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[Chanel Bomber]

Just saw a youtube comment that refers to Morris and Portis as the Madison Square Goons

[3toheadmelo]

Payton about to steal DSJ and Frank minutes. Frankfrooters and DSJ fans cry together in unity.

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[god shammgod]

I don't know if you heard, but Fizdale says we're getting back to our defensive roots this year, so...

i mean, he's supposed to want to try that but you have too many bad defenders to ever be a great defensive team. i was being generous with half. you have maybe 5 plus defenders. mitch, frank, morris, taj, and maybe rj (he was in college). taj is not expected to really play much. rj is a rookie. what can he do ?

i can't blame him for guys who can't play d and there are a lot of them. i've seen the best defensive coaches ever be able to do nothing with some guys. you just hide them. that's it. but you can't hide 3 or 4 guys at once.

what would you consider our best defensive lineup that also could theoretically be our starting lineup?

you already know the answer includes frank

but i feel you need trier's shooting and shot creation in the starting lineup too. there's a balance you need offensively too. we're not gonna get either though because he's starting dennis or payton.

i forgot about dotson too. that's a 6th good defender.

[robillionaire]

I need news. Videos. Something.

[mpharris36]

Payton about to steal DSJ and Frank minutes. Frankfrooters and DSJ fans cry together in unity.

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We knew this was going to happen. Payton is a better offensive player than Frank currently and he's a bigger guard for defensive purposes than DSJ. He's also playing for his next NBA contract so he is going to try and show out. Fiz loved Mudiay....I don't trust fiz to make any proper decisions to be honest after last year and his love for that bum.

[mpharris36]

i mean, he's supposed to want to try that but you have too many bad defenders to ever be a great defensive team. i was being generous with half. you have maybe 5 plus defenders. mitch, frank, morris, taj, and maybe rj (he was in college). taj is not expected to really play much. rj is a rookie. what can he do ?

i can't blame him for guys who can't play d and there are a lot of them. i've seen the best defensive coaches ever be able to do nothing with some guys. you just hide them. that's it. but you can't hide 3 or 4 guys at once.

what would you consider our best defensive lineup that also could theoretically be our starting lineup?

you already know the answer includes frank

but i feel you need trier's shooting and shot creation in the starting lineup too. there's a balance you need offensively too. we're not gonna get either though because he's starting dennis or payton.

i forgot about dotson too. that's a 6th good defender.

I think Frank/RJ/Morris/Randle/Mitch probably is our best offensive/defensive lineup. You have a premier perimeter defender, a good wing defender, and a elite rim protector. Then you have randle/RJ to run the offense and RJ should be at least a average defender. You would just have to cover up for Randle.

[robillionaire]

Payton has been a better player so far in his career, that is undeniable. If DSJ or Frank want the job it's time for them to come take it. year 3, no more excuses it's sink or swim

[G_K_F]

I guess aside from the rape and racism, he’d be a swell guy to have a beer with.

I really don't think we know what happened with KP and this woman, do we? I know KP was never criminally charged with any sex-related crimes. I also understand that she shook him down for some money to make her go away. Does that mean that nothing happened? No. But I'm a little skeptical of outright "rape." I don't know that this young woman was of the most upstanding character. Didn't they meet at a bar on this particular occasion? Were they partying it up and then later that morning things go a little out of hand at one their apartments (I can see KP acting inappropriately with a woman, he's a little dweeby though not an excuse for rape), she said "stop," KP got frustrated, the parties got angry, feeling were hurt. And then the dollar sign began to flash. How'm I dong so far? Did she every report this to the police? Or go to the hospital for a rape kit test? Any physical evidence at all?

And then she does this:

Spoiler:

As for having a beer with him? No thanks. I"m not hanging out with some 7'3" dude who can't defend himself in a bar and is a magnet for crazy chicks.

But the one thing I do know is that Janis was one pain in the ass.

She actually did file a police report, and they deemed her “believable”. I’ll steer clear of the victim blaming convo. Don’t have any information other than that, but I find it odd that this case isn’t getting near the attention the Derrick Rose case got.

We should probably move this to the KP thread.

You should probably stick to not throwing vile labels around like it’s nothing just because a player is no longer a Knick because I know you wouldn’t do it if he was still here for us.

I’m not even a KP guy either.

[thebuzzardman]

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The Knicks seem to think they have a 35-win team that might approach .500. Fine. It's the East. Someone bad is sneaking into the potato sack race for No. 8. The bigs they added are all useful despite some positional overlap that isn't super convenient for Mitchell Robinson (or those who want to see Kevin Knox play more power forward, which I could take or leave). Most of the big-big pairings are semi-workable.

