Steph Top 10 All Time - According to Bleacher report

[The4thHorseman]

Unless he wins another ring post KD, I think he's outside the top 10.

He's not impactful enough of a defensive player for his position or especially well rounded to be a top 10 ATG... he is more of an elite specialist, although he is by far the best shooter ever which he should be in the top 20 for that alone. not necessarily top 10 though.

Having no FMVPs hurt him, and he wasn't like he was cheated out of any. He was never the best player in any finals he played in. It's an admirable quality to take a backseat to teammates, but this keeps him out of the top 10 too.

Last but not least, he lost when he was up 3-1 in the finals... If he would have closed the 73 win season out, you could make the argument he's top 10 ATG.

Oh brother! The stories people come up with.

Is there some rule that all players must look a certain way? That seems to be a cookie cutter approach that applies a dogma rather than looking at reality. It shows that there is indeed a bias working against Curry.

Curry was cheated out of an FMVP in 2015. 2017 and 2018 were a coin flip with 2018 being one where if narrative considerations was ever justified that would be the one. The failure of FMVP voters to recognize the most valuable player of the greatest team ever will haunt that award.

If Curry had closed out 2016 one would have a strong argument he's the best player of all-time. He had just come-off a grueling 7-game series against the two nearest MVPs in time to himself after a couple of injuries earlier in the playoffs caused him to miss games and then to top it off had referees choosing to eject his teammate and himself from games. You have other ATGs being swept and losing by the largest margins, why on earth should coming close to winning be held against Curry?

[a8bil]

Unless he wins another ring post KD, I think he's outside the top 10.

He's not impactful enough of a defensive player for his position or especially well rounded to be a top 10 ATG... he is more of an elite specialist, although he is by far the best shooter ever which he should be in the top 20 for that alone. not necessarily top 10 though.

Having no FMVPs hurt him, and he wasn't like he was cheated out of any. He was never the best player in any finals he played in. It's an admirable quality to take a backseat to teammates, but this keeps him out of the top 10 too.

Last but not least, he lost when he was up 3-1 in the finals... If he would have closed the 73 win season out, you could make the argument he's top 10 ATG.

And Magic was impactful defensively?

[at87on]

He's around #15 for me now but should crack top 10 after a couple more seasons of similar production.

Which of the guys I listed does he displace? I just don't see it.

1. Wilt
2. MJ
3. LeBron
4. Kareem
5. Russell
6. Magic
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Duncan
10. Curry

That is what my list will look like when Curry breaks the barrier, unless LeBron does something that boosts him over MJ.

I personally think Kobe is the most overrated superstar in the history of sports tied with Derek Jeter.

Having said that, Kobe is not behind Curry on any list except long distance shooting & free throws.

[at87on]

Kobestans love to overrate Kobe's defense and all those undeserved all defensive teams, but he's Payton, Kawhi, Bowen or Rodman on the defensive end compared to Curry.

[WarriorGM]

Having said that, Kobe is not behind Curry on any list except long distance shooting & free throws.

Those long balls are worth an extra point and also tend to create something called spacing.

The walls of Constantinople stood for hundreds of years then the Turks came with their cannons and that was the end of that.

[SAKURABA216]

That's why it's bleacher report

Off the top of my head in no particular order:

MJ
Magic
Bird
Wilt
Russell
Kareem
Lebron
Duncan
Kobe
Shaq

That's 10 right there. And I haven't looked at a list yet so I'm sure I'm missing a few

I love me some Curry, but I have to agree with you. He is not better than any of the guys you listed up there. Time will tell if he gets there one day, but that group is stacked and seriously accomplished.

[at87on]

Having said that, Kobe is not behind Curry on any list except long distance shooting & free throws.

Those long balls are worth an extra point and also tend to create something called spacing.

The walls of Constantinople stood for hundreds of years then the Turks came with their cannons and that was the end of that.

Kobe played in an era where the game was different. Now there are many many players who are proficient at the 3pt game, not just the specialist.

You don't think if the game in the 90s-2000s was pretty much predicated on virtually every single player on the court, regardless of position being good 3pt shooters, Kobe wouldn't be a great 3 pt shooter?

I can't believe I'm praising Kobe Bryant this much, but this is what happens when Curry fans think Curry is better than Kobe.

[at87on]

Curry lucked out with Lebron playing with NBDLers in their first finals and Durant coming to their rescue them in the last 2 finals.

