd tell them to screw off we will list our players how we want to list snd measure them.

[JN61]

I recon Durant will be between 210 and 211.

[dc]

This isnt avout college media guides at all. Nba players have seen lower heights after college as well as taller. It is about both leagues mostly listing shoe heights.

And the new policy will make things even more confusing than before. Before we knew they were shoe heights now they are supposed to be barefoot but many or most wont be because players dont want them and the teams sent their own data in. Nba will have to go measure themselves if they want barefoot heights. It's stupid anyhow. Shoe heights have been standard for over 30 years.

Measuring in socks if even done womt work due to non visible lifts that go in socks and add an inch plus or players wearing 4 or 5 thick pairs of socks. Plus using full inches teams can round up drastically. And again with no nba rep there teams can send in whatever they want. If I was a team I'd tell them to screw off we will list our players how we want to list snd measure them.

College media guides have a lot to do with it.

Again, Corey Brewer measured 6'6" w/o shoes and 6'7.75" WITH shoes on at the combine. But he was listed at 6'9" in the NBA. So that begs the question: where the hell did that 6'9" listing come from? Oh yeah, it came from the University of Florida, LOL.

https://floridagators.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=480

Here's Jason Collins on how one day he just decided he wanted to be 7' tall, so he told the Stanford media that's what he wanted his height listed as, and *poof*, he became 7' tall all of a sudden. And in the NBA, he was listed at 7' his entire career.

Collins, for example, remembers the exact day he picked to experience a growth spurt.

"Media day, my junior year," Collins, a Stanford graduate, said. "I told our sports information guy that I wanted to be 7 feet, and it's been 7 feet ever since."

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/15/sports/basketball/tall-tales-in-nba-dont-fool-players.html

Guys like Durant (6'9"), Richard Jefferson (6'7") and Shane Battier (6'8") are exceptions among American players, in that their listed heights in the NBA were essentially the same as what they were measured w/o shoes (Durant simply grew, as he was just 18 when measured).

[ShotCreator]

I’m actually more interested in weight. Embiid, Draymond, LeBron, Jokic, Durant(especially).

Porzingis being 7’2.75” is absolutely insane to me though.

[Duke4life831]

This isnt avout college media guides at all. Nba players have seen lower heights after college as well as taller. It is about both leagues mostly listing shoe heights.

And the new policy will make things even more confusing than before. Before we knew they were shoe heights now they are supposed to be barefoot but many or most wont be because players dont want them and the teams sent their own data in. Nba will have to go measure themselves if they want barefoot heights. It's stupid anyhow. Shoe heights have been standard for over 30 years.

Measuring in socks if even done womt work due to non visible lifts that go in socks and add an inch plus or players wearing 4 or 5 thick pairs of socks. Plus using full inches teams can round up drastically. And again with no nba rep there teams can send in whatever they want. If I was a team I'd tell them to screw off we will list our players how we want to list snd measure them.

College media guides have a lot to do with it.

Again, Corey Brewer measured 6'6" w/o shoes and 6'7.75" WITH shoes on at the combine. But he was listed at 6'9" in the NBA. So that begs the question: where the hell did that 6'9" listing come from? Oh yeah, it came from the University of Florida, LOL.

https://floridagators.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=480

Here's Jason Collins on how one day he just decided he wanted to be 7' tall, so he told the Stanford media that's what he wanted his height listed as, and *poof*, he became 7' tall all of a sudden. And in the NBA, he was listed at 7' his entire career.

Collins, for example, remembers the exact day he picked to experience a growth spurt.

"Media day, my junior year," Collins, a Stanford graduate, said. "I told our sports information guy that I wanted to be 7 feet, and it's been 7 feet ever since."

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/15/sports/basketball/tall-tales-in-nba-dont-fool-players.html

Guys like Durant (6'9"), Richard Jefferson (6'7") and Shane Battier (6'8") are exceptions among American players, in that their listed heights in the NBA were essentially the same as what they were measured w/o shoes (Durant simply grew, as he was just 18 when measured).

Ya most schools just let the players write down their height and weight. And usually once it is down, that is the narrative and lots of the time it just sticks. Its like the Zion weighing 285 thing, he just guessed that was his weight entering school and went with that. Once he got to Duke they did actually weigh him and it was 271. Here is a video of him in August last year saying his weight is between 270-275.

Watch on YouTube

But the 285 thing stayed around because that was just the narrative that was already started and it made for a great story.

[OfficialRef]

man some people are gonna be in a for a rude awakening... Durant isn't 7 foot, I'm not even sure if hes the full 6'10

[dc]

man some people are gonna be in a for a rude awakening... Durant isn't 7 foot, I'm not even sure if hes the full 6'10

He said himself he's 6'10.75" and that seems pretty darn reasonable.

[Sark]

I’m actually more interested in weight. Embiid, Draymond, LeBron, Jokic, Durant(especially).

