Chinese Basketball Association announce that they will cut off all cooperation with the Houston Rockets

[picc]

I stand with Daryl, because I see his tweet inciting real positive change in China.

[Higgs Boston]

This doesn't make sense, Rockets owner already said morey doesn't speak for the rockets.

[letsgorockets]

Those are the politically sensitive categories in America.

Hong Kong is politically sensitive in China.

The NBA is a global game.

You're right, but lots of other places have reasonably sensitive beliefs we don't conform to. Should NBA players and front office staff face penalties for speaking in defense of same sex marriage? Cause I'm pretty sure that's not popular in alot the Middle East/Africa. If a player or front office member publicly supports NATO, pretty sure that's not popular in Russia or many former Soviet block countries. Should that person face punishment? The NBA has a global reach, but it's a sport born and based in America, and it should be flavored by American sensibilities. Feel free to disagree, just remember the stance you took when someone on the team you root for says something mildly offensive to some fat flung dictatorship, and that dictatorship makes the team you root for, and league you support, it's bitch.

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If the NBA want to cultivate foreign fanbases, then it has to cater to foreign sensibilities.

By the way, many Chinese view Hong Kong independence similarly to how Americans view Confederate secession.

Except the south was fighting to keep people enslaved, and Hong Kong is fighting to just be left alone to live freely, so anyone who wants to falsely equivocate those things can **** right off. I'm not a moron, and you'd have to be to fall for that "both sides" bs. And the NBA isn't asking the places it's expanding to, too change for them. They're saying here's this sport, would you like to watch it? What right does the country watching the sport have to change the beliefs or ideas of those playing or administrating it? I'll answer that for you, none! They have no such right, unless you bend over and give the right to tell you what's ok to say or think.

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[Jim Naismith]

I stand with Daryl, because I see his tweet inciting real positive change in China.

No, Daryl Morey is perceived as an arrogant white man.

[dc]

This doesn't make sense, Rockets owner already said morey doesn't speak for the rockets.

That might not be enough for the CBA/China. Wouldn't be surprised if they try to make Silver/Fertitta force a formal apology out of Morey.

[Jim Naismith]

You're right, but lots of other places have reasonably sensitive beliefs we don't conform to. Should NBA players and front office staff face penalties for speaking in defense of same sex marriage? Cause I'm pretty sure that's not popular in alot the Middle East/Africa. If a player or front office member publicly supports NATO, pretty sure that's not popular in Russia or many former Soviet block countries. Should that person face punishment? The NBA has a global reach, but it's a sport born and based in America, and it should be flavored by American sensibilities. Feel free to disagree, just remember the stance you took when someone on the team you root for says something mildly offensive to some fat flung dictatorship, and that dictatorship makes the team you root for, and league you support, it's bitch.

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If the NBA want to cultivate foreign fanbases, then it has to cater to foreign sensibilities.

By the way, many Chinese view Hong Kong independence similarly to how Americans view Confederate secession.

Except the south was fighting to keep people enslaved, and Hong Kong is fighting to just be left alone to live freely, so anyone who wants to falsely equivocate those things can **** right off. I'm not a moron, and you'd have to be to fall for that "both sides" bs. And the NBA isn't asking the places it's expanding to, too change for them. They're saying here's this sport, would you like to watch it? What right does the country watching the sport have to change the beliefs or ideas of those playing or administrating it? I'll answer that for you, none! They have no such right, unless you bend over and give the right to tell you what's ok to say or think.

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Chinese view Hong Kong independence as a racist secessionist movement, akin to the Confederacy.

Also, Chinese companies aren't censoring Morey, they're boycotting him.

By the way, the word "equivocate" doesn't mean what you think it means.

[Clyde Frazier]

Throwing your GM publicly under the bus, when you could've just told him privately to delete the tweet, means you suck as an owner.

That's a Dolan move

Right. Even if you agree what morey did was wrong, it's been handled SO poorly by the owner. He should've put out a press release and don't engage on social media at all. So stupid. Very curious to see how the NBA will handle this.

[zimpy27]

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What a world we live in.

[JeepCSC]

Morey is the hero of the piece. If the NBA wants to be morally bankrupt, they’ll stay silent. If they want to be morally despicable, they’ll take China’s side.

[WarriorGM]

Throwing your GM publicly under the bus, when you could've just told him privately to delete the tweet, means you suck as an owner.

That's a Dolan move

Right. Even if you agree what morey did was wrong, it's been handled SO poorly by the owner. He should've put out a press release and don't engage on social media at all. So stupid. Very curious to see how the NBA will handle this.

I don't see the difference between Fertitta contradicting Morey on social media or issuing a press release. They amount to the same thing. Handling it completely behind closed doors to minimize the attention to it and hoping it would blow over would have been the alternative. I don't see why the NBA needs to formally comment on an individual's possible views that was quickly deleted. It will raise hackles either way.