The guard and wing play -- the engine of most functional offenses -- is just so uncertain. Julius Randle might be New York's best shot creator, which is not on its face a bad thing. I just see a 27-30-win team, and most projection systems agree.

Thanks for the post. But Zach Lowe can suck a d*ck.

[G_K_F]

what would you consider our best defensive lineup that also could theoretically be our starting lineup?

you already know the answer includes frank

but i feel you need trier's shooting and shot creation in the starting lineup too. there's a balance you need offensively too. we're not gonna get either though because he's starting dennis or payton.

i forgot about dotson too. that's a 6th good defender.

I think Frank/RJ/Morris/Randle/Mitch probably is our best offensive/defensive lineup. You have a premier perimeter defender, a good wing defender, and a elite rim protector. Then you have randle/RJ to run the offense and RJ should be at least a average defender. You would just have to cover up for Randle.

That’s a good defensive lineup. If RJ can develop his outside shot that wouldn’t be a bad team.

[Clyde_Style]

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The Knicks seem to think they have a 35-win team that might approach .500. Fine. It's the East. Someone bad is sneaking into the potato sack race for No. 8. The bigs they added are all useful despite some positional overlap that isn't super convenient for Mitchell Robinson (or those who want to see Kevin Knox play more power forward, which I could take or leave). Most of the big-big pairings are semi-workable.

The guard and wing play -- the engine of most functional offenses -- is just so uncertain. Julius Randle might be New York's best shot creator, which is not on its face a bad thing. I just see a 27-30-win team, and most projection systems agree.

Thanks for the post. But Zach Lowe can suck a d*ck.

Hey, that's my line

[GONYK]

you already know the answer includes frank

but i feel you need trier's shooting and shot creation in the starting lineup too. there's a balance you need offensively too. we're not gonna get either though because he's starting dennis or payton.

i forgot about dotson too. that's a 6th good defender.

I think Frank/RJ/Morris/Randle/Mitch probably is our best offensive/defensive lineup. You have a premier perimeter defender, a good wing defender, and a elite rim protector. Then you have randle/RJ to run the offense and RJ should be at least a average defender. You would just have to cover up for Randle.

That’s a good defensive lineup. If RJ can develop his outside shot that wouldn’t be a bad team.

It would be Frank's outside shooting that would hold it all together, since RJ would be more of the playmaker in that pairing.

[stuporman]

Honestly 30 wins would be such a bummer. It's the worst outcome. I would rather win 17 games again and get another crack at a high pick or be a legit Playoff contender with 40 wins over being in the middle with 30. There is no reward whatsoever being in the dead middle.

You do realize that 3 out of the 4 top picks this draft were selected by teams that won more than 30 games the previous season? Oh, wait..... apparently you don't. The new flattened odds changed everything.

Edit: I see after I replied that a few others mentioned this to you.

[j4remi]

100%. if the knicks guard play is good, this team will flirt with .500 and/or a playoff spot. DSJ has a great opportunity to take command and cement himself as a true lead guard with star potential. RJ may surprise and show star mettle. payton and frank should add sold depth if nothing else. we even signed a couple of guys solely for long-range shot making.

fiz needs to maximize it. if he does, .500 and playoffs shouldn't be out of the question.

more than any of that, i just want to see the players we plan to move forward with get better.

This is 100% my mindset. I'd rather win 28 games and see our young guys taking steps forward that show real growth into competitors than win 35 games and see the youth stagnant while the vets on options carry us just shy of postseason experience. I understand heads that are more focused on fixing our image and picking up wins to build some momentum but for me the win total is secondary to the context of how we win/lose games.

[sol537]

Start -> Frank, DSJr, Morris, Randle, Mitch. Those guys can get after it on defense and you have 2-3 "go to" scorers on offense for a clear pecking order instead of 5 guys just jacking up shots.

Then you find which bench guys want it most via their 2-way play. RJ can be brought along slowly so his growth is gradual.

[Capn'O]

Payton about to steal DSJ and Frank minutes. Frankfrooters and DSJ fans cry together in unity.

We knew this was going to happen. Payton is a better offensive player than Frank currently and he's a bigger guard for defensive purposes than DSJ. He's also playing for his next NBA contract so he is going to try and show out. Fiz loved Mudiay....I don't trust fiz to make any proper decisions to be honest after last year and his love for that bum.

[F N 11]

Whoever wins the jobs i hope it sticks and we not with the back and forth politics. Sick of it. Pick someone and give them a deep look.

[HEZI]

Just find a way to win

I want them to be chasing playoffs this year so I just wanna see some solid bball from this group

If\when we get disqualified then they can do whatever they want

[Milk]

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[j4remi]

Just saw a youtube comment that refers to Morris and Portis as the Madison Square Goons

I like that. I'm a sucker for alliteration though. The Garden's Goons has a nice ring to it.