Porzingis being 7’2.75” is absolutely insane to me though.

Why is KP's height insane? He's usually the tallest guy on the court when he plays.

[Ron Swanson]

At least now this dumb hyperbolic myth about Durant being a 7-footer can finally end. I mean, I get it, "7-footer with handles" sounds cool when an announcer says it on TV.

[Lockdown504090]

The measurements have been coming out?

[RealShaneGray]

This isnt avout college media guides at all. Nba players have seen lower heights after college as well as taller. It is about both leagues mostly listing shoe heights.

And the new policy will make things even more confusing than before. Before we knew they were shoe heights now they are supposed to be barefoot but many or most wont be because players dont want them and the teams sent their own data in. Nba will have to go measure themselves if they want barefoot heights. It's stupid anyhow. Shoe heights have been standard for over 30 years.

Measuring in socks if even done womt work due to non visible lifts that go in socks and add an inch plus or players wearing 4 or 5 thick pairs of socks. Plus using full inches teams can round up drastically. And again with no nba rep there teams can send in whatever they want. If I was a team I'd tell them to screw off we will list our players how we want to list snd measure them.

College media guides have a lot to do with it.

Again, Corey Brewer measured 6'6" w/o shoes and 6'7.75" WITH shoes on at the combine. But he was listed at 6'9" in the NBA. So that begs the question: where the hell did that 6'9" listing come from? Oh yeah, it came from the University of Florida, LOL.

https://floridagators.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=480

Here's Jason Collins on how one day he just decided he wanted to be 7' tall, so he told the Stanford media that's what he wanted his height listed as, and *poof*, he became 7' tall all of a sudden. And in the NBA, he was listed at 7' his entire career.

Collins, for example, remembers the exact day he picked to experience a growth spurt.

"Media day, my junior year," Collins, a Stanford graduate, said. "I told our sports information guy that I wanted to be 7 feet, and it's been 7 feet ever since."

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/15/sports/basketball/tall-tales-in-nba-dont-fool-players.html

Guys like Durant (6'9"), Richard Jefferson (6'7") and Shane Battier (6'8") are exceptions among American players, in that their listed heights in the NBA were essentially the same as what they were measured w/o shoes (Durant simply grew, as he was just 18 when measured).

It has little do with college media guides. Guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this point. There are guys in the league with big discrepancies in height that gained more when they got to the league. The NBA has used shoe heights just like college. It isnt much different, overall.

[dc]

College media guides have a lot to do with it.

Again, Corey Brewer measured 6'6" w/o shoes and 6'7.75" WITH shoes on at the combine. But he was listed at 6'9" in the NBA. So that begs the question: where the hell did that 6'9" listing come from? Oh yeah, it came from the University of Florida, LOL.

https://floridagators.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=480

Here's Jason Collins on how one day he just decided he wanted to be 7' tall, so he told the Stanford media that's what he wanted his height listed as, and *poof*, he became 7' tall all of a sudden. And in the NBA, he was listed at 7' his entire career.

Collins, for example, remembers the exact day he picked to experience a growth spurt.

"Media day, my junior year," Collins, a Stanford graduate, said. "I told our sports information guy that I wanted to be 7 feet, and it's been 7 feet ever since."

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/15/sports/basketball/tall-tales-in-nba-dont-fool-players.html

Guys like Durant (6'9"), Richard Jefferson (6'7") and Shane Battier (6'8") are exceptions among American players, in that their listed heights in the NBA were essentially the same as what they were measured w/o shoes (Durant simply grew, as he was just 18 when measured).

It has little do with college media guides. Guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this point. There are guys in the league with big discrepancies in height that gained more when they got to the league. The NBA has used shoe heights just like college. It isnt much different, overall.

Not sure what there is to disagree on. I just listed 2 explicit cases where the college media guides pretty clearly dictated what their NBA heights were listed at for the entire careers of those 2 guys. And there are many more.

Just as pointed out, Zion's 285 lb listing was just his own personal guess. He didn't even get himself weighed at the time. Turns out he's somewhere closer to 270 lbs. But what is his official listing on NBA.com? Yeah, it's 285 lbs. Where did they get that number from? The Duke media guide, LOL.

Basically, the colleges just listed the height (and weight) of what their player told them to list it at.....and then that listed height carried over to the NBA. Florida had Brewer listed at 6'9" (despite him being nowhere close to that, even in shoes), so the NBA just repeated that listing.

Look at the listed heights of (American) NBA players and compare them to their listed heights that they had in college. You'll find the vast majority of the "official" college and NBA listings to be the same, despite those heights obviously not being the same as when they're measured at the combine. Sometimes those listings will be the same as their heights with shoes, but when they aren't, the NBA is still going to just put down the college listing, and that's my point.

[seorang]

Jarret Allen - 6'8 . That afro ain't fooling no one

[RealShaneGray]

College media guides have a lot to do with it.