[dc]

I stand with Daryl, because I see his tweet inciting real positive change in China.

Ehhh, I don't see much change coming out of this (I'm born in China, moved to the US at a very young age, FWIW). They don't necessarily think as we do. China is a different culture with different values. They're going to be more sensitive to some issues that we don't think much of while not caring much about things that we seemingly spend all day debating about.

Their values/culture could indeed "evolve" over time into more western style thinking, but it be would slow and take generations.

For now they value stability above all else, which for all intents and purposes the CCP has given them. Before the CCP, China was just a very large but fragmented and struggling country. Now they've lifted a lot of people out of poverty. They have infrastructure, technology, spending power and roofs over their heads. Given where they were about 60 years ago, that's all that really matters to them.

More western values (liberalism, debate, social justice, acceptance/integration of different cultures, etc...) don't mean a whole lot to them at this time, especially given how homogeneous the population is.

They see stability of the state as #1 above all else, and they trust the government to ensure it. They see things such as "Taiwan Independence" or this Hong Kong stuff as an affront to that stability and possible slippery slope. They perceive those things as a bunch of foreign influence trying to weaken them and take them down.

[letsgorockets]

If the NBA want to cultivate foreign fanbases, then it has to cater to foreign sensibilities.

By the way, many Chinese view Hong Kong independence similarly to how Americans view Confederate secession.

Except the south was fighting to keep people enslaved, and Hong Kong is fighting to just be left alone to live freely, so anyone who wants to falsely equivocate those things can **** right off. I'm not a moron, and you'd have to be to fall for that "both sides" bs. And the NBA isn't asking the places it's expanding to, too change for them. They're saying here's this sport, would you like to watch it? What right does the country watching the sport have to change the beliefs or ideas of those playing or administrating it? I'll answer that for you, none! They have no such right, unless you bend over and give the right to tell you what's ok to say or think.

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Chinese view Hong Kong independence as a racist secessionist movement, akin to the Confederacy.

By the way, Chinese companies aren't censoring Morey, they're boycotting him.

By the way, the word "equivocate" doesn't mean what you think it means.

And the south viewed the north challenging their right to own people as northern aggression, does that mean they were right? Do you support the south pov on the Civil War? I'm sure the Chinese are very angry and frustrated that there's a population of people in their country that haven't been able to subjugate and beat to submission yet. But just because the have a point of view doesn't mean it's a respectable one, and not every point of view is worthy of being considered, or respected. If the best argument you can propose is that, much like the confederacy, China has a warped pov on their attempts to belittle and dominate a populous of people, then I guess all I can say is **** China's opinion, they're wrong, period. And so was the confederacy, so a retroactive **** them, and their opinion, for them as well.

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[Jim Naismith]

Except the south was fighting to keep people enslaved, and Hong Kong is fighting to just be left alone to live freely, so anyone who wants to falsely equivocate those things can **** right off. I'm not a moron, and you'd have to be to fall for that "both sides" bs. And the NBA isn't asking the places it's expanding to, too change for them. They're saying here's this sport, would you like to watch it? What right does the country watching the sport have to change the beliefs or ideas of those playing or administrating it? I'll answer that for you, none! They have no such right, unless you bend over and give the right to tell you what's ok to say or think.

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Chinese view Hong Kong independence as a racist secessionist movement, akin to the Confederacy.

By the way, Chinese companies aren't censoring Morey, they're boycotting him.

By the way, the word "equivocate" doesn't mean what you think it means.

And the south viewed the north challenging their right to own people as northern aggression, does that mean they were right? Do you support the south pov on the Civil War? I'm the Chinese are very angry and frustrated that there's a population of people in their country that haven't been able to subjugate and beat to submission yet. But just because the have a point of view doesn't mean it's a respectable one, and not every point of view is worthy of being considered, or respected. If the best argument you can propose is that, much like the confederacy, China has a warped pov on their attempts to belittle and dominate a populous of people, then I guess all I can say is **** China's opinion, they're wrong, period. And so was the confederacy, so a retroactive **** them, and their opinion, for them as well.

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No you don't get the analogy here.

Unionist North = mainland

Secessionist South = Hong Kong


What Morey did was by supporting Hong Kong independence is the Chinese equivalent of waving the Confederate flag.

[no dice]

Just Freedom Fighters fighting for Freedom you know. Look how free they are. Please support their cause.

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Before war broke out, liberty-loving American patriots in Boston fought for their freedom by pouring hot tar onto the naked body of a customs official whose offense was trying to collect legally mandated import fees. HKers seem incredibly gentle by comparison.

I will call it pretty even



Dude, the man in the first pic is a cab driver who deliberately drove his car to the protestors, which cost a 23 year old girl to break both of her legs. The guy got what he deserved if not too little since the police ain't pressing charges on anyone who are against the protestors. And there are many agent provocateurs and fabricated news about the whole thing which makes citizens real upset. Often pictures don't tell the whole story
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[Clyde Frazier]

Throwing your GM publicly under the bus, when you could've just told him privately to delete the tweet, means you suck as an owner.