You'll see the real Warriors this year who'll be fighting for the 8th seed now that everyone is playing the same game Warriors made popular 5 years ago.

[SeniorWalker]

For me, for curry to make the top 10 I would need to see him lead a team to the finals, possibly winning it again. He has done it several times and i rate him very highly in general but his resume does not stand out particularly well among the other guys who are most commonly in top 10 lists.

Top 20 for him is a virtual certainty now even if he retired today. He can still make the top 10 though.

If he had won in 2016 he'd already be in it. So disappointing too because the dubs really should have. The league saved LeBron on that one and it cost Steph arguably the greatest single season ever.

[WarriorGM]

Having said that, Kobe is not behind Curry on any list except long distance shooting & free throws.

Those long balls are worth an extra point and also tend to create something called spacing.

The walls of Constantinople stood for hundreds of years then the Turks came with their cannons and that was the end of that.

Kobe played in an era where the game was different. Now there are many many players who are proficient at the 3pt game, not just the specialist.

You don't think if the game in the 90s-2000s was pretty much predicated on virtually every single player on the court, regardless of position being good 3pt shooters, Kobe wouldn't be a great 3 pt shooter?

I can't believe I'm praising Kobe Bryant this much, but this is what happens when Curry fans think Curry is better than Kobe.

Yes we are in an era where there are many players who are proficient at the 3pt game. One of them is Klay Thompson who has an argument as the 2nd best shooter in history, is considered better at defense than Curry, and happens to be on the same team. Are you going to argue Klay Thompson is a better player than Curry? But that is the end result of the simplistic reasoning advanced by Curry critics who have little to no appreciation for how good Curry is in multiple aspects of the game.

We don't know if Kobe would be a great 3-point shooter in today's league, but even if he were, that wouldn't be close to assuring him of being a better player than Curry.

[AMW27]

For me, for curry to make the top 10 I would need to see him lead a team to the finals, possibly winning it again. He has done it several times and i rate him very highly in general but his resume does not stand out particularly well among the other guys who are most commonly in top 10 lists.

Top 20 for him is a virtual certainty now even if he retired today. He can still make the top 10 though.

If he had won in 2016 he'd already be in it. So disappointing too because the dubs really should have. The league saved LeBron on that one and it cost Steph arguably the greatest single season ever.

Let's say if. The Warriors would've won in 2016. Would you put Curry top ten if he didn't get Finals mvp in that series?

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[The4thHorseman]

For me, for curry to make the top 10 I would need to see him lead a team to the finals, possibly winning it again. He has done it several times and i rate him very highly in general but his resume does not stand out particularly well among the other guys who are most commonly in top 10 lists.

Top 20 for him is a virtual certainty now even if he retired today. He can still make the top 10 though.

If he had won in 2016 he'd already be in it. So disappointing too because the dubs really should have. The league saved LeBron on that one and it cost Steph arguably the greatest single season ever.

In game 7 at home, Draymond put up 32-15-9 as the 3rd / 4th scoring option. When you get that much scoring from a player who's looked at for his defense first and you have the two best 3pt shooters in the league +the MVP, you have no reason whatsoever to lose that game.

Saying the league was the reason GS lost 2 of the last 3 at home is quite comical. Steph and the Warriors caused themselves to piss away that great season.

[WarriorGM]

For me, for curry to make the top 10 I would need to see him lead a team to the finals, possibly winning it again. He has done it several times and i rate him very highly in general but his resume does not stand out particularly well among the other guys who are most commonly in top 10 lists.

Top 20 for him is a virtual certainty now even if he retired today. He can still make the top 10 though.

If he had won in 2016 he'd already be in it. So disappointing too because the dubs really should have. The league saved LeBron on that one and it cost Steph arguably the greatest single season ever.

In game 7 at home, Draymond put up 32-15-9 as the 3rd / 4th scoring option. When you get that much scoring from a player who's looked at for his defense first and you have the two best 3pt shooters in the league +the MVP, you have no reason whatsoever to lose that game.

Saying the league was the reason GS lost 2 of the last 3 at home is quite comical. Steph and the Warriors caused themselves to piss away that great season.