Again, Corey Brewer measured 6'6" w/o shoes and 6'7.75" WITH shoes on at the combine. But he was listed at 6'9" in the NBA. So that begs the question: where the hell did that 6'9" listing come from? Oh yeah, it came from the University of Florida, LOL.

https://floridagators.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=480

Here's Jason Collins on how one day he just decided he wanted to be 7' tall, so he told the Stanford media that's what he wanted his height listed as, and *poof*, he became 7' tall all of a sudden. And in the NBA, he was listed at 7' his entire career.


https://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/15/sports/basketball/tall-tales-in-nba-dont-fool-players.html

Guys like Durant (6'9"), Richard Jefferson (6'7") and Shane Battier (6'8") are exceptions among American players, in that their listed heights in the NBA were essentially the same as what they were measured w/o shoes (Durant simply grew, as he was just 18 when measured).

It has little do with college media guides. Guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this point. There are guys in the league with big discrepancies in height that gained more when they got to the league. The NBA has used shoe heights just like college. It isnt much different, overall.

Not sure what there is to disagree on. I just listed 2 explicit cases where the college media guides pretty clearly dictated what their NBA heights were listed at for the entire careers of those 2 guys. And there are many more.

Just as pointed out, Zion's 285 lb listing was just his own personal guess. He didn't even get himself weighed at the time. Turns out he's somewhere closer to 270 lbs. But what is his official listing on NBA.com? Yeah, it's 285 lbs. Where did they get that number from? The Duke media guide, LOL.

Basically, the colleges just listed the height (and weight) of what their player told them to list it at.....and then that listed height carried over to the NBA. Florida had Brewer listed at 6'9" (despite him being nowhere close to that, even in shoes), so the NBA just repeated that listing.

Look at the listed heights of (American) NBA players and compare them to their listed heights that they had in college. You'll find the vast majority of the "official" college and NBA listings to be the same, despite those heights obviously not being the same as when they're measured at the combine. Sometimes those listings will be the same as their heights with shoes, but when they aren't, the NBA is still going to just put down the college listing, and that's my point.

There is plenty to disagree on. Plenty. You give two examples of college heights transferring to NBA as if that offers proof that the team used that listing because it was the college listing. Tjat isnt proof at all.

There are also plenty of examples where players have lost an inch from their college listing when going pro and others who gained an inch.

Most remain the same because the NBA has listed players (at least in past) largely similar to what players desire, just like college and the fact that most teams in college pros and high school for that matter use something at or near a show height.

Yes, college heights often carry over but it's not just because it was the listing and certainly isnt always the reason it does carry over. Yes, it can be but another part of that is basketball teams ar all levels generally have very similar listing ideas and players often have input towards their listings as well, even in the pros.

[RealShaneGray]

Jarret Allen - 6'8 . That afro ain't fooling no one

He was like 6'9" barefoot at combine but when asked after measured he said there were no surprises. Who knows exactly what that means but I'm guessing his 6"11" listing may remain as I doubt too many listings will change and I doubt too many teams will honestly comply and I domt blame them. Its their team and their players. If they want to use shoe heights then use em. No nba rep was there for measurements so this new policy is going to cause confusion more than anything.

[dc]

There are also plenty of examples where players have lost an inch from their college listing when going pro and others who gained an inch

Feel free to name some, then. For every one you list where the NBA "shrunk" the guy (or in rare cases, grew him), there will be several times more cases where a guy's listed height remained totally unchanged from his college listing.

Has a guy ever lost an inch from their college listing? Sure, but that's far more the exception than it is the rule and most people won't be able to name one of the top of their heads. They'll have to scour the internet for just a few instances of this.

You'll get far more examples of Jason Collins occurrences, and that's the reason the NBA is even bringing it up. If there were even a decent amount of people who lost an inch (when they were supposed to), the NBA wouldn't have made this an issue.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Durant and Giannis are around 6-9.5, everybody else is BSing.

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[dc]

Durant and Giannis are around 6-9.5, everybody else is BSing.

They're retired now, but Richard Jefferson is listed at 6'7" and actually measured 6'7.25" w/o shoes and Shane Battier is listed at 6'8" and actually measured 6'8.25". Those guys actually rounded down. Two of the few guys who didn't BS their heights. Also, I would say that far fewer Euro players BS their listed heights. They're generally more truthful about it.

Durant has said himself he's now 6'10.75"

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/the-great-debate-is-over-kevin-durant-finally-admitted-his-real-height/

Speaking to Bob Fitzgerald on KNBR, Durant put fact over fiction when answering the age-old question of how tall he really is.

"Since I love you guys so much, I was recorded at 6'10" and three-quarters with no shoes, so with my shoes on I'm 7-feet," Durant finally revealed.

So, why has Durant been listed at 6-foot-9 for so long? "I just like messin' with people. They just ask me so much... yeah, I just like messin' with people."