That's a Dolan move

Right. Even if you agree what morey did was wrong, it's been handled SO poorly by the owner. He should've put out a press release and don't engage on social media at all. So stupid. Very curious to see how the NBA will handle this.

I don't see the difference between Fertitta contradicting Morey on social media or issuing a press release. They amount to the same thing. Handling it completely behind closed doors to minimize the attention to it and hoping it would blow over would have been the alternative. I don't see why the NBA needs to formally comment on an individual's possible views that was quickly deleted. It will raise hackles either way.

Not about NBA commenting on Morey. China is a huge market for the NBA and the rockets specifically have a connection to China. This already happened:

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[letsgorockets]

Chinese view Hong Kong independence as a racist secessionist movement, akin to the Confederacy.

By the way, Chinese companies aren't censoring Morey, they're boycotting him.

By the way, the word "equivocate" doesn't mean what you think it means.

And the south viewed the north challenging their right to own people as northern aggression, does that mean they were right? Do you support the south pov on the Civil War? I'm the Chinese are very angry and frustrated that there's a population of people in their country that haven't been able to subjugate and beat to submission yet. But just because the have a point of view doesn't mean it's a respectable one, and not every point of view is worthy of being considered, or respected. If the best argument you can propose is that, much like the confederacy, China has a warped pov on their attempts to belittle and dominate a populous of people, then I guess all I can say is **** China's opinion, they're wrong, period. And so was the confederacy, so a retroactive **** them, and their opinion, for them as well.

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No you don't get the analogy here.

Unionist North = mainland

Secessionist South = Hong Kong

No, you don't get it. That's the view of mainland China. Of course they think they're the good guy, but they aren't. Like I said, **** them and their opinion. They're the ****, and nearly everyone but then sees it that way. They're awful people, and no one should be making capitulations to them. They will for the almighty dollar, but that doesn't make it right and doesn't mean their view of this conflict is right. They're wrong, giving in to their bull is wrong, and it dosen't matter because they have lots of money. Luckily I'll be long dead by the time spineless, feckless iGeneration/millenial "but they have an opinion too" cowards give away every freedom they have, even free speech, in the name of "fairness" and not wanting to offend.

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[WarriorGM]

Right. Even if you agree what morey did was wrong, it's been handled SO poorly by the owner. He should've put out a press release and don't engage on social media at all. So stupid. Very curious to see how the NBA will handle this.

I don't see the difference between Fertitta contradicting Morey on social media or issuing a press release. They amount to the same thing. Handling it completely behind closed doors to minimize the attention to it and hoping it would blow over would have been the alternative. I don't see why the NBA needs to formally comment on an individual's possible views that was quickly deleted. It will raise hackles either way.

Not about NBA commenting on Morey. China is a huge market for the NBA and the rockets specifically have a connection to China. This already happened:

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I saw Fertitta's comment as a bid to head off the fallout. It seems to have already failed. There's not much left to do. Authoritarian regimes absolutely love trying to exert influence on international sports bodies. This will become a case of giving an inch and taking a mile if the NBA is not careful. The standard response of China in cases like Hong Kong and Xinjiang is that these are internal affairs that outsiders have no business interfering in. The NBA would be wise to adopt the same response if pressured.

[NeutralObserver]

People that say "keep politics out of business" are always interesting.

This has always had the undertone of "shut your mouth about human rights violations if the violators have money."

[sikma42]

How is he the hero? He makes some genric tweet about Hong Kong...then takes it down when his enployer asked him to. Nothing heroic about that at all. Just looks immature

Morey is the hero of the piece. If the NBA wants to be morally bankrupt, they’ll stay silent. If they want to be morally despicable, they’ll take China’s side.

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[Mikistan]

Chinese view Hong Kong independence as a racist secessionist movement, akin to the Confederacy.

By the way, Chinese companies aren't censoring Morey, they're boycotting him.

By the way, the word "equivocate" doesn't mean what you think it means.

And the south viewed the north challenging their right to own people as northern aggression, does that mean they were right? Do you support the south pov on the Civil War? I'm the Chinese are very angry and frustrated that there's a population of people in their country that haven't been able to subjugate and beat to submission yet. But just because the have a point of view doesn't mean it's a respectable one, and not every point of view is worthy of being considered, or respected. If the best argument you can propose is that, much like the confederacy, China has a warped pov on their attempts to belittle and dominate a populous of people, then I guess all I can say is **** China's opinion, they're wrong, period. And so was the confederacy, so a retroactive **** them, and their opinion, for them as well.

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No you don't get the analogy here.

Unionist North = mainland

Secessionist South = Hong Kong


What Morey did was by supporting Hong Kong independence is the Chinese equivalent of waving the Confederate flag.

Lmao