The difference between victory and defeat can be explained entirely by the +/- between Bogut who missed games 6 and 7 and his replacements Ezeli and Varejao. The Warriors were even with the Cavaliers in game 5 before Bogut went down. I guess it's just a coincidence that from that moment on they lost the last three games they played down a starter. Not to mention the Green suspension and Curry ejection meant they were actually down 2 starters for some of that time.

[The4thHorseman]

For me, for curry to make the top 10 I would need to see him lead a team to the finals, possibly winning it again. He has done it several times and i rate him very highly in general but his resume does not stand out particularly well among the other guys who are most commonly in top 10 lists.

Top 20 for him is a virtual certainty now even if he retired today. He can still make the top 10 though.

If he had won in 2016 he'd already be in it. So disappointing too because the dubs really should have. The league saved LeBron on that one and it cost Steph arguably the greatest single season ever.

In game 7 at home, Draymond put up 32-15-9 as the 3rd / 4th scoring option. When you get that much scoring from a player who's looked at for his defense first and you have the two best 3pt shooters in the league +the MVP, you have no reason whatsoever to lose that game.

Saying the league was the reason GS lost 2 of the last 3 at home is quite comical. Steph and the Warriors caused themselves to piss away that great season.

The difference between victory and defeat can be explained entirely by the +/- between Bogut who missed games 6 and 7 and his replacements Ezeli and Varejao. The Warriors were even with the Cavaliers in game 5 before Bogut went down. I guess it's just a coincidence that from that moment on they lost the last three games they played down a starter.

So if Bogut doesn't get hurt and GS wins, Bogut easily wins FMVP?

He was clearly seen as the main part that series and was what made the winning machine purr like a kitten?

[WarriorGM]

In game 7 at home, Draymond put up 32-15-9 as the 3rd / 4th scoring option. When you get that much scoring from a player who's looked at for his defense first and you have the two best 3pt shooters in the league +the MVP, you have no reason whatsoever to lose that game.

Saying the league was the reason GS lost 2 of the last 3 at home is quite comical. Steph and the Warriors caused themselves to piss away that great season.

The difference between victory and defeat can be explained entirely by the +/- between Bogut who missed games 6 and 7 and his replacements Ezeli and Varejao. The Warriors were even with the Cavaliers in game 5 before Bogut went down. I guess it's just a coincidence that from that moment on they lost the last three games they played down a starter.

So if Bogut doesn't get hurt and GS wins, Bogut easily wins FMVP?

He was clearly seen as the main part that series and was what made the winning machine purr like a kitten?

In the end he was as critical a part of the Warriors as Kiki Vandeweghe was a part of the Cavaliers.

[ShotCreator]

For me, for curry to make the top 10 I would need to see him lead a team to the finals, possibly winning it again. He has done it several times and i rate him very highly in general but his resume does not stand out particularly well among the other guys who are most commonly in top 10 lists.

Top 20 for him is a virtual certainty now even if he retired today. He can still make the top 10 though.

If he had won in 2016 he'd already be in it. So disappointing too because the dubs really should have. The league saved LeBron on that one and it cost Steph arguably the greatest single season ever.

In game 7 at home, Draymond put up 32-15-9 as the 3rd / 4th scoring option. When you get that much scoring from a player who's looked at for his defense first and you have the two best 3pt shooters in the league +the MVP, you have no reason whatsoever to lose that game.

Saying the league was the reason GS lost 2 of the last 3 at home is quite comical. Steph and the Warriors caused themselves to piss away that great season.

The difference between victory and defeat can be explained entirely by the +/- between Bogut who missed games 6 and 7 and his replacements Ezeli and Varejao. The Warriors were even with the Cavaliers in game 5 before Bogut went down. I guess it's just a coincidence that from that moment on they lost the last three games they played down a starter. Not to mention the Green suspension and Curry ejection meant they were actually down 2 starters for some of that time.

No it can’t. Bogut was a significant negative on the series.

[WarriorGM]

In game 7 at home, Draymond put up 32-15-9 as the 3rd / 4th scoring option. When you get that much scoring from a player who's looked at for his defense first and you have the two best 3pt shooters in the league +the MVP, you have no reason whatsoever to lose that game.

Saying the league was the reason GS lost 2 of the last 3 at home is quite comical. Steph and the Warriors caused themselves to piss away that great season.

The difference between victory and defeat can be explained entirely by the +/- between Bogut who missed games 6 and 7 and his replacements Ezeli and Varejao. The Warriors were even with the Cavaliers in game 5 before Bogut went down. I guess it's just a coincidence that from that moment on they lost the last three games they played down a starter. Not to mention the Green suspension and Curry ejection meant they were actually down 2 starters for some of that time.

No it can’t. Bogut was a significant negative on the series.

Not really a positive but better than his replacements!

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Rk            Player   MP  TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG%  ORtg  DRtg GmSc
8       Andrew Bogut   60 .471 .471 18.0 11.5 14.5  8.3  1.7 13.9 22.7 16.8    92    98  3.3
9       Festus Ezeli   61 .322 .300 12.7 11.6 12.4  7.7  0.9  1.3  8.4 17.9    81   109  0.9
12   Anderson Varejo   41 .344 .000 17.3  6.3 11.2 20.8  1.2  0.0 16.4 13.3   101   119  0.8



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[SeniorWalker]

What cost the warriors the 2016 finals was the disappearance of their interior defense and rim protection after game 4. Up to that point, LeBron had a relatively hard time just getting to the rim because he had multiple defenders stripping at the balland had to finish on a big 7 footer.
I remember watching with my family and after bogut went down, I knew the tide of the series would instantly change. The lane was wide open for LeBron to create drive and kick offense and Tristan to control offensive rebounds.

Steph was also thrown out of game 6 for 2-3 bull fouls, when up to that point in his career he had Literally never fouled out of a game before. I generally dont think NBA games are fixed but...I honestly believe the league called that one in Haha.

The warriors let the Cavs build momentum and took their foot off the gas a little, but the entire defensive dynamic changed after game 4 and the cavs offense opened up. Essentially two different series. The warriors healthy were stomping on the Cavs neck before that, waiting for the match to be called.

So if the warriors win game 5, Steph's peak already gets him consideration for top 10 ever in 2016.

[Clyde Frazier]

What cost the warriors the 2016 finals was the disappearance of their interior defense and rim protection after game 4. Up to that point, LeBron had a relatively hard time just getting to the rim because he had multiple defenders stripping at the balland had to finish on a big 7 footer.
I remember watching with my family and after bogut went down, I knew the tide of the series would instantly change. The lane was wide open for LeBron to create drive and kick offense and Tristan to control offensive rebounds.

Steph was also thrown out of game 6 for 2-3 bull fouls, when up to that point in his career he had Literally never fouled out of a game before. I generally dont think NBA games are fixed but...I honestly believe the league called that one in Haha.

The warriors let the Cavs build momentum and took their foot off the gas a little, but the entire defensive dynamic changed after game 4 and the cavs offense opened up. Essentially two different series. The warriors healthy were stomping on the Cavs neck before that, waiting for the match to be called.

So if the warriors win game 5, Steph's peak already gets him consideration for top 10 ever in 2016.

What cost the warriors the 2016 finals was Draymond not being able to control himself and getting himself suspended.

[SeniorWalker]

What cost the warriors the 2016 finals was the disappearance of their interior defense and rim protection after game 4. Up to that point, LeBron had a relatively hard time just getting to the rim because he had multiple defenders stripping at the balland had to finish on a big 7 footer.
I remember watching with my family and after bogut went down, I knew the tide of the series would instantly change. The lane was wide open for LeBron to create drive and kick offense and Tristan to control offensive rebounds.

Steph was also thrown out of game 6 for 2-3 bull fouls, when up to that point in his career he had Literally never fouled out of a game before. I generally dont think NBA games are fixed but...I honestly believe the league called that one in Haha.

The warriors let the Cavs build momentum and took their foot off the gas a little, but the entire defensive dynamic changed after game 4 and the cavs offense opened up. Essentially two different series. The warriors healthy were stomping on the Cavs neck before that, waiting for the match to be called.

So if the warriors win game 5, Steph's peak already gets him consideration for top 10 ever in 2016.

What cost the warriors the 2016 finals was Draymond not being able to control himself and getting himself suspended.

That too. Although what Draymond did hardly deserved a suspension. LeBron literally walked over dude purposely teabagging him....and then publicly campaigned for Draymond's suspension. Draymond just reacted very naturally honestly. I dont know any circumstance where a normal guy doesnt immediately, strongly react to that. The league probably thought, "eh might as well make up for the Adam's nutshot" but in and of itself it was not a worthy call.

Really rubbed me the wrong way, that